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Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:01 am

Hey all, I've never been to AMS before but I've seen in pictures that this airport's F Pier has these funky jetbridges that can extend to the aircraft doors *behind* the wings. I've always thought this design brilliant and would imagine it allows for much more efficient boarding; does any other airport in the world have them? What compelled AMS to install them in the first place?

http://www.airliners.net/photo//1256...d=7c2242cfa75b6e497a324598740162ab

Thanks, and apologies if this has already been discussed-- I couldn't find it anywhere.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:05 am

I think Albany tried them for a couple years with WN. I don't know how that ended up. It looks like they are only used on the 747s. It would be awesome to see them at major airports in the states and on every plane.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:14 am

DEN tried them for a while as well until one collapsed and damaged the wing of a UA A320.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:36 am

I just flew with KL through AMS for the first time last month. My flight left from the F Pier and I noticed these jetbridges in place. However, it was not used for boarding our 777. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:39 am

WN had them in AUS for awhile...I remember using them early last decade.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:26 am

How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back? Do they use this concept or just a stair truck?
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:36 am

Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
However, it was not used for boarding our 777.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):

How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back?

The times I have transited through AMS, I have only seen the second bridge used on full-pax KL 744 a handful of times. Other planes such as the 772 and the Combis did not have the tail jetway used.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:03 am

YYC (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) had a Dual jetbridge on their D concourse. I am not sure if it is still in use though...

Here is an image:

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:09 am

During the time MNL was still served by KLM's 77Ws, the back jet bridge was used for deplaning upon arrival in AMS. The plane was indeed that full.
 
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:19 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
It looks like they are only used on the 747s.
Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
However, it was not used for boarding our 777. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 6):
The times I have transited through AMS, I have only seen the second bridge used on full-pax KL 744 a handful of times. Other planes such as the 772 and the Combis did not have the tail jetway used.

It's decision by the airline to use them. A factor can be the amount of passengers or the expected time needed to complete boarding on a specific flight.
The days that JL was flying to AMS, the so called 'overwing jetbridge' was used on their flight to board economy class, where the normal bridge was used to board premium class passengers via the L1 doors.

The bridge is also used on B772/B77W aircraft, definitely. But KLM seems not to do so that often. JL did, for example, and I guess BR also on their B77W flights to BKK/TPE.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:39 am

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 7):
YYC (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) had a Dual jetbridge on their D concourse. I am not sure if it is still in use though...

Here is an image:

While I can't say for sure whether WS has dual jetways in YYC (I don't recall seeing any though), wasn't that picture taken in YVR?
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:22 pm

They used to have them at the old IAB in JFK if memory services me correctly!
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back? Do they use this concept or just a stair truck?

Stair truck.
 
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:52 pm

ALB still has a duel boarding bridge and it's used almost every time that gate is used. WN tried them in several stations until one collapsed on a wing.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
It's decision by the airline to use them. A factor can be the amount of passengers or the expected time needed to complete boarding on a specific flight.
The days that JL was flying to AMS, the so called 'overwing jetbridge' was used on their flight to board economy class, where the normal bridge was used to board premium class passengers via the L1 doors.

The bridge is also used on B772/B77W aircraft, definitely. But KLM seems not to do so that often. JL did, for example, and I guess BR also on their B77W flights to BKK/TPE.

I flew on a KL B74M out of AMS in April and the overwing jetbridge was used. Out flight was completely full so that may have been a factor as well. I've flown out of AMS on KL heavies a number of times and my most recent flight was the first time I got use the over-wing bridge.

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:23 pm

I've been fascinated with this design as well. I would love to see an updated version of this that would be adaptable to not only all wide bodies, but some narrow bodies as well. The other upgrade would be all glass so that passengers could experience looking at the wing as they walk over them.


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Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:37 pm

It would seem that if one of those collapses that it would rip off the wing instead of merely damaging it!   
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:47 pm

I have personally worked at the bridge connection department at KLM and can tell you the following. They are used on all 747s (combi and full pax), MD11 and 77W. The 200 I believe doesn't allow for this as door 23 is too close to the wing and 24 is too far.

It helps boarding and especially disembarking a lot. The bridges have a sensor under them to detect the distance to the wing and shut down automatically if you get too close. They have to be manually brought into place with a joystick as with other bridges.

The view from the bridge over the whole aircraft is great, I'm sure some talented photographers could make some amazing shots from there.

I believe they were made by a Dutch company but have no details of this. They are pretty old though.

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting airbuster (Reply 18):
I believe they were made by a Dutch company but have no details of this. They are pretty old though.

I think they were made by Avio Diepen, a Dutch company. In 2007 the airport did an experiment with a glass jetbridge, but although passengers liked them, the airport didn't implement them.

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:09 pm

I've pictures of these airbridges "serving" the A380 during a test flight into AMS as well, one of the lower deck and one for the upper deck.

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:05 pm

Can they be used only on the 747?

Cause I can't find a pic where for example a 777 has the 2nd arm of a pier-bridge attached to doors 3L (772) or 4L (773)
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:25 pm

Where is the picture of the MD-11 with this. I really like that one but can never find it.
 
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting airbuster (Reply 17):
I have personally worked at the bridge connection department at KLM and can tell you the following. They are used on all 747s (combi and full pax), MD11 and 77W. The 200 I believe doesn't allow for this as door 23 is too close to the wing and 24 is too far.

OR sometimes used both bridges at G pier a few years ago. That was on a 763. a bit odd that the overwing can be used for a 763 but not for a 772.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:37 pm

In the pic it looks like both jetways are attached to a 330 and 77W.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
DEN tried them for a while as well until one collapsed and damaged the wing of a UA A320.

It was a 757. See Y Jet Bridge Collapses At DEN, Damages Plane (by JumboBumbo Mar 30 2007 in Civil Aviation) .

I miss those dual jet bridges. Riff Raff like me that has to sit in the back of a UA jet got to board easily and deboard quickly. Seems like WN might want to think about them with the 737-800.
 
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 7):
YYC (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) had a Dual jetbridge on their D concourse. I am not sure if it is still in use though...

Here is an image:

http://tinyurl.com/97on5do

That picture is from YVR. YYC used to have a dual jetbridge but it was removed I think because it kept breaking and was then not utilized anymore. YVR has 2 or 3 for WS that I don't see them used all that often. Doesn't seem to save that much time with narrow body aircraft but I could see it working very nicely with a wide body.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting irregking (Reply 20):
Cause I can't find a pic where for example a 777 has the 2nd arm of a pier-bridge attached to doors 3L (772) or 4L (773)

It can be used on the 773, but not the 772.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:20 pm

I thought by "unique" jetbridges he meant they don't have HSBC Bank billboards on them.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:10 am

The AMS set up is very cool and it seems like a good idea but I guess it has not been seen as practical anywhere else in the world.


On a slightly different subject how many airports worldwide now have dual level boarding jetways for the A380 and do any have two 'upper level' jetways ?
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 28):
On a slightly different subject how many airports worldwide now have dual level boarding jetways for the A380 and do any have two 'upper level' jetways ?

Most I have seen for the A380 is two on the main desk and one on the upper deck. Don't think there are any proposed dual upper deck arrangements.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:37 am

I have a couple of snap shots of these overwing bridges being used on classic 747-206s back in December 77/Jan 78. These pictures were taken with an Instamatic camera so aren't the best; but the bridges have been around for a while.
 
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting United1P (Thread starter):
Thanks, and apologies if this has already been discussed-- I couldn't find it anywhere.

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AMS Boarding Bridges (by macc May 16 2012 in Civil Aviation)

and...
Normal Airbridges Vs. Over-wing Airbridges (AMS) (by Pacific Oct 25 2011 in Tech Ops)

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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting peanuts (Reply 31):

Haha yes it does. Thanks a ton!
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 26):
It can be used on the 773, but not the 772.

They can be used also on the 772. The airline I worked for did use them both, at the E-concourse. Not sure if there is a local differentiation between specific concourses at AMS.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting Mark2fly1034 (Reply 21):
Where is the picture of the MD-11 with this. I really like that one but can never find it.

Maybe you're looking for this one:


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Unfortunately none of the bridges are actually "attached".

Check out these overviews, in everyone of them you'll find both front and rear bridges attached to an MD-11, somewhere in the picture . . . :


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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:23 pm

ALB had them. They were nice when WN used them, but so often we would land and they would not make use of it.
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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 11):
They used to have them at the old IAB in JFK if memory services me correctly

You can see overwing bridges in use at JFK in this 1997 photo, connected to an OA 742, EI A333 and LH A343.


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RE: Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges

Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:49 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):

Upon close inspection of the photo, I don't think they are actually attached to any of those aircraft.
I am by far an expert, but the L3 and R3 exits on the A330/340 are smaller than the other exits and would not allow for use for general boarding and disembarkment.