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DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:47 pm

I'm sure its an error, but the DL website shows the range of their 47's as 5,343 miles. The 67's are 6,408. What is the range of the 747 and which is their longest route (ATL-NRT?)
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:15 pm

Delta appears to assign random ranges to their aircraft.

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RE: DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:20 pm

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=100

No idea what their longest route is, ATL-NRT seems like a good bet.
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RE: DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:50 pm

Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?
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RE: DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:54 pm

The ATL-NAT flight is 6,850 miles. This is within the 744's range and is what they fly on that route. That number quoted by the OP isn't correct.

LAX to SYD uses a 77L that originates in ATL.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:55 pm

Someone can't convert between miles and kilometers because 5,343 miles is certainly not 11,853km. 11,853km is closer to the realistic range since that is 7,365sm, which is relatively close to the real range of a 747-400.
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:19 am

A lot of the aircraft data seems to be incorrect on DL.com currently, it's being fixed.

As for our 744 range; 7,365 miles at 100% load factor.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
I wish that DL's website and magazine would remove the specs for the various regional jets. These are not Delta aircraft, and they are not operated by Delta employees.

Although they are not operated by Delta, a fair number of them are Delta-owned.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:35 am

Currently it is operated by a 777 but the longest route, to date, operated by the 744 at DL is DTW-PVG at 7137mi versus ATL-NRT at only 6850mi.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:09 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
As for our 744 range; 7,365 miles at 100% load factor.

So that appears to be LAX-HKG. Come on, give it a try.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:26 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?

Nope, a 77L.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 1):

no kidding. I don't get why its so hard to get the info right.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
T7 for now.



Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):

would be the LR not a 747

[Edited 2012-08-09 14:16:13 by srbmod]
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:49 pm

Somewhere I have a manual to confirm but I believe DL (actually Northwest) deactivated the tail tanks of their 744s. That's around 20,000lbs of fuel capacity taken out.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Currently it is operated by a 777

I'm not completely sure if you were talking about the ATL-NRT route, but if you were, that route (at least for this week), is being operated by a 744 as per the DL flight schedule and FlightAware.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 18):
I'm not completely sure if you were talking about the ATL-NRT route, but if you were, that route (at least for this week), is being operated by a 744 as per the DL flight schedule and FlightAware.

He isn't. The way I read his comment is that the longest route ever operated by a DL 744 was DTW-PVG at 7137mi. Currently, it's operated by a 777, but it is/was the longest route that DL flies 744s on.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Currently it is operated by a 777 but the longest route, to date, operated by the 744 at DL is DTW-PVG at 7137mi versus ATL-NRT at only 6850mi.
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
Do they use a 74 on LAX-SYD?

Some DL 744s did once operate LAX-SYD nonstop during the fairly brief period in the early 1990s when NW operated LAX-SYD and JFK-KIX-SYD. I think those routes started in 1991.

JFK-KIX-SYD was dropped after the Japanese government complained that NW was carrying too much 5th freedom traffic KIX-SYD. LAX-SYD lasted a little longer. If memory correct it was only 2 or 3 days a week.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:41 pm

There was a rumor that LAX-SYD would shift to 744 once all the modifications were complete. I have my doubts that that's the best use of 744 capacity, but haven't heard anything about it recently.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
I have my doubts that that's the best use of 744 capacity, but haven't heard anything about it recently.

I agree. I'd be very surprised if we saw 744's in SYD any time soon given the relationship with VA. They'd be better off adding 777 flights to BNE or MEL in partnership with VA.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:32 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
Some DL 744s did once operate LAX-SYD nonstop during the fairly brief period in the early 1990s when NW operated LAX-SYD and JFK-KIX-SYD. I think those routes started in 1991.

JFK-KIX-SYD was dropped after the Japanese government complained that NW was carrying too much 5th freedom traffic KIX-SYD. LAX-SYD lasted a little longer. If memory correct it was only 2 or 3 days a week.

It was JFK-OSA-SYD, KIX did not exist at the time. And it was the Australian gov't that had a problem with it, and is why the route wasn't run via NRT.

LAX-SYD ran 3 weekly, while LAX-HNL-SYD ran 4 weekly on the days the nonstop didn't operate.

Timetable from 1992:
http://www.departedflights.com/NW121592p23.html
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:22 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):

would be the LR not a 747

[Edited 2012-08-09 14:16:13 by srbmod]

Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):
Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??

Only because CX can fill the plane, while DL would probably have trouble throwing a 744 straight at it...
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):
Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??

Yes.

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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):

I would expect LAX-SYD and ATL-GRU to go to the 747 once mods are done.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):

Pretty much. Delta 744s could fly it....but only if Delta wanted to burn money. Any Asia growth from LAX will be with 767/777 and 330.
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
Pretty much. Delta 744s could fly it....but only if Delta wanted to burn money. Any Asia growth from LAX will be with 767/777 and 330.

When You pull the 77L from SYD and replace it with the 744, please move the 77L to LAX-HKG. The 330's/767's won't make it. The seating density on the 777's is a bit slim (should be a 77W), but at least an American carrier would be in the market again.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 23):
The 330's/767's won't make it.

Heck, the MD-11s barely made it.
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 19):
Oh, so CX could run LAX-HKG with 744's but DL can't??

The problem for DL with LAX-HKG is that it's a nice 767/A332 route for them in terms of volume but the 767 and 332 don't have the range. The 777 (either E or L) and 747 have the range but that is too much capacity.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 4):
The ATL-NAT flight is 6,850 miles. This is within the 744's range and is what they fly on that route. That number quoted by the OP isn't correct.

Do they actually run this route? On a previous DL744 thread I hadn't seen that one listed.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 25):
The problem for DL with LAX-HKG is that it's a nice 767/A332 route for them in terms of volume but the 767 and 332 don't have the range. The 777 (either E or L) and 747 have the range but that is too much capacity.

When DL finally takes the 787s could they run the route with them?
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 25):
The 777 (either E or L) and 747 have the range but that is too much capacity.

The 777 is not too much capacity. If anything it's too little unless the front is full of paying pax. The fares in the market (low) require a dense capacity to make it worthwhile.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 27):
The 777 is not too much capacity. If anything it's too little unless the front is full of paying pax. The fares in the market (low) require a dense capacity to make it worthwhile.

Fair point... I should have said "too much airplane." If it had a dense enough config to make the route worthwhile, it would be too much capacity.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
When DL finally takes the 787s could they run the route with them?

I wouldn't be one bit surprised. A 2020 787-8 should be able to handle that route quite nicely.
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
I wouldn't be one bit surprised. A 2020 787-8 should be able to handle that route quite nicely.

You really think the world is still going to be in existence by 2020?  
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
As for our 744 range; 7,365 miles at 100% load factor.

How about DTW-Nogoya? I flew that segment in June. One hell of a long flight......
 
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RE: DL 744 Range

Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 30):
How about DTW-Nogoya? I flew that segment in June. One hell of a long flight......

It's about 6,552 miles.

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