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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:17 pm

I didnt see this topic anywhere, but if it is a duplicate please delete.

Looks like it's leaning to the MAX since they are a current 737 operator.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-considering-737-max-order-375531/
 
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Thread starter):
Looks like it's leaning to the MAX since they are a current 737 operator.

It seems like it. Of course they have to check out the competition and they will take an Airbus offer if it's good enough, but I agree that this is Boeing's order to lose.
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:41 pm

Quote:
"Since we are committed to the 737, the Max makes more sense"

How clever to say something like this during the procurement process.  
 
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:42 pm

Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.
 
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):

Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.

To get a sweeter deal out of Airbus by saying that.. and then to let Boeing know that's what's happening by saying this in the press... quite clever really.
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.

1 - Because they're already an Airbus customer?

2 - Why wouldn't they?
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
1 - Because they're already an Airbus customer?

Well then it makes sense. But why say what they did about Boeing then and nothing about Airbus?
 
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:32 am

Quoting osiris30 (Reply 4):
To get a sweeter deal out of Airbus by saying that.. and then to let Boeing know that's what's happening by saying this in the press... quite clever really.

Or to get a letter from Airbus thanking them for their RFP and saying that they are not interested. I wonder how much it costs Airbus to respond to the RFP?
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:58 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Or to get a letter from Airbus thanking them for their RFP and saying that they are not interested. I wonder how much it costs Airbus to respond to the RFP

I would expect that Boeing offering a real good sale price to ET for MAX jets, given the substantial 787 delays
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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 6):
Well then it makes sense. But why say what they did about Boeing then and nothing about Airbus?

As of today, ET is exclusively a Boeing customer for all jets in both pax and cargo operations. Fleet consists of:

- 5x 77L
- 12x 763ER
- 6 or 7x 752ER
- 12x 73W/738
- 2x 757F
- 2x MD11F
- 2x 747F (wet leased from Southern Air)

However, they have ordered 12x A350s so that should be the first Airbus in ET fleet.

AIrbus has approached ET many times before and I expect them to continue to do so in the future. ET is not big but I would not think either OEM is going to ignore them, especially if their plan of being the largest carrier in Africa do pan out. And that doesn't even include their plans to create regional carriers throughout Africa, which should give the ET group a similar footprint as a LAN in Latin America, for instance.

The CEO's words, I am pretty sure, are not intended to put Boeing on notice. ET (and in fact Ethiopia) is FULL of Boeing fanboys and fangirls so his point should really be taken at face value. MAX has the advantage but NEO will be looked at, nothing more, nothing less. ET is very loyal to Boeing, and that is probably an understatement.

So how did they order the A350s? I don't have insider info but my guess is that:
1) they liked the specs AND
2) Airbus put forth an offer ET couldn't refuse
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
ET is not big but I would not think either OEM is going to ignore them, especially if their plan of being the largest carrier in Africa do pan out

Absolutely. I think that if they grow according to the plan, you will see frequesnt visitors from both manufacturers as well as our Canadian and Brazilian friends.

Is the A-350 order for the 900 0r 1000?
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 10):
Is the A-350 order for the 900 0r 1000?

900 variant for right now and EIS in 2017.
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:52 am

What competition does ET face from within Africa itself?
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
ET is very loyal to Boeing, and that is probably an understatement.

According to this source the A350 order was designed to be (also) a wake-up call that they can order aircrafts somewhere else.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...st-carrier-in-africa-by-2025-62041
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 13):
According to this source the A350 order was designed to be (also) a wake-up call that they can order aircrafts somewhere else.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...62041

Not sure, perhaps Boeing did take ET for granted, I don't know. Certainly, ET like all other 787 customers was not happy with the many delays.
The argument went that ET is now big enough where it could justify planes from different vendors. This happened under the previous CEO; I think he was the only who could have made that happen as he was the architect of the new surge by ET starting in the early 2000s.
 
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RE: Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
As of today, ET is exclusively a Boeing customer for all jets in both pax and cargo operations. Fleet consists of:

- 5x 77L
- 12x 763ER
- 6 or 7x 752ER
- 12x 73W/738
- 2x 757F
- 2x MD11F
- 2x 747F (wet leased from Southern Air)

And one 787-8.  

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