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Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:01 pm

Why did AF take the Olympic flag to GIG?

Just curious (kind of eerie too) why not TAM?
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:04 pm

 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Several guesses:

1 No Greek airline flies to Brazil.
2 Organisers of flying the flag, didn't ask a Greek airline if interested to fly flag from LON to RIO.
3 The founder of the modern Olympics was French.
4 The official language of the International Olympic Committee is French
5 BA and JJ were out-bidden by AF to fly the flag to GIG.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:48 pm

Some brazilians are actually questioning that. It's true that JJ keeps a 3x weekly service to GIG but it only operates Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays from LHR.

The information is that the Brazilian Olympic Comittee and Rio's local government consulted JJ first if they had interest in flying the flag to GIG nonstop from LHR. JJ wasn't interested in making a stop at GIG on their scheduled LHR-GRU flight (making it LHR-GIG-GRU for a day) monday night to carry the Olympic Flag and the 30 members of its entourage (with a large number of them flying business class).

JJ wasn't also interested in flying a special LHR-GIG charter using the 77W that arrives at LHR in the morning (and flying a reserve aircraft to LHR to cover the schedules LHR-GRU service).

I don't know why BA wasn't chosen given that they serve LHR-GIG nonstop on mondays. But it would be the same: Brazil's flag carrier wasn't interested in carrying home the Olympic flag. Kinda sad. And bad PR for TAM.

I heard from some cariocas that if the Olympics were at São Paulo, TAM would not only bring the flag but make an event of it.

On the other hand, AF scored a home-run. They had their brand exposed worldwide and associated with Rio and the Olympics. Oh and they got paid for that since plane tickets are not free and not particularly cheap.

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:57 pm

Ia Orana all !

Plenty of pictures of the crew and atheletes on board and a couple of pictures in Rio with the flag.

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 4):
Plenty of pictures of the crew and atheletes on board and a couple of pictures in Rio with the flag.

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 5):
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:23 pm

For the record, the flag came onboard flight AF444 operated by F-GZCN.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
It's true that JJ keeps a 3x weekly service to GIG but it only operates Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays from LHR

JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:41 pm

I'm surprised BA didn't do it as they are the official airline, sponsor or whatever. Maybe the Rio delegation didn't want BA involved as they've already had their turn?
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

Or they could have flown it from Paris to Rio after travelling on the EuroStar... Well, I am proud to see that we scored that though !
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):
Why did AF take the Olympic flag to GIG?

I wondered that too, great PR for AF, but not for Brazil to host the Olympics and not have a national carrier able to bring the flag to Rio.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
1 No Greek airline flies to Brazil.

That's irrelevant, the flag is handed to the mayor of the next host city by the mayor of the city just hosting, so it's direct from London to Rio.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
The official language of the International Olympic Committee is French

Untrue, it's French AND English.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
I don't know why BA wasn't chosen given that they serve LHR-GIG nonstop on mondays.

Me too, and here it would have been received as a nice gesture. Mind you, it's no wonder there are no pictures of the flag from London to Paris ...
 
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

The nonstop doesn't operate on mondays ex-LHR. The onestop flight isn't actually flown all the way to Rio with the same plane. There is an aircraft change at GRU from the 77W to the 320.

It was important for the BOC and Rio's government that the flag's first stop in Brazil was in Rio, home of the 2016 games. That's why they consulted JJ to fly LHR-GIG-GRU instead of LHR-GRU for a single time.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 9):
I'm surprised BA didn't do it as they are the official airline, sponsor or whatever. Maybe the Rio delegation didn't want BA involved as they've already had their turn?

I guess BA was probably outbidded by AF. Since their first choice (JJ) didn't take the mission they made a bid for the service.

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG.

There's a change of gauge at GRU.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

Yes, but with a connection at GRU. That would have not been acceptable, since the flag would arrive on a A320.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:49 pm

The picture of the mayor I've seen with the plane in the background is so chopped up that you can't tell which airline it is. So this doesn't seem like a big issue at all. . .

As for BA, remember AF has a stronger presence in GIG. . . although I am surprised as well they didn't choose a non-stop flight.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
I heard from some cariocas that if the Olympics were at São Paulo, TAM would not only bring the flag but make an event of it.

GRU has daily flights, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch. I am sure if GIG had daily flights they would have brought the flag and thrown a party.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):

That was my same thought too!
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):
(kind of eerie too

Exactly what I thought when I first heard AF was carrying it. Also is an A330.....like #447.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:47 am

...and it was on A332 too!!

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting solnabo (Reply 17):

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:34 pm

My guess is that AF is the prefered carrier of the IOC.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
Untrue, it's French AND English.

And the language of the host country.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 12):
The nonstop doesn't operate on mondays ex-LHR. The onestop flight isn't actually flown all the way to Rio with the same plane. There is an aircraft change at GRU from the 77W to the 320.

Irrelevant since there is no AF non-stop between England and GIG either so the flag did no go non-stop to GIG anyway.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
Irrelevant since there is no AF non-stop between England and GIG either so the flag did no go non-stop to GIG anyway.

It's relevant because stopping anywhere in Brazil was the problem.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:54 pm

What I find a bit funny if it did LHR-CDG-GIG is that Paris was competing for the 2012 Olympics back in 2005 and lost out to London.

It is really odd that JJ didn't do a one off stop at GIG, it would have only been an extra hour onto the flight and a good few of the pax on that flight would have been part of the Olympic delegates.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:28 pm

I guess there is no reason and no difference if the flag flew AF or TAM or whatever other airline. It is a globalised World and maybe they chose AF for no particular reason.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 12):
I guess BA was probably outbidded by AF.

Quite likely.

The inflation figures (the Consumer Price Index or CPI for the UK for July) showed an unexpected increase of 0.2 per cent over the previous month. According to the UK Office for National Statistics:

"The biggest factor in the increase in CPI was air fare prices, which rose 21.7% on the month."

Whether or not this more than signidficant increase was related in any way to London 2012 is probably a matter for conjecture. But I think it is likely to have played a significant part.

When the Brazilian delegation were looking for a good deal for their return trip to London BA and indeed TAM would likely be unwilling to compete with the likes of AF with the sort of yields they were obtainig on day-to-day tichet sales for direct flights.

The Brazilian delegation was, according to the link to the AF web site, quite big:

"On this occasion, members of the Brazilian olympic delegation are also flying London-Paris-Rio with Air France today. 35 passengers including the mayor of Rio, the president of the Brazilian Olympic Committee, athletes, journalists and the governor of the state of Rio are bringing back the olympic flag with them."

So whether or not to offer a significant discount to a party of dignatories many of whom were likekly to demand to travel in a premium class seat would likely be a no brainer for BA yield management.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:24 pm

Am I the only person linking this to the sad tragedy of AF447?

Reversal of brand association for AF's flights to/from Rio?

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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 24):

Yes, that is why I said it was "kinda eerie" in the opening question. Great minds!
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
I don't know why BA wasn't chosen given that they serve LHR-GIG nonstop on mondays. But it would be the same: Brazil's flag carrier wasn't interested in carrying home the Olympic flag. Kinda sad. And bad PR for TAM.

SAD the Olympic flag could not fly nonstop from LHR to Rio. AF not only scored " we flew the flag to RIO" but how lacking BA's flights to Brazil are and how large AF Latin network is.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
1 No Greek airline flies to Brazil.
2 Organisers of flying the flag, didn't ask a Greek airline if interested to fly flag from LON to RIO.
3 The founder of the modern Olympics was French.
4 The official language of the International Olympic Committee is French
5 BA and JJ were out-bidden by AF to fly the flag to GIG.

Where do Greek airlines fly outside of Europe or beyond the ramge of an A320 ?

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
On the other hand, AF scored a home-run. They had their brand exposed worldwide and associated with Rio and the Olympics. Oh and they got paid for that since plane tickets are not free and not particularly cheap.

Proportionately the ticket were probably cheaper given the size of the group and the who the group was. AF became the "unofficial" airline sponsor of RIO 2016.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:02 pm

Should have just over nighted it on UPS.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:18 pm

I think this is kind of situation in which also the size of the business/first cabin make the difference. The end of the Olympics is for sure a busy moment for all airlines flying in and out of London and i doubt that TAM or British would have availability for at least 10J.
Looking into some of the pics available on f-book, i realized that they probably used at least 10J with the staff, mayor, , Rio 2016 officers, governor and medalists.

Does JJ or BA had such availability last minute ? I doubt.

But in the end... no doubt... it was a potential mistake made by JJ and even by Latam, specially now that they are considering to build up their GIG hub.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:14 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 23):
When the Brazilian delegation were looking for a good deal for their return trip to London BA and indeed TAM would likely be unwilling to compete with the likes of AF with the sort of yields they were obtaining on day-to-day tichet sales for direct flights.

BA reputedly paid £40m for Olympic sponsorship; covered the costs of flying the Olympic flame from Greece and its journeys to non-mainland UK; were required [I believe] by the IOC to bring the delegations of poorer nations to London without charge [please don't ask me which ones]- all of which added up to a tidy sum. And their advertising for the last few months was targeted [probably a bit tongue in cheek] at getting us Brits to stay home to support the Olymoics and not fly with them, so that would have probably cost a few lost passengers too.

I am not sure therefore that the cost of 'giving a way' one flights worth of F and J tickets to Rio 2016 delegates would have been a significant consideration for BA if the option for BA to take the flag to Rio had been on the table.

So if anything its even more surprising that AF was chosen instead of BA. Maybe they just aren't allowed to have anything to do with the 2016 games other than as a national airline supporting their national team. If Dr Jacques Rogge is reading this maybe he could enlighten us.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:27 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 28):
Does JJ or BA had such availability last minute ? I doubt.

But in the end... no doubt... it was a potential mistake made by JJ and even by Latam, specially now that they are considering to build up their GIG hub.



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Why would it be "last minute" for the Rio delegation to get seats ? Ever since the 2016 Olympics were given to Rio it should have been known to The Brits and Brazilains a "Rio" delegation was coming to get the flag and for some one to plan for their departure the day after the closing ceremony.

Then there are things we don;t know, the Air France country manager could have made the Rio delegation an offer they couldn't refuse.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:11 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
And the language of the host country.

Not true. Section 23.1 of the Olympic Charter sets only French and English as official languages.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 28):
Does JJ or BA had such availability last minute ?

Why last minute? They've had 3 years to book the flight.
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:36 pm

TAM really missed a trick there didn't they, Varig wouldn't have made that mistake I don't think.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 27):
Should have just over nighted it on UPS.

That's what I was thinking, given the amount of Olympic ads we've had from them in the past month or two.
 
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RE: Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 30):
Why would it be "last minute" for the Rio delegation to get seats ? Ever since the 2016 Olympics were given to Rio it should have been known to The Brits and Brazilains a "Rio" delegation was coming to get the flag and for some one to plan for their departure the day after the closing ceremony.

I suspect that this is correct. However if the Brazilian delegation did not book their flight 3 years or perhaps even 3 months ago would we expect either BA or JJ to hold open enough seats indefinitely on the off chance that they might sell them to the Brazilian delegation? Of course both airlines could have tried the hard sell knowing the delegation had to travel. But if the Brazilians played hard ball . . . Well when you play hard ball you do not always win.

However what value would carrying the flag be to either BA or JJ. Certainly the BBC reported the flag's arrival at GIG but no mention of AF and most non-enthisiasts would not recognise the aircraft in the picture as belonging to AF:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19251427

Similarly in China as reported by Xinhua:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-08/14/c_131783349.htm

There was a photo but no mention of AF in the Irish Times:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0814/breaking15.html

No mention of AF or appropriate photo in the Aljazeera report:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/08/201281424020826627.html

No mention of AF or any photo in the report in the Independent or that by Fox News

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...own-on-brazilian-soil-8045816.html

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/spo...il-rousseff-receives-olympic-flag/

However who flew the flag is evident in the Reuter's video which is on both their own and the Yahoo News sites:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/08...rrives-in-brazil?videoId=237032135

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sports-1...ag-arrives-in-brazil-30280565.html

Perhaps if BA and/or JJ had the opportunity of scooping the flg's journey to B razil they made a wise decision? Or perhaps AF scooped this particular Gold Medal?