tioloko100
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China Takes Off But..........

Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:20 pm

It has become a known fact that China will be the next super power but is China not the super power now?
High increase in aviation activities in any country is always a good sign of positive increase in the overall economy.
And as Air China became the largest airline in the in the world last year and with the high increase in Private jet orders from the country it shows that not from now China might/will have the busiest airspace in the world but when discussing any environmental issue in China, it's always a struggle to decide which deserves more emphasis: how dire the situation is, or how hard Chinese authorities are trying to cope with it. China's skies, waters and even sources of food are some of the most poisonously contaminated on Earth. Its efforts to curtail pollution and develop cleaner energy sources are some of the world's most ambitious.
http://www.kittyhawker.com/articles/46/China-takes-off.html
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:11 pm

Air travel in China has yet to reach a level that compete with any of the more 'developed' countries. Sure the numbers are impressive in some ways, let's not forget we are talking about a country that is said to have a population of 1.5 billion (close enough). I do however think the epidemic air travel delays in China will continue for quite a while. Not because of inefficient air-traffic control or airspace per se, but the air space that is made available for civil aviation. It's certainly beyond the sole control of CAAC. But things will change, it's really just a matter of time.

Also, Air China is the largest airlines in the world? I don't think so. If I remembered correctly, Air China is the smallest of the three state-owned airlines in China.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting VC315 (Reply 1):
Also, Air China is the largest airlines in the world? I don't think so.

It is the largest by market capitalization.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...ver-airlines-idUSS1E78K20B20110921
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:24 pm

Air China is reportedly the most profitable airline in the world...
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Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:34 pm

Air China is also listed as a 4 star airline on Skytrak...and your point?  
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:44 pm

I was under the impression that China Southern and China Eastern are both bigger than Air China by passenger numbers...

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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:45 pm

Nearly all the Chinese carriers are primarily state owned, as is nearly all the domestic infrastructure--none of them are particularly well run, and they don't have to be w/ the implicit/explicit backing of the state. When/if the state ever deregulates aviation, there's going to be some unbelievable creative destruction, and I imagine a lot of domestic capacity disappearing.

Quoting VC315 (Reply 1):
It's certainly beyond the sole control of CAAC. But things will change, it's really just a matter of time.

  

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
It is the largest by market capitalization.
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 3):
Air China is reportedly the most profitable airline in the world...

I just don't know how meaningful any of that considering the govt tentacles in everything
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4):
Air China is also listed as a 4 star airline on Skytrak.

I wouldn't personally call them 5 star I flew them few times from and I don't see them to be giving that 5 star service especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 7):
I wouldn't personally call them 5 star I flew them few times from and I don't see them to be giving that 5 star service especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.

Sarcasm doesn't read well here. I was just saying just like some airlines can end up on top of Skytrak ratings... profits can be skewed.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I just don't know how meaningful any of that considering the govt tentacles in everything

You are correct. Really does not pertain to much as the reach of the Government is far and wide.

I was just pointing out that financially, it is listed as the "largest" carrier.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:28 am

Well I feel sometimes financial capacity of an airline can determine how its rated, given aviation business is highly capital intensive.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
I was just pointing out that financially, it is listed as the "largest" carrier.

well, financially, in terms of turnover p.a. all top 100 Chinese carriers combined made roughly 48 Billion US$.

In comparison, the No. 1 airline group in the world, lufthansa, made a bit over 40 billion US$.

Market capitalisation is a bubble. a book which sometimes slams into the faces.
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Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:50 am

I saw that past the editing time - I mean of course the Chinese carriers who are amongst the world top 100 carriers, not the top 100 Chinese carriers....
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 7):
especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.

What!? Okay, spill the beans - what is this all about?

I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.

Ethiopian Airline is state run and its profitable.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:59 am

ET is state owned, but run like a private enterprise. Always has been, even in the days when Ethiopia was ruled by a communist regime.

As long as owners understand that political ideology has no place in running companies and put the right people with the needed qualifications on top, it works. ET is a brilliant example of how an airline should be run.
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.

When it suits people, SQ is considered state run. I suppose you have a potential candidate there then? 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
with the high increase in Private jet orders from the country it shows that not from now China might/will have the busiest airspace in the world

There are less than 200 private jets in China, and more than 10,000 in the US. There are less than 200 airports in China, more than 15,000 in the US. China is far, far from having "the busiest airspace in the world". Parts of it are crowded because, as someone else has noted here, most of the airspace is closed to civilian aviation.
 
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RE: China Takes Off But..........

Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:56 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
As long as owners understand that political ideology has no place in running companies and put the right people with the needed qualifications on top, it works.

Thats what is needed in Nigeria