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Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:22 pm

Milk Run is an American colloquialism for a route that has many stops. Before aircraft had the legs to traverse half the globe non-stop there were many international "milk runs". The inspiration for this topic was a recent topic about LH and its FRA-SYD run which made numerous stops along the way. Apparently for the crews it was a three week gig.

So, I am interested in any stories, photos etc. that we might have about the nostalgic days of the international milk run.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:08 pm

I myself flew Ozark from Peoria to MSP via CID/ALO/RST. And Ozark from Peoria to LGA via CMI and IAD. Also flew Ozark from PIA to MCI via SPI/STL/COU. Sometimes a connection but there ya go. Oh and PIA to TPA via IND and BNA.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:32 pm

National Airlines(Sun King) was famous for milk runs between Miami and New York and Boston stopping in various cities in Florida,then Savanah,Charleston SC,Norfolk. and in the Florida Panhandle JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY-IAH.
Pan Am's Houston to Central America. IAH-MEX-GTL-SAL-MGA-SJO-PTY. That came to an end when Pan Am retired their Boeing 707-321Bs in 1980.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:41 pm

While not international...In the mid and late 70's UA ran a 727 on always a FWA-SBN-DEN route..then the variable always kicked in..was it a DEN-BOI or whatever...For a period one of those winters it was a true milk run..FWA-SBN-DEN_BOI-GEG-SEA. I actuall knew some folk that took it to SEA as they did not like making connections at DEN in the winter..so they got to enjoy a few extra take-offs and landings enroute. An Anutters dream flight of sorts!
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting flylku (Thread starter):
Milk Run is an American colloquialism for a route that has many stops

From departedflights.com

Delta Oct27, 1974 sked.

DL1183, L-1011, BOS-EWR-CLT-ATL-MSY-DFW-SFO.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:53 pm

reflecting a moment...check out the early-mid-70's Delta flight itineraries on departed flights website..some 72s and D9S had as many as 7 segments on a single routing. Yup..back in the days when Jet-A was 20-45 cents a gallon.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:04 am

While stationed in Missouri I remember flying home to NC on this routing:

MCI-LIT-BHM-MEM-ATL-GSP-CLT on a military confirmed fare of less

than $50.00.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:05 am

Once flew UAL 737-222 (brand new) in the late 60's from BAL to PIT. I think the flight continued to YNG, CLE, DTW, either FWA or SBN, then ORD.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:21 am

Air Canada September 9, 1985 System Timetable
AC166 D9S YXE»YWG»YQG»YXU»YOW»YUL»YSJ
Food service between YXE»YWG, YWG»YQG, and YUL»YSJ
next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:42 am

Decades before moving to Texas, as a kid, my family and I often flew to Dallas and Houston from our home in Minneapolis. I recall many 'milk runs' one that stands out for whatever reason was a trip to Houston on Braniff. Starting from MSP we were routed to OMA, MCI, DAL and into HOU circa 1971 starting off on a 707 to Love Filed and,switching to a 727 while at DAL.

There were so many, that I can not recall the routes some 40+ years hence, but many stops.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:11 am

Back in the day, BWIA (old BW) did many milk run services in the Caribbean. Their KIN and MIA routes popularly served many islands. For example, on the Jamaica run BW at one time did POS - BGI - ANU - SJU - KIN. Interestingly, when they started the Jamaica ops in the 1940s the plane would call at SDQ (then Ciudad Trujillo) on request! Later on the destination mix changed several times, with MIA tagged on beyond KIN (done on behalf of JM), then later SXM added as an alternative to ANU and some flights stopping in PAP (again on behalf of JM). In the 1990s BW dropped PAP and SJU and the flights became 5 weekly POS - BGI - ANU - KIN and 2 weekly POS - BGI - SXM - KIN. Later that decade some flights continued beyond POS to either TAB or GEO. I flew on the routes in the 1990s configuration several times and notably did KIN - SXM - ANU - BGI - POS in 2000 as BW combined 2 POS - KIN flights scheduled for that day and JM, on whom I was originally booked, cancelled their at that time daily KIN - BGI - POS service. Nowadays new BW, Caribbean Airlines, fly KIN via one or other of BGI, SXM and ANU and occasionally nonstop from POS.

The MIA runs circa late 1980s included POS - TAB - GND - UVF - ANU - MIA! I flew from POS to UVF on these services in 1988. By the following year TAB did not feature on the run but the others did - I went to MIA that year. BW had other MIA flights with one stop, the stop being either AUA or BGI. Nowadays all services by new BW to MIA run nonstop from POS - there are also daily flights to FLL, also nonstop.

One thing about these milk runs is what a great geography lesson they were, as you got to see the island chain along the way. With a little experience you could point out the capitals and other towns on each island and occasionally some major geographical features. Along the way I thus often got to see the French islands which I have not had the opportunity to visit. Also, in the old days BW would allow passengers off the plane at one or other stop and this was an opportunity to check out the duty-free shops or just stretch your legs. On a flight from POS to KIN in 1999 I thus got off the plane in both BGI and ANU, making that the only day I have ever set foot in 4 countries in 1 day! BGI's duty free did well with the intransit passengers and facilitated them by having some of the shops virtually next to the doors the intransits entered the lounge by. Nowadays alas one cannot disembark at intransit stops given the security checks which have to be done on board (luggage identification and all that).

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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:23 am

In the early 90's I flew a SAHSA 737-200 on a ADZ-TGU-SAP-BZE-MIA routing. That was cool. Never had the chance to do a milk run again.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:34 am

When I worked for DL at ORD in the 70s, we had a "milk run" flight that ran LIT-STL-ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-BGR-PWM all on a DC9-14......
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 12):

The ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-BGR-PWM portion was inherited when Delta bought Northeast Airlines.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:39 am

Too many to count US domestic. In the 70s, my 2 favorite trips were PSA's Valley Queen LAX-FAT-SCK-SFO. And I took a Hughes Airwest RW F27 LAX-IPL-YUM-PHX were I connected to Frontier 737 PHX-TUS-ABQ-DEN...all for the price of a nonstop Y fare LAX-DEN of $88.00. Those were the days!

I did a few to Mexico in the 80s: Aero Mexico LAX-HMO-CEN-GDL-MEX and Mexicana LAX-MZT-SJD-GDL-MEX.

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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:41 am

The milk run is still a common occurrence up here in Alaska... many of the routes have remained unchanged for the past 35+ years. Some of the ones that still run are
AS 62: FAI-ANC-JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA
AS 64: ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA
AS 66: ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA
I've never flown the whole run on any of the flights, as I live in the middle, but I flew JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA last year and JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA a number of years ago. I really enjoy all the landings and takeoffs at the little airports, it's great fun.  
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:43 am

How about some modern day Milk Runs?
QF , QF2366/2314 BNE-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS F100/DH8-300
UA, UA172 GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL B738

so i guess it still happens
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:55 am

I loved all those milk runs airlines used to do.

Here are two of my favorites...

NC: MSP-LSE-MSN-MKE-ORD-GRR-DTW and back. You could take a CV-580 or DC-9.

SO: MDW-MEM-GLH-MLU-BTR-MSY.

Many of Braniff's milk runs were the old Mid Continent airlines routes. Such as OMA-MKC-TUL-FSM-SHV-MSY.

Another of DL's were ORD-STL-LIT-SHV-DAL.

And back in the days before deregulation you could create your own routings and even switch airlines with no additional fare increase. It was a lot of fun doing that.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:27 am

National ran MIA-FMY-SRQ-TPA-MCO-DAB-JAX with 727s until the late 1970s - six legs, all in the state of Florida!
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:52 am

TWA used to have a route which went LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK-HKG-TPE-OKA-GUM-HNL-LAX. Around the world service with a 707.


Western Airlines used to have a route that went GTF-HLN-BTM-IDA-PIH-SLC. A total of 424 NM for 5 segments. It was flown twice a day in each direction on a 737. During the summer they added a stop at WYS between BTM and IDA.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:54 am

I think this one must just about beat them all!

This is from a Qantas Airways 1939 timetable with the service being operated by a Short S.23 Empire class flying boat. The trip took 10 days with 9 night stops at the places marked * -

Sydney to Brisbane, Gladstone, *Townsville, Karumba, Groot Eylandt, *Darwin, Koepang, *Sourabaya, Batavia, Singapore, *Penang, Bangkok, Rangoon, Akyab, *Calcutta, Allalabad, Gwalior, Raj Samand, *Karachi, Dubai, Bahrain, *Basra, Habbaniyeh, Tiberias, *Alexandria, Athens, Brindisi, Rome, *Marseilles, Southampton - 30 stops all up!

The trip operated 3 times a week from Sydney departing on Tues, Thurs and Sat. And to think we get upset these days with SYD-SIN-LHR or SYD-LAX-LHR which are achieved in around 24 hours!!!!
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:43 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 16):
How about some modern day Milk Runs?
QF , QF2366/2314 BNE-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS F100/DH8-300

There was also QF2307 (not sure what the corresponding northbound flight number is) that was CNS-TSV-MKY-ROK-GLT-BNE, typically on a DH8-300. I flew on the ROK-GLT-BNE sectors of the route on 20 December 2008. Was a nifty 20 or 25 minute leg from ROK to GLT followed by a longer 1hr 15minute sector from GLT. Was seated in seat 1B for the flight and had a wonderful chat to one of 2 flight attendants working the flight.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:33 am

I remember being booked by my company on QF from London to Sydney in about 1974 when as far as I remember the routing was LHR/BDA/NAS/MEX/LAX/HHL/SYD, on a 707. It was a long journey and left me with an abiding dislike for whoever in our London office had routed me this way.I remember it took me almost a week to recover,
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:39 am

That was the "Fiesta" route and IIRC it was LHR-BDA-NAS-MEX-ACA-PPT-SYD.

BTW - the term "milk run" or "haelt an jeder Milchkanne" (stops at each milk can" is almost as old as railroading., where it comes from.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:44 am

the only milk run i've been on is the Island Hopper from Gum-Hnl via TKK, KSA, PNI, KWA, and MAJ. I may have the order wrong slightly, but it's an interesting yet grueling 14 hour trip on a 737-800. I realized on that trip how good the short field performance of the 737-800 really it, it's got alot of power to get off those short runways. I can remember when CO used to operate 727-200s on that trip. That must have been quite the experience flying into those tiny little airports on the 727.

Everytime I look at WN's current schedules I think WN should offer some kind of Milk Run fare where if you're willing to fly the whole route from start to finish, you get something like 5 or 10 percent off of full fare per leg flown, so if you fly a 10 leg trip, you get 50 percent off the equivalent full fare. The catch would be, if you get off somewhere in the middle, you'd be charged the full fare.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:59 am

PI used to run routes back in the early to mid-80's like:

ATL-AVL-TRI-ROA-ORD

DAB-JAX-CLT-AVL-LEX-ORD

ORD-CRW-DCA-GSO-CLT-CAE

PI used to run alot of milk routes
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:12 pm

Interesting post. Were there more 'Fifth Freedom' segments then than now? For instance, let us consider the quoted TWA routing LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK-HKG-TPE-OKA-GUM-HNL-LAX. Did all the PAX either originate or finish in the US? Could a French passenger do ORY.../...BOM?
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:17 pm

Air Canada use to have two flights AC 166 and AC 167. They were D9S that flew all the way across Canada. Something like

YYT-YHZ-YUL-YOW-YWG-YXE-YEG-YYJ

I might be wrong on the exact routing, but it was similar to that.

Ozark had a DEN-LGA flight that went: DEN-SUX-PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 26):
Interesting post. Were there more 'Fifth Freedom' segments then than now? For instance, let us consider the quoted TWA routing LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK-HKG-TPE-OKA-GUM-HNL-LAX. Did all the PAX either originate or finish in the US? Could a French passenger do ORY.../...BOM?

On the TWA and PA round the world flights passengers could buy any part of the route they wanted. IF Paris to Bombay is your route then that is what your ticket was for.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:58 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 23):
That was the "Fiesta" route and IIRC it was LHR-BDA-NAS-MEX-ACA-PPT-SYD

You forgot NAN - it was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR - and it was apparently Qantas flight 581.

In addition to the Fiesta Route, there was the Wallaby Route to South Africa -

SYD-PER-CCK-MRU-JNB.

(CCK = Cocos (Keeling) Islands - an Australian Indian Ocean territory).

It was called the Wallaby Route because it was always "hopping around". The last Qantas hull loss crash was at MRU in 1960 when a Super Constellation went off the runway.

The famous Kangaroo Route from Sydney to London, was inaugerated in 1947 with the Constellation and was -

SYD-DRW-SIN-CCU-KHI-CAI-TIP-LHR.

The Southern Cross route was across the Pacific Ocean to the USA - SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO.

Also, in 1958, Qantas started its around the world service with Super Constellations -

MEL-NAN-HNL-SFO-IDL-LHR-CIA-ATH-KHI-DEL-BKK-SIN-HLP-PER-MEL-SYD

(IDL = JFK, HLP = Halim Airport in Jakarta).
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:39 pm

Here are some interesting milk-runs that LAN Chile flew in the past.

During the 1970's LAN Chile flew:
SCL-ANF-LIM-CLO-PTY-MIA B727
MVD-EZE-SCL-LIM-GYE-PTY-MIA B727
GIG-EZE-SCL-LIM-PTY-MIA-JFK B727
EZE-SCL-LIM-MIA-JFK B707
SCL-IPC-PPT-NAN B707

During 1980's LAN Chile flew:
SCL-EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-FRA B707
SCL-GRU-GIG-MAD-FRA B707
The 767s also operated the routes listed above when they entered LAN Chile's fleet.

During 1993 LAN Chile flew:
SCL-LIM-MEX-LAX B762
SCL-GRU-MAD-FRA B762
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:00 pm

My first memorable flight (1993): Sahsa MSY-BZE-SAP-TGU on a 737-200.

A few others from MSY in the 90's:

LACSA: MSY-CUN-SAP-TGU-SJO B732

TACA: MSY-RTB-LCE-SAL B733

TACA: MSY-BZE-SAP-SAL B733
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:01 pm

One of my first flights was in July of 1985 on Northwest Orient. My mom kept the ticket. We were routed ORD-BIL-BZN-GTF-GEG-SEA. The flight was NW 71, which started in DTW using a 727-200. We were served a snack (more of a meal as my mom remembers it) on the ORD-BIL route, and another snack (again, more like a meal) on the GEG-SEA portion. My mom remembers talking to the FA, who lived in Crystal Lake, IL ... where we lived at the time. The flight and cabin crews were Chicago based.

On the return, we flew SEA-GEG-GTF-BZN-BIL-ORD ... the flight continued to DTW and DCA. This was flight 72, also a 727-200. We were served brunch on the SEA-GEG flight and lunch on the BIL-ORD flight.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:13 pm

When I worked in SHV in '80-'82, we had a flight (511, IIRC) that went DFW-SHV-MLU-JAN-BHM-ATL on a 727.....

In SLC in about '84, we had a 727 that went DCA-ATL-BHM-DFW-DEN-SLC.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:28 pm

When I was growing up, In the late 80's/early 90's we used to regularly fly SAHSA/TAN-SAHSA: LCE-RTB-SAP-TGU. Up and down 20 min 737 flights. I still remember the flight number, SH091. And TGU-SAP-LCE-BZE-MSY.

Ahhh, those were the days. Talk about listening to a long manual safety demo, in Spanish and English on every hop.  



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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:31 pm

The old Frontier Airlines had some doozy milk runs across the central and Rocky Mountain U.S.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 29):
In addition to the Fiesta Route, there was the Wallaby Route to South Africa -

SYD-PER-CCK-MRU-JNB.

you are right on the fiesta route and I actually did SYD-JNB however with SA and CCK was not included. But SYD-PER-MRU-JNB on a 742, luckily in F.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:54 pm

I had the chance to fly on a new "milk run" route last year. Aerolineas Argentinas (via their Austral subsidiary) created a new route called the "National Route", which connected major tourism cities, without going through Buenos Aires. I flew from one end of the route to the other, flying on an MD-80 on the route: IGR-SLA-MDZ-BRC (Iguazu Falls-Salta-Mendoza-Bariloche). I got to keep my same seat for the whole flight, and it was nice not having to worry about a connection in Aeroparque.

Two of my favorite milk runs from the past are:

1. Northwest (from the 1974 timetable)
Flight 108, SEA-GEG-MSO-HEL-BUT-BZN-BIL
Flight 392, SEA-GEG-MSO-BUT-BIL-FAR-MSP-DTW

2. United (from the 1972 timetable)
Flight 829 southbound, flight 948 northbound, SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX

3. One more that Western flew well after deregulation was on a routing of: SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR-FSD-OMA
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 21):
There was also QF2307 (not sure what the corresponding northbound flight number is) that was CNS-TSV-MKY-ROK-GLT-BNE, typically on a DH8-300.

QF2300 & QF2308 run BNE - GLT - ROK - MKY - TSV - CNS (flys as QF2300 mon to fri & QF2308 sat - sun)

QF2301 flys in the opposite direction at the same time as QF2300/2308 operates (stopping at the same ports)

QF2314 runs BNE - ROK - MKY - TSV - CNS (7 days a week & does not stop in GLT)

QF2307 flys in the opposite direction at the same time as QF2314 operates (however QF2307 also stops in GLT from mon to fri)
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 32):
We were routed ORD-BIL-BZN-GTF-GEG-SEA.

People that worked that route called it "The Rocky Mountain Hop".
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 35):
The old Frontier Airlines had some doozy milk runs across the central and Rocky Mountain U.S.

Lots of double tags like DEN-BIS-MOT-YQR-YXE or DEN-FAR-GFK-YWG

One more Ozark on a FH227 or even a DC-9: STL-SPI-DEC-CMI-ORD
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:13 pm

I remember as a kid, after leaving summer camp in Canada, having to travel to Florida to meet my parents. Flying USair when it still had the polished aluminium fuselage, leaving Toronto and stopping off 3/4 times to get to Pittsburgh, change at Pittsburgh for a flight to Orlando which stopped 3/4 times too.
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting mfricke (Reply 37):
One more that Western flew well after deregulation was on a routing of: SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR-FSD-OMA

The terminus was MSP, not OMA.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:44 pm

In the mid-seventies, I flew several times between France and Ethiopia. Most airlines were flying milk runs, as for example:

AF: CDG - CAI - KRT - JIB - ADD
ET: ORY - FCO - CAI - ASM - ADD
LH: FRA - ATH - JED - ADD

Most ET domestic flights had also many stops operated by DC3s, as for example:

ET 230: ADD - BJR - GDQ - AXU - MQX - ASM, sometimes also stopping at LLI between GDQ and AXU
ET 369: ADD - JIM - TIE - MTF - MUJ

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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:02 pm

I took Co's old Island Hopper in its 727 days from HNL to GUM. After the first couple of islands (paraphrasing the late great Spiro Agnew, if you've seen one island, you've seen them all), I longed for the non-stop.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:47 pm

My favorite milk run in the Caribbean was in the early 1970s on Caribair, a DC-9-30, which operated MIA-MBJ-KIN-PAP-SDQ-SJU the final terminus.

What was most memorable about the flight was while in transit on the ground in Port Au Prince, Haitian craftsman would board and stroll through the aisles selling their carvings and oil paintings.

Those were the days!

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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:51 pm

What about the old Hughes Airwest F27 the did something like:

Boeing Field-Tacoma-Olympia-Astoria-Roseburg-Coos Bay-Medford-Crescent City-Eureka-Redding-SFO.

Anybody know the exact routing?
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:26 pm

In the 70s RW had a DC9-30 routed LAS SFO CIC RDD LMT RDM PDX and SEA I believe.
 
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:35 pm

My first flight during training in September, 1969, to become "familiar" with the route system, I rode PI565, a Martin 404, DCA-ORF-ECG-RMT-RDU-GSO-CLT-AVL-TRI-TYS and came home the very next morning on PI562 that repeated the routing in reverse. 9 legs in 7 hours 49 minutes, with 5 minute station stops in ECG,, RMT and TRI, and a whopping 20 minute stop in CLT that included refueling. Catering was done in DCA and CLT, and I remember falling into bed at the TYS airport at 1130pm thinking what the H*#L have I got myself into!
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RE: Milk Run Nostalgia

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 10):

Back in the day, BWIA (old BW) did many milk run services in the Caribbean. Their KIN and MIA routes popularly served many islands. For example, on the Jamaica run BW at one time did POS - BGI - ANU - SJU - KIN. Interestingly, when they started the Jamaica ops in the 1940s the plane would call at SDQ (then Ciudad Trujillo) on request! Later on the destination mix changed several times, with MIA tagged on beyond KIN (done on behalf of JM), then later SXM added as an alternative to ANU and some flights stopping in PAP (again on behalf of JM). In the 1990s BW dropped PAP and SJU and the flights became 5 weekly POS - BGI - ANU - KIN and 2 weekly POS - BGI - SXM - KIN. Later that decade some flights continued beyond POS to either TAB or GEO. I flew on the routes in the 1990s configuration several times and notably did KIN - SXM - ANU - BGI - POS in 2000 as BW combined 2 POS - KIN flights scheduled for that day and JM, on whom I was originally booked, cancelled their at that time daily KIN - BGI - POS service. Nowadays new BW, Caribbean Airlines, fly KIN via one or other of BGI, SXM and ANU and occasionally nonstop from POS.

The MIA runs circa late 1980s included POS - TAB - GND - UVF - ANU - MIA! I flew from POS to UVF on these services in 1988. By the following year TAB did not feature on the run but the others did - I went to MIA that year. BW had other MIA flights with one stop, the stop being either AUA or BGI. Nowadays all services by new BW to MIA run nonstop from POS - there are also daily flights to FLL, also nonstop.

Oh yes, when I worked with BW we had some crazy routings... With the JM interchange at SJU, I remember BW/JM418 went POS-BGI-ANU-SXM-SJU-PAP-KIN on the same plane - a MD83. Also the MIA services were multi-stops too; BW400 was a POS-UVF-ANU-MIA routing as well as BW432 POS-GND-BGI-MIA. Even the L-1011s did some multi-stops like BW986 POS-UVF-BGI-CGN-MUC and BW982 POS-TAB-BGI-ARN...

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