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Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:37 pm

Hi everyone,

According to the Venezuelan SAR, a Global 7000 with registration 9H-FED was stolen last night at the Valencia Airport:

@notisar1: VENEZUELA ROBO DE AVION 9H-FED BOMBARDIER 7000 DE VALENCIA

Can anyone confirm this?

How can such a large plane be stolen??? You need at least a 7,000ft runway to land this plane... This is ridiculous!!!

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Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:44 pm

I'm not basing this on where this supposedly happened, because it has happened in the US and Europe.

Usually when something like this surfaces - the plane has been repossessed by the owner/ finance company. The person operating the plane, who everyone thought was the owner, has not been making required payments, and the real owner company hires some people to return the plane to their custody.

Occasionally it is the reverse - the operator arranges for the aircraft to be taken to a private location to hide the aircraft from the real owners.

The problem with the second scenario is that it is very hard to operate such an aircraft if the real owners are looking for it.
 
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:53 pm

Sounds like a repo to me.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:57 pm

Global 7000? That's a paper design that's not yet been built. It would have to be a Global 5000 or a Global XRS.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:59 pm

It's an XRS. 7000 doesn't exist.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Sounds like a repo to me.

Nick's team?

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Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
How can such a large plane be stolen???

Very easily. During a particularly boring moment a few years ago a bunch of us tried to figure out how to steal an airplane. Our conclusion is that it would be incredibly easy to do...the tricky part is doing it without people realizing you've done it. These guys will have the law on their ass in to time, airplanes are hard to hide. However, if the guys who stole it are actually the rightful owners now....

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
You need at least a 7,000ft runway to land this plane...

No way. An XRS can take off in 6,000' and, rule of thumb, you only need about half your takeoff distance to land.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Usually when something like this surfaces - the plane has been repossessed by the owner/ finance company.

Exactly. I once flew beside a guy who used to do airplane repos for a living. He had amazing stories.

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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting Navion (Reply 3):
Global 7000? That's a paper design that's not yet been built. It would have to be a Global 5000 or a Global XRS.
Quoting Navion (Reply 3):
It's an XRS. 7000 doesn't exist.

That's what they want you to think. In reality they have had it for years out at Area 51  
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
No way. An XRS can take off in 6,000' and, rule of thumb, you only need about half your takeoff distance to land.

They would be particularly dumb criminals if they stole a plane which needed 6,000ft of runway to take off and then landed it on a remote 4,000ft strip to hide.


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Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 4):
It's an XRS. 7000 doesn't exist.

The registration matches this.....

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Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:17 pm

this is something very serious. I hope this is a repo, because if criminals start stealing business jets, then the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket... that Global probably had a price tag of $55-60 million USD

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
They would be particularly dumb criminals if they stole a plane which needed 6,000ft of runway to take off and then landed it on a remote 4,000ft strip to hide.

That would be interesting, I mean criminals are not the sharpest of people. Imagine stealing a Global Express and landing it on a grass strip in the middle of the jungle to hide?? jeez

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Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:31 pm

It's operated by a company called Hyperion according to its flight plans. They operate a number of other bizzers on the Maltese register too.
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:40 pm

I think you could make a call to Mr. Nick Popovich to find where is this plane resting as we speak...  
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:02 pm

Venezuela?

I'd put some money on it having been stolen to be packed full of drugs, flown on a run to somewhere in the Caribbean, or even south US and dumped there...
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:21 pm

I doubt that its been repossessed, as Venezuela require overflight permission for foreign registered aircraft.
Add on top of that flightplans, fuel and the like, it strikes me as unlikely that the local authorities wouldn't know if it was repossessed.
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
How can such a large plane be stolen??? You need at least a 7,000ft runway to land this plane... This is ridiculous!!!

I've seen a Global Express land in BUF and make the runway intersection, which even if they used the entire usable runway is only about 3000ft. Plus the wiki page says only 2600ft is needed even at max landing weight. (Even though that seems pretty low to me)
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Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:52 pm

Quoting n797mx (Reply 16):
I've seen a Global Express land in BUF and make the runway intersection, which even if they used the entire usable runway is only about 3000ft. Plus the wiki page says only 2600ft is needed even at max landing weight

if that Global is empty, yes 2600ft MIGHT do it.... but if you're going from Los Angeles to Tokyo with a full tank of fuel, you're looking at 6500ft minimun to get a Global off the ground...

In this scenario, I bet that Global was empty
 
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 16):
I've seen a Global Express land in BUF and make the runway intersection, which even if they used the entire usable runway is only about 3000ft. Plus the wiki page says only 2600ft is needed even at max landing weight. (Even though that seems pretty low to me

I've seen a Global depart MCO for California use roughly 3000ft of runway. The Global is an amazing runway performer. For those that may not believe this, check this video out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvRjg5Ec7A

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15):
I doubt that its been repossessed, as Venezuela require overflight permission for foreign registered aircraft.
Add on top of that flightplans, fuel and the like, it strikes me as unlikely that the local authorities wouldn't know if it was repossessed.

Here's the thing. How exactly does one go about stealing a large corporate jet? It wouldn't exactly be something done after drinking a few too many cervezas, this would have to be well planned, with a fairly well-qualified pilot lined up. More importantly, what in holy hell would you do with it when you took it? This isn't a toyota, of which there are hundreds of thousands built every year. According to Wiki, as of 2010 there were only 400 Globals built. Corporate jets are essentially hand-crafted and their ownership is known to the manufacturer, who provides ownership support. I'm pretty sure if you called Bombardier with a newly registered jet that originated out of nowhere, things would fall apart pretty rapidly after a simple check of the builder's plate. Heck, if you parted it out, who would you sell the parts to and how?

That's why I'll go with repo or anything drug related.

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
That would be interesting, I mean criminals are not the sharpest of people.

If you mean they guys who rob gas stations, then yes I'll agree. I'll give credit though that people who deal in larger ticket items are not only not stupid, but they may well be far smarter then you are I, just with looser morals.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:33 am

Haven't landed the Global on a 2600ft strip....yet, but have landed it many times on a 5000' foot runway and easily turned off about halfway down.

People, it's never a question about landing but about takeoff. The Global is very good at this too. Especially if you are flying a stolen airplane and could care less about regulations, balanced field and 2nd segment climb criteria.

The Global 5000 demonstrator flew from Hilton Head, SC with its 4300' runway to Paris a few years ago. Surely done legally. Imagine what one could do illegally.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
How can such a large plane be stolen???

Not that hard if you have someone to fly it and can gain access (lawfully or otherwise) to the airport. A lot of airports don't have many people around so you could be some distance away before anyone notices.

People still pull art heists despite modern security. And planes are designed to move.

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
You need at least a 7,000ft runway to land this plane...

No you don't. More like 4,500 to 5,000 ft, if that.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Usually when something like this surfaces - the plane has been repossessed by the owner/ finance company.

That seems most likely.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
These guys will have the law on their ass in to time, airplanes are hard to hide.

Are they really though? If you can get off to a far flung part of the world or one where people just don't ask a lot of questions I'd think it's possible. Hard would be what to do with it then since all the parts have serial numbers on them and such.

If it was really a theft rather than a repo, I'm thinking it may be insurance fraud. Or trying to avoid a repo...
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:49 am

To fly in Venezuela with a foreign registered plane you need a pack of permissions that in any other country are ridiculous. For this Global to have been stolen, something must have been cooked with the 'locals'

I did my research and the plane was parked far away from the FBO. It was pared next to the Aeroclub, which is next to the National Guard. I'm not putting this on anyone, but I'm just adding the numbers...

This ain't no VW Beetle we're talking about. It's one of the top biz jets out there!

How about any tracking devices for this particular aircraft?

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
How can such a large plane be stolen???

yes it can it least in Venezuela!   

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:23 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Are they really though? If you can get off to a far flung part of the world or one where people just don't ask a lot of questions I'd think it's possible. Hard would be what to do with it then since all the parts have serial numbers on them and such.

The ex-AA 727 (N844AA) that was stolen in Angola comes to mind. It's a bigger airplane, but was never found.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
No way. An XRS can take off in 6,000' and, rule of thumb, you only need about half your takeoff distance to land.

They would be particularly dumb criminals if they stole a plane which needed 6,000ft of runway to take off and then landed it on a remote 4,000ft strip to hide.

6,000' is at max. You can get off in far less. 4,000' would be plenty as long as you're not going too far.

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
that Global probably had a price tag of $55-60 million USD

That's retail...resale would be nearly nil since there's no way to support it without giving up the ghost.

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 18):
More importantly, what in holy hell would you do with it when you took it?

Exactly. Taking it is easy. Doing something useful after that is...hard...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
These guys will have the law on their ass in to time, airplanes are hard to hide.

Are they really though? If you can get off to a far flung part of the world or one where people just don't ask a lot of questions I'd think it's possible.

I sort of meant "hide while using." Yes, to literally hide it would be easy, but then what would be the point of stealing it? Using it as an airplane after stealing it is the nearly impossible part.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 24):
Yes, to literally hide it would be easy, but then what would be the point of stealing it?

Well insurance fraud for one.
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 24):
Yes, to literally hide it would be easy, but then what would be the point of stealing it?

Well insurance fraud for one.

Wouldn't it have been easier just to sell it?

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 24):
Yes, to literally hide it would be easy, but then what would be the point of stealing it?

Well insurance fraud for one.

A GLEX could carry a few tons of cocaine and fly a very long way at low level to deliver it. Not 6000nm but ....how far is Venezuala from The US again?
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:52 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 26):
Wouldn't it have been easier just to sell it?

Theoretically, but that takes time and you may not get what you paid or owe for the plane.

Maybe some sort of money laundering scam? Buy a plane with dirty money, have it stolen, and get a clean check from the insurance company?

Of course this is all just speculation.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 27):
A GLEX could carry a few tons of cocaine and fly a very long way at low level to deliver it. Not 6000nm but ....how far is Venezuala from The US again?

Not far. But most drug/weapons smuggling stories I've seen have used older planes, and usually larger too. More like 727s or 707s rather than business jets. I've never heard of one lasting long either, probably due to inability or lack of interest in maintenance. I would think that for a shady individual looking for transportation, an elaborate setup of shell companies would work just as well and attract less unwanted attention.
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:24 am

BREAKING NEWS:

Seems like the aircraft was found in the Canary Islands loaded with 'white powder'

Can anyone confirm?

This is some serious crazy stuff IMHO.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 18):
That's why I'll go with repo or anything drug related.
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 27):
A GLEX could carry a few tons of cocaine and fly a very long way at low level to deliver it. Not 6000nm but ....how far is Venezuala from The US again?

Bingo. While this seems to most likely be a case of the aircraft being repossessed by its owners, this could certainly be drug related. The reason I say this is that in 2009 there was a case of a stolen Boeing 727 being used by a cartel to transport cocaine from South America to somewhere near Gao, Mali (from there it gets distributed to europe). The link to the relevant airliners.net thread is below. If a cartel can steal a Boeing 727, then surely they can do the same to a Bombardier GLEX? The distance between Valencia, Venezuela (where the Bombardier GLEX was taken from) and Gao, Mali (where the mentioned Boeing 727 was found) is about 4000nm - well within its range. I guess a relevant question is how much payload can a Bombardier Global Express carry over that distance - keeping in mind that even just a tonne of cocaine will be worth millions of dollars and the acquisition costs will be very close to nil.

Venezuelan Drugs Boeing Crashed In Mali: UN (by PH-BFA Nov 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting LXa332 (Reply 23):
The ex-AA 727 (N844AA) that was stolen in Angola comes to mind. It's a bigger airplane, but was never found.

See link above. Unfortunately I can't find the serial number or registration of the Boeing 727 that crashed, but maybe it could be N844AA.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
But most drug/weapons smuggling stories I've seen have used older planes, and usually larger too. More like 727s or 707s rather than business jets. I've never heard of one lasting long either, probably due to inability or lack of interest in maintenance.

I would think that once the aircraft has transported the drugs, it has done its job and its mission finished. Continuing to operate it presents a significant risk to the cartel as it could be linked back to them. Thus if the plane is a drug mule, I would think that as soon as the illegal cargo gets removed, the plane will probably be torched. Very sad if this happens as the aircraft looks very nice.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:44 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 13):
I'd put some money on it having been stolen to be packed full of drugs, flown on a run to somewhere in the Caribbean, or even south US and dumped there...

Most likely. But, I bet it is going to some desert strip in Africa rather than the Caribbean.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:27 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 31):
. But, I bet it is going to some desert strip in Africa rather than the Caribbean.

According to 797's post above, it seems they dumped it in the Canary Islands. So the stuff was going to Europe. Makes sense.

Still, called it...  
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:49 am

Which airport in the Canary Islands has it been left in ?
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:05 am

Quoting 797 (Reply 29):
This is some serious crazy stuff IMHO.

Not really, that stunt has been going on for a few years now. They usually pack the plane with Cocaine and fly from South America to some strip in Africa and ditch the plane. Then the "cargo" is taken to Europe. It´s becoming a major entry operation into the EU.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:47 am

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 18):
I've seen a Global depart MCO for California use roughly 3000ft of runway. The Global is an amazing runway performer. For those that may not believe this, check this video out.
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 24):
6,000' is at max. You can get off in far less. 4,000' would be plenty as long as you're not going too far.

Very true, I was envisaging some hot and humid strip at altitude which is probably a bit too 'hollywood'. I've seen one depart on a cool day at near sea level from a 3,800ft runway. Just two people on board mind, but impressive nevertheless.


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Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting 797 (Reply 29):
BREAKING NEWS:

Seems like the aircraft was found in the Canary Islands loaded with 'white powder'

Can anyone confirm?

This is some serious crazy stuff IMHO.

I suppose two Global Express typed-rated pilots agreed tp do this? or is it just any pilot without the type ratings and "we'll learn the airplane as we go"?
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:24 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 36):
I suppose two Global Express typed-rated pilots agreed tp do this? or is it just any pilot without the type ratings and "we'll learn the airplane as we go"?

Most often they're pilots with no experience on type. At most they light have a few hours on bizjets.
They probably have a quick look at basic operation of the systems and nav equipment and off they go. A relatively large proportion of these flights end in disaster due to pilot inexperience, lack of preparation and the general shoddiness of the whole affair...

They're also given a LOT of money for the one flight...
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:38 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 36):
I suppose two Global Express typed-rated pilots agreed tp do this? or is it just any pilot without the type ratings and "we'll learn the airplane as we go"?

Or some financially desperate Bombardier CRJ pilots who have been furloughed? The flight decks aren't identical, but there is probably enough commonality between the two aircraft types to make such a transition work.
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:55 am

I had 9H-FED on my SBS yesterday, down to 1150ft at 5pm ish, so suspect it may have gone into LPA (Gran Canaria)?
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:16 pm

Translated from Spanish site (with photo)
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=271666

In a joint operation of the Senior Police and Civil Guard alerted by Interpol, this Sunday intercepted a private jet on a runway Gando Airport in Gran Canaria, suspecting that it might carry a large stash of cocaine boxes of humanitarian aid Red Cross.

The troops that participated in the operation at the airport in Gran Canaria on Sunday did not know the amount of drug that could carry the aircraft, although several sources said they found boxes in the hold of Red Cross humanitarian aid of 50 kilos each. According to investigative sources the plane came from Palm Beach International Airport in Miami, bound for an airport in Germany. The only occupants of the aircraft, a pilot, copilot and a flight attendant were held immediately after landing in Gran Canaria and are waiting for the police court and the Attorney Telde Las Palmas warehouse inspect the appliance and the load . The pilot of the plane is a Colombian national, while the rest of the cabin crew is German
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 39):
I had 9H-FED on my SBS yesterday, down to 1150ft at 5pm ish, so suspect it may have gone into LPA (Gran Canaria)?
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 40):
Translated from Spanish site (with photo)
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=271666

In a joint operation of the Senior Police and Civil Guard alerted by Interpol, this Sunday intercepted a private jet on a runway Gando Airport in Gran Canaria, suspecting that it might carry a large stash of cocaine boxes of humanitarian aid Red Cross.

The troops that participated in the operation at the airport in Gran Canaria on Sunday did not know the amount of drug that could carry the aircraft, although several sources said they found boxes in the hold of Red Cross humanitarian aid of 50 kilos each. According to investigative sources the plane came from Palm Beach International Airport in Miami, bound for an airport in Germany. The only occupants of the aircraft, a pilot, copilot and a flight attendant were held immediately after landing in Gran Canaria and are waiting for the police court and the Attorney Telde Las Palmas warehouse inspect the appliance and the load . The pilot of the plane is a Colombian national, while the rest of the cabin crew is German

So the aircraft has been located. Baed on the above posts, the aircraft must have flown from Venezuela to Florida and onwards to Gran Canaria where it has been stopped.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
So the aircraft has been located. Baed on the above posts, the aircraft must have flown from Venezuela to Florida and onwards to Gran Canaria where it has been stopped.

The filed flightplan might be a fake one. The aircraft has the range for a non-stop flight from PBI to Germany.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting rleiro (Reply 42):
The filed flightplan might be a fake one. The aircraft has the range for a non-stop flight from PBI to Germany.

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That might very well be true but the aircraft has been stopped in Gran Canaria, so it's physically there as per the post in this thread and not in Germany.

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Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
the aircraft must have flown from Venezuela to Florida and onwards to Gran Canaria where it has been stopped.

Or problably direct from Venezuela to Gran Canaria. Surely, It had a bogus flight plan from Palm Beach to gran canaria.
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting rleiro (Reply 42):
The filed flightplan might be a fake one. The aircraft has the range for a non-stop flight from PBI to Germany.

The aircraft could also have flown from Venezula to Germany.

But I agree it was likely a fake flightplan.

Why load an aircraft with drugs, and fly from South America into a US customs airport where they know it will be checked. (Though of course folks could be paid to look the other way. That's also how a fake flight plan can get entered into the system.)

As noted above several places, the normal route is remote airport in South America to remote airport in Africa.

Going into the Canaries would indicate to me that likely the aircraft departed with a less than full fuel load - possibly they were a bit worried about takeoff performance with the 'cargo load'.

The sad thing is that this pretty much ends the aircraft's productive career. Once an aircraft is involved in drug smuggling, it is going to be search extensively every time it comes into many countries.

The type of folks who buy/ charter this type plane are not going to put up with that.
 
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 45):
The sad thing is that this pretty much ends the aircraft's productive career. Once an aircraft is involved in drug smuggling, it is going to be search extensively every time it comes into many countries.

Wouldn't a new registration be enough to leave its shady past behind?
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 43):

That might very well be true but the aircraft has been stopped in Gran Canaria, so it's physically there as per the post in this thread and not in Germany.

I can't understand why they landed in such a big international airport like LPA with 24hr police operation. They were just asking to get caught.
The aircraft was flagged as stolen and it's identity doesn't appear to have been covered up.

I would have thought some remote strip in the Sahara would have been a better choice for covert operations.
 
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 46):
Wouldn't a new registration be enough to leave its shady past behind?

No. Drug enforcement police agencies will have the aircraft in their databases now, and any new registrations or other changes will also be noted.
 
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RE: Bombardier Global 7000 Stolen In Venezuela!

Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 40):
The only occupants of the aircraft, a pilot, copilot and a flight attendant

What did they need an FA for?

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 48):
No. Drug enforcement police agencies will have the aircraft in their databases now, and any new registrations or other changes will also be noted

I'm sure somebody will pick it up cheap that doesn't mind the hassle in exchange for a good deal.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 37):
They're also given a LOT of money for the one flight...

I would assume that is the motivational factor for people who get into that line of flying, plus I am sure some of them enjoy the risk.

How do pilots get recruited to get into this line of work?
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