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How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:17 pm

Hi all.

It is a long time since I heard anything about the Superjet, and in fact the last thing I recall hearing was, regrettably, about the crash in Indonesia.

How is the project doing since then? Were any orders lost directly as a result of the incident? Also, and apologies if this is deemed to already be common knowledge by many, but what has the investigation established about that incident so far?

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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:29 pm

The last thing I've heard is that Armavia has dumped the fleet. They claim it is because the plane wasn't up to standard, but they've also been facing some serious financial issues lately...
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:31 pm

What about the Aeroflot deliveries and the ones destined for Mexico?
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:32 pm

 
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 1):
The last thing I've heard is that Armavia has dumped the fleet. They claim it is because the plane wasn't up to standard, but they've also been facing some serious financial issues lately...

That was fast. I'll do some searches when I get back home but yeah I'm wondering where those frames ended up going. Hopefully not to the Grim Reaper (the axe)   

Edit: found some articles
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/08/s...able-plane-to-sukhoi/#.UCfoLkSTB5U
no longer shown on fleet page
http://www.u8.am/index/view/id/4/lang/en

[Edited 2012-08-12 10:31:49]
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I'm wondering where those frames ended up going.

Both Armavia frames are currently stored at Moscow's Zhukovsky airfield. More info in this recent thread:

Armavia No Longer Operating Its Only SSJ100? (by N14AZ Aug 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:52 pm

Since the crash in Indonesia Interjet converted in firm orders 5 options. The first Superjet for Interjet is now in the Alenia tech facilities to complete the interiors. It will be' delivered at the beginning of 2013. Aeroflot has receved the 10th Superjet few days ago.
Indonesian airline Sky Aviation confirmed his interest in the SSJ and Trasaero placed a firm order for 6 planes.
I think it's all for the moment.
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Wasn't there a coupla emergency landings in the recent past due to cabin pressurization issues? Will try and google once I get home from work..
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:22 pm

The accident investigation so far concluded:
1. No malfunction in the aircraft.
2. EGPWS was working (but no details about it).
3. No explanation as to why they continued into the mountain after the right orbit on descent from 10000 to 6000.

Sky Aviation and Kartika Air says they're going to proceed with their order (But Kartika isn't flying at the moment)... Sky however has started operating 737-300s last month. So a bit hazy on our end down here.
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:36 pm

Here is a link to statistics of SSJ in Aeroflot. The spreadsheet is in Russian - but it is easy to understand.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=ru&hl=ru&key=0AvTibHrizMTxdGZCNzFXbTlYZVVrNkg4TFJmUXJ3T2c&output=html
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:13 pm

If all will be ok we will see soon also a SSJ wearing the Yakutia Airlines livery, Fingers crossed!
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:13 pm

The biggest issue facing the Superjet project at the moment is not the aftermath of the crash but rather the financial resources for ramping up production. Flight International reported on this last week - a lot of state money has gone into the programme but it's not eligible for further funding post-certification. Russia's audit chamber has even suggested the entire programme could be threatened if the funding is insufficient.
 
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:14 pm

An interesting article on the Armavia SSJ situation: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:26 pm

Quoting lollomz (Reply 12):

An interesting article on the Armavia SSJ situation: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....itter

Pretty much as expected. Returned the aircraft for a check and Sukhoi said 'ha - you're not having this back until you clear the debt.' Or words to that effect.


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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 8):
3. No explanation as to why they continued into the mountain after the right orbit on descent from 10000 to 6000.

The Pravda article does say:

Quote:

The pilots, investigators believe, received visual and audio signals warning of the mountain slope ahead. However, they ignored the signals because they were certain that they were flying above a valley, at a safe altitude.

In other words, computers working correctly but some set of human factors preventing the pilots from believing the warnings. Note that this is not necessarily only a fault of the pilots, the article goes on to discuss a request to the Indonesian flight control office that went unanswered.
 
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 14):
the article goes on to discuss a request to the Indonesian flight control office that went unanswered.

Is that to the office or to the ATC?
I do suspect that after the aircraft completed the orbit on descent to 6000, they called the ATC again and couldn't get an answer (ATC was focused on the major inflow into CGK), so the aircraft continued on the previous heading before the orbit.
But then, were they aware of the mountain ahead of them? I also want to know what was briefed to them at the Briefing Office in Halim Airport prior to the flights.
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:12 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 7):

It's funny how you can access a.net from work but not google  
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:58 am

ATC doesn't answer? OK, I'll just fly straight into the nearest mountain then!
 
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RE: How Is The Superjet Project Since The Crash?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 17):

ATC doesn't answer? OK, I'll just fly straight into the nearest mountain then!

Well you have to catch their attention somehow, right?
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