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Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:23 pm

The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo. 3x weekly to DEN starting Nov 16 on Airbus aircraft. That could be a good route. I like their expansion plans lately, sure has been interesting times for them for sure.


http://media.frontierairlines.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5379
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:29 pm

Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?

Currently UA is using Expressjet ERJ-145s on both FAR-DEN and FAR ORD. Skywest CRJ-200s and 700s have also been used, E170/175s have not ever been scheduled into FAR as far as I know.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:38 pm

Sweet! I look forward to using this service. North Dakota's really heating up!
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):

The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo.

Actually I think this makes the third stint for Fargo on Frontier's route map. FAR was one of the destinations on 737s when Frontier was doing the underserved cities thing when they first started, then the Lynx Dash 8 service and now this.

The original Frontier also served FAR for quite a while.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):

I think this route may work quite well. UA does this flight like crazy! Last few times I've flow from ORD-DEN, it's been cheaper to go ORD-FAR and then FAR-DEN.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:54 pm

Sounds like a disaster, but it'd be a decent way to squeeze a MCO turn into FAR.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:56 pm

Interesting expansion coming from F9... GSO, TTN, and now FAR...
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):

Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?

How is that clause written? Currently Shuttle America flies for United on the DFW route. Also, the Republic Airlines Q400 flights will colette with Frontier on several routes.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:57 pm

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 8):
How is that clause written? Currently Shuttle America flies for United on the DFW route. Also, the Republic Airlines Q400 flights will colette with Frontier on several routes.

There is a grandfather clause that if F9 and UA both operated the route before RAH acquired F9, F9 and UA (RW/S5) can both continue to operate the route. If F9 wants to start a route that is currently only served by UA (on RW/S5 equipment), they can't.

The restriction only applies to United Express operated by RW and S5 from DEN; Frontier is free to launch DEN routes served only by other UAX carriers (OO/EV, YV, etc.)
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):
The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo. 3x weekly to DEN starting Nov 16 on Airbus aircraft. That could be a good route. I like their expansion plans lately, sure has been interesting times for them for sure.

Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:55 pm

F9 served FAR with Airbus for a while, this was probably upwards of 8 or 9 years ago now, and I'm assuming A319 equipment.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:51 am

I give it 3 months and they will be gone.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.

Business folk may not like it but I doubt snowbirds will care, as long as it gets them someplace warm.

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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):

Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.

Try four times daily service by UA, at least during the summer. I think it will be tough, but I hope F9 finds some success nonetheless.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 11):
F9 served FAR with Airbus for a while, this was probably upwards of 8 or 9 years ago now, and I'm assuming A319 equipment.

I don't believe the Airbus was ever scheduled into FAR, but it was one of the original 737 markets back when they launched in the mid-90's.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting c152driver (Reply 14):
Try four times daily service by UA, at least during the summer. I think it will be tough, but I hope F9 finds some success nonetheless.

Well, they're still flying daily to FSD and UA has more capacity on that route than on DEN-FAR, including a daily A320 flight. It helps that they're one of the (very) few LCCs in these markets. Only LCC competition is the always-less-than-daily G4 service.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:35 am

I agree with FSDan, I'm from FSD also and does FAR have more pax flying in/out than FSD? if close or less, why A319 while F9 brings the E's here.

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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:10 pm

In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:42 pm

I'm interested to see how this does. If it works, I bet we could see F9 start other small heartland markets with less than daily Airbus service from DEN. The likes of EUG, FAT, FCA, MFR, MLI, MSO, PSC, and perhaps even RAP, LNK, GJT, FLG, etc. come to mind as distinctive possibilities. Obviously they won't have to worry about WN competition, but in most cases they will have to contend with an established UA/UAX presence, not to mention nonstop G4 flights from many such markets to the main tourist draws of Vegas, Arizona, and SoCal.

They'll be adding service just in time for the folks in Western states to get home to Eastern North Dakota and Northwestern Minnesota for the Thanksgiving holidays, and then the service will be a very attractive option for the locals to flee the harsh winter. G4 can only get them to Phoenix, Vegas, LA, and Orlando; F9 offers additional options like Mexico, Costa Rica, New Orleans, Florida's Gold Coast, etc. Not to mention the fact that the hardy North Dakotans that can't get enough of the snow may just want to visit Colorado itself for the skiing! I think it might just work; certainly the A319 will offer a vastly superior product to the pithy UAX RJs. F9 can probably draw enough leisure and VFR travelers on its own, leaving most biz pax for UA and DL, unlike their stint a few years ago where they were trying to serve the market in a big way...
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 17):
In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.

Until the oil boom goes bust they are very sustainable.
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 7):

Interesting expansion coming from F9... GSO, TTN, and now FAR...

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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:14 pm

F9 is starting to sound like the American version of TK with their "slightly odd" destination announcements  

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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 12):
I give it 3 months and they will be gone.

Probably..... and then they'll just quit this route again and go back to ICT again......

 

Whatever F9 is doing here, just so long as they keep the $$$$ positive, it's fine. And if adding a route here or there, or pulling a route here or there results in overall positive cash into F9, then keep doing what has to be done for this.

I like the idea that F9 is looking and going into markets where there are most likely incentives, as well as limited competition where F9 can build its product. Of course some may not work, but for those that do, I think that these will be markets F9 is showing itself a niche carrier, and will prove a well worth investment.

The fact that F9 is finally generating positive $$$$ is fantastic news considering the rough start it had after BK. And going forward, hopefully F9 will realize its strengths and weaknesses, and will focus on being profitable while making pax comfortable and happy with the product.

  
 
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RE: Frontier Announces Fargo

Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting stburke (Reply 17):
In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Until the oil boom goes bust they are very sustainable.

Only the MOT (and ISN) adds are oil-related. BIS could be either way, but GFK and FAR are nowhere near the oil boom. They are landing service based on their own merits - namely, extremely healthy economies and growing populations.

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