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2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:05 am

According to this, there was a NATIONAL AIRLINES before my beloved Sun King National. But this says that this lasted until 1940 when aquired by DL. The widely known one started in 1934. So for six years there were TWO(?) NATIONAL AIRLINES????? How is that possible????


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_(disambiguation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/National_Airlines_(1931)







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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
But this says that this lasted until 1940 when aquired by DL.

I really do not know too much about National, but I do about DL... DL did NOT acquire National. They have only merged with Chicago and Southern, Northeast, Western, bought some of Pan Am, and Northwest. Come to think of it, I remember reading somewhere that DL merged with someone else (but it was not true.) Maybe this is the airline mistakenly attributed to DL...
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:30 am

The 1934 National merged into Northeast in 1940.
 
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
The 1934 National merged into Northeast in 1940.

Ah well I didn't really count the entire family tree, I guess National is a part of DL, even if DL didn't "acquire" them directly
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:52 am

As I recall the 1939 OAG only shows one National, the one we're familiar with. (Probably the 1935-36-37-38 too.) For all we know the other one wasn't a passenger airline; for all we know it wasn't a scheduled airline.
 
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):

Now where did you get that?????? 1934 National is Route of the Buccaneers/Airline of the Stars/Sun King/Fly Me/lets strike because its Thursday National
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:27 am

This is from the wikipedia entry on Northeast Airlines

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Northeast Airlines was an American airline based in Boston, Massachusetts. It began as Boston-Maine Airways, which was founded as a Pan Am contract carrier on July 20, 1931, by the Boston and Maine Railroad and Maine Central Railroad offering service from Boston to Bangor via Portland. It flew only abortively until August 11, 1933, when it began contract service for National Airways, an agreement which lasted four years. The name Northeast Airlines was adopted on November 19, 1940.

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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:41 am

In the book Delta: An Airline And Its Aircraft by R,E,G, Davies, it says "...(Paul) Collins founded National Airways, Inc., and contracted with Boston-Maine to fly the route. Service began on 11 August 1933."

Paraphrasing it looks like National Airways had agreements with Boston-Maine Airways and Central Vermont Airways to operate routes in a v-shape from Montreal, Canada, to Boston, Massachusetts to Bangor, Maine. Looks like the agreement ended on 1 March 1937 with control passing to the controlling railroad for Boston-Maine Airways it was Boston and Maine and Maine Central Railroads. For Central Vermont Airways is was the Central Vermont Railroad (owned by Canadian National Railways).

Ultimately Boston-Maine Airways and Central Vermont Airways became Northeast Airlines on 19 November 1940.

I have probably skipped over some things, but I think I got the basics down.

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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
How is that possible????

With widely separated operations areas and no nationwide advertising, and less emphasis on trademarks and protecting intellectual property - it would have been very easy to have two airlines operating with the same name.

Remember IATA didn't even exist until 1945. ICAO is even younger.

I suspect the name change to Northeast Airlines came about when the CAB was created and the US government first started to get involved in airline economic regulation.
 
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:52 pm

In 1934-35-36 OAGs the only mention of National Airways is on the Boston-Maine page: "Operations by National Airways, Inc." Like he said, Davies says Boston-Maine bought National in 1937; doesn't seem like National Airways was ever a name the passengers had any reason to know of.
 
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:58 pm

Dont forget about these two!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/National_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Pashnin.jpg/800px-National_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Pashnin.jpg

 
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RE: 2 National Airlines At The Same Time?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:50 pm

Or this one...PrivateJet/National
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Natio...d=96f69a45372392cc1d66199d6390ca32

[Edited 2012-08-15 08:51:40]
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