|Quoting AirGabon (Reply 2):|
Instead they should keep the current AF mainline operations from CDG and to operate from ORY with Transavia B738 by adding flights to various destinations such as BCN, IST, MAD, ATH, CMN, FCO, TXL, LIS etc.
|Quoting runway23 (Reply 4):|
The goal according to the article is to use the A320s that fly domestic in the morning and evening, but do not fly much during the middle of the day (I rather read this to say - flying very unprofitably during the middle of the day). Air France plans to launch flights between the morning and evening domestic wave. It seems this would also result in one less flight from CDG, during the middle of the day, to the destinations they would serve from ORY.
Of course this doesn't leave much as choice and the routes will probably end up being:
-high leisure oriented routes
-routed with a lot of demand but not much high yield. Thus quite price sensitive
-Not addressing the fact that AF's costs are way above any other European carrier.
-Reducing the attractiveness of their existing domestic shuttle flights as the number of flights will be further reduced, as the slots have to come from somewhere.
-Reducing the attractiveness of their CDG hub. As it will lead to longer transfer times between flights that will be split between ORY and CDG, less opportunity to hop onto an earlier flight and potentially lower yield.
-Poor marketing by AF to clearly define and communicate what their European product offers, though this is a network wide problem, not only limited to potential venture from ORY.
Whilst the idea isn't bad, due to the above and most importantly AF's high costs, this will probably have the same outcome as their various failed attempts from MRS, NCE, TLS. That is to say, will last a few months then be discontinued.
|Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 5):|
Perfect points. AF should know better not to split its main base and reduce connectivity for cities like ATH, IST, MOW... These cities get around 3-4 dailies, which is not so many that moving one or two to ORY will not be felt. In my opinion, multiple airport operations from a single city only work if markets are really segregated. BA can manage LGW with leisure traffic and LCY with a very limited focus on business oriented O&D traffic. And there aren't that many other examples to mention.
|Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):|
Concerning TRANSAVIA, the "deal" with AF is clear : TRANSAVIA FRANCE clearly oriented toward the "leisure market" and is not allowed to operate flights to destinations already served by AF
|Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):|
AF has already started Europe fights from ORY 2 or 3 years to BCN (3 x Daily operated by Brit'Air ) and LIN (3 x Daily operated by AZ)
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