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Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:33 pm

Dear, can you please help me to recognize which airlines were the owners of these early 70s-80s B747?

Thank you very lmuch.

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the first 3 photos are from the same airliner, then the others are showing each time a different airliner.















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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:39 pm

Photo #4 looks like TW.

Photo #5 could be DL.

Photo's 1-3 look vaguely familiar but.....
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:40 pm

The green floor photo looks like the 747 prototype.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:15 pm

The last photo looks like the aft economy seating of Braniff's 747. The second and third photo look like they belong to the same airline, just with updated seating in the second picture.

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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:11 pm

I have seen the first 3 photos before but can't for the life of me remember the carrier: perhaps JAL in the first one (but I can't tell you why I think that!)

The lounge with the green carpet is interesting because I flew on a BA 747 in 1978 SFO-LHR that had the same lounge furniture (the alternating direction sofa in the centre is a very vivid memory because I slept on 1 during the overnight flight, aged 6) but I can't say if the colour scheme or the fabrics are BA for sure: perhaps same layout, different finishes in BA service?
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:37 pm

I agree--the gold cabin looks like the aft cabin of "Fat Albert." Each cabin had a name--"The green room", "the red room" and the "gold room." First class had blue seats but we were forbidden to call it "The Blue Room" because that is airline slang for lavatory. All of B zone and the upper deck were lounge areas with a stand up bar in the center forward bulkhead of the cabin. Working that position was a real deal because (unbeknownst to BI) we would discreetly display a tip cup. It paid for the first round of drinks in HNL. They would have skinned us slowly if they had known.

There was also a small TC lounge for a brief time in D zone just forward of door 4L.
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:38 pm

The second to last photo is a mock-up,
There are no oxygen drop-out panels, infact there are no sidewall panels at all - they look like singe-pieces whereas we all know airliner interiors are made of individual panels installed together... To say nothing of the furniture!

Even the earliest 747s had this sort of upper deck, which is nothing like the photo.

http://images60.fotki.com/v778/photos/2/211932/6090982/QANTAS747LOUNGE-vi.jpg

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Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:41 pm

The last one's color palette seems to go in-line with PSA's.

Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?

Cost and, lets be honest, if not tastefully done can look really gaudy/dated.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:39 pm

The first three photos are the First Class, early Business class and Economy class of a JAL 747, according to the book

"Boeing 747", by Hiroshi Seo, which I happen to have. The book was published in 1984.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
The last one's color palette seems to go in-line with PSA's.

But PSA didn't operate 747s, and their L-1011s were also a major mistake.

That also looks much like Wardair's interior with the colored wall panels (DC-10-30 below), but I'm quite sure that by the time Wardair put their first 747 into service (built for Braniff but not taken up), they were 10-abreast (3-4-3), not the early 9-abreast (3-4-2) economy configuration shown in that 747 photo.


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Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?

With so many aircraft now leased, it's much easier to move the aircraft to a new operator when leases expire if the interior requires as few major changes as possible.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:38 am

3rd to last pic is a Boeing mock-up.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:49 am

I think the picture that Crosswind has is of the proposed Alaska Airlines UD.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:24 am

Quoting jetdudetim (Reply 12):

That's Qantas.

Captain Cook Lounge I believe it was called
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:29 am

I almost want to say the last one is National Airlines. The Sun King airline  
Orange and yellow was their colors. But I remember their DC10s having green seats as well. Orange, Yellow and Green.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:45 am

The last photo is, without a doubt, Braniff's orange room 747 cabin. I have a seat map somewhere... or you can head over to Braniffpages.com.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:56 am

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 13):
That's Qantas.

Captain Cook Lounge I believe it was called

You can see a portrait of James Cook in the back of the cabin. Those wooden sailship-style railings are funny in a 747. And the table-stands are modeled after sailship masts, the tables itself showing old maps.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:39 am

It seems airlines were much more focussed on corporate identity and differentiation these days. It would be nice to have more marketing focussed airlines today...
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 17):

It seems airlines were much more focussed on corporate identity and differentiation these days. It would be nice to have more marketing focussed airlines today...

Absolutely. It was great back then. But the beancounters ruling everywhere now are an apparently irreversable pain in the a...
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:23 am

The first photo with the blue sleeper seats is probably Pan AM.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:28 am

Photo 6.

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I still have a tank top similar to that woman,remember to throw it out !!!
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:04 pm

The 4th picture is the Aer Lingus 747 lounge (EI-ASJ) , circa 1975.

Here is a link for a brief video view of this lounge ( about 3.15 mins into this video)...and the general working interior of this vintage 747.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzDFos6gR8
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:13 pm

I think that #5 is AA.
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):
I think that #5 is AA.

I initially thought that this photo was TW but agree it could also be AA. The only issue I have with these two possibilities is the number of windows. This is clearly a 200 series or one of the fairly rare 100's with the extra windows. I can't think of any 200's that were operated by AA although TW did operate a few. The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs. Not in their configuration anyway. There may well be others but I don't recall. With all of the varies leasing arrangements during this period I suppose there are any number of variables that would come into play.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:26 pm

Ahh, the days of 2-4-3 seating in the B747 and reasonable seat pitch!
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 23):
The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs.

Delta too had the extra windows on the top of their 100's.

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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 2):
The green floor photo looks like the 747 prototype.

I was just in that plane last month. The full length couch at the back is more of a tan/brown in the prototype. But, that photo above isn't all that great, so it's hard to tell if it is or not. The carpet doesn't look the same though. Here's the prototype upstairs lounge:


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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 26):
I was just in that plane last month. The full length couch at the back is more of a tan/brown in the prototype. But, that photo above isn't all that great, so it's hard to tell if it is or not. The carpet doesn't look the same though. Here's the prototype upstairs lounge:

Looks roughly similar. I doubt the upholstery/carpeting is the same as it was 40 years ago, the carpet especially doesn't look that old.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 25):
Delta too had the extra windows on the top of their 100's.

You are correct. The 747-132 came in both versions.

ship 101 l/n 72 - 3 windows
ship 102 l/n 82 - 3 windows
ship 103 l/n 94 - 3 windows
ship 104 l/n 155 - 8 windows
ship 105 l/n 159 - 8 windows

Somewhere around here I have the data indicating at what line number the extra windows on the 100 became available.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:33 pm

 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 27):
Looks roughly similar. I doubt the upholstery/carpeting is the same as it was 40 years ago, the carpet especially doesn't look that old.

I'm pretty sure that's the original interior. Given the state of the rest of the plane I don't think Boeing changed much, if anything after they finished flight testing that aircraft. It still has the ballast barrels in the main cabin area.
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 25):
The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs.

Northwest Orient had their original 747-100's rerofitted with the extra upper deck windows. The two former National aircraft that NW bought (N620US and N621US) were also retrofitted. If you look closely at photos of the early 74's at NW you can see where the metal window strip was changed. The other panels did not match.
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
3rd to last pic is a Boeing mock-up.

I think 5,6 and 7 are mockups. Five might be a real airplane, but those table legs do not look attached. Sixes' galley and sidewall next to the door do not look like real aircraft. Seven was defined above.



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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
The first photo with the blue sleeper seats is probably Pan Am.

No it's definitely not Pan Am. They didn't use that model of seat and the interior colors aren't Pan Am.
 
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:51 am

It does look like JAL seats and wallpaper:


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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:15 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 32):
Five might be a real airplane, but those table legs do not look attached

You're right! That silver table is on casters! Maybe it was a fold up table that could be stowed and taken out when needed? But then again you really wouldn't want it rolling about the cabin during flight.
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:40 pm

Dear all,

I thank you very much for your answers.

After verifying in my archives, book and elsewhere, you are right;

N°1, 2, 3 are Japan air Lines.
N°4 AER Lingus,
N°5 ??? at this time, I have no answer but may be Delta.
N°6, 7, I think it these are mock-up,
N°8 Braniff, it is sure.

N°5 is a mystery, I will continue my search...

Yhanks a lot regards DID747

   
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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:33 pm

#5 is definitely not DL. DL's upper seating area was split, longitudally, with open seating on the right side and a private area (which could be booked as a whole) on the left side (as you faced the front).



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RE: Do You Recognize These 747?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:51 pm

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