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Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:21 pm

Greetings to all A.net patrons!

Welcome to the 101st instalment of Caribbean Aviation!! After achieving 100 threads, the Caribbean's overwhelming success in the recently concluded London 2012 Olympics could not have come at a better time. CONGRATULATIONS to all Caribbean athletes that put the region on the map once again.







*****News Feed*******
Bahamas Ministry of Toursim going after the Latin American market
POS keeps Category 1 status after FAA Audit
LI reaches decision on fleet renewal - unconfirmed rumours ATR was selected.
Former BW CEO Capt Ian Brunton named new LI CEO
WS to start YYZ-ANU 2x weekly and YYZ-CUR weekly starting Oct. 28
JM brand to be retired after staunch order from FAA/TTCAA authorities
9Y-JMA recieves "re-touching" with CAL titles
Conviasa orders 20 E-190s (many possible Caribbean routings)
EZjet inaugurates weekly nonstop GEO-YYZ (July 16)
BW takes delivery of 3rd ATR 72-600 (9Y-TTC)
BW reignites negotiations for jet fleet renewal
PY looking at replacing A343 with B763
BW to take delivery of its own 763s on Aug 21 and 24.
BA to offer F class product on UVF, BGI, POS and BDA from LGW
KL to put A332 equipment on existing Caribbean routes from AMS.




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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:28 pm

Here is a picture taken of 9Y-TTC by one of CAL's maintenance engineers

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Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:03 am

Congratulation to all caribbean athletes! we know how hard is to keep fighting for medals even though some of them can not really count on sponsors etc... I saw a pic from Grenadians celebrating their first gold medal in history, I could feel their happiness coming from the pic!
 
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:53 am

Congratulations to all West Indian Olympic winning athletes.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/busin...AL_jet__no_injuries-166616486.html

Another incident on the 525 formerly 523. This is the same flight that PBM was running when it crashed. That flight is scheduled to arrive at 1:35am, I wonder it if hit an owl!! Great that all's well that ends well.

Good to see that another ATR has arrived. I hope that it helps ease the stress on the airbridge. How many ATR's will CAL be getting now?

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 3):
How many ATR's will CAL be getting now?

They've decided to take on only 3 additional birds inclusive of 9Y-TTC. I'm hearing a 6th may be taken as well, but that's just another one of those unsubstantiated rumours.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:35 am

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):

Thanks for the new forum and congrats to all the athletes of the Caribbean on a job well done.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 3):
How many ATR's will CAL be getting now?
Quoting BW424 (Reply 4):
They've decided to take on only 3 additional birds inclusive of 9Y-TTC. I'm hearing a 6th may be taken as well, but that's just another one of those unsubstantiated rumours.

The way I understood it was for the airline to take 6 and sell of the last 3, but we know how things go with these talks.

Quoting A388 (Reply 235):
I started a separate thread abouth this as it has been discussed several times in the past, KL will start A330 flights to the Caribbean starting this winter season (October 28th). The frequencies are as follows (qouting member HB-IWC):

Thanks for the info, with the retirements of the MD11 we may see more A333 flying from KLM in the future?

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 233):
I read this article and had to laugh. This guy might as well just say the GCAA is incompetent rather than "beating around the bushes". He should have told us who the industry observer is, or is he just making the observations himself?

Not sure why he keeps doing this, he has an agenda and I am not sure what it is. He has turned the business section of the newspaper into tabloid gossip about anything aviation in the Caribbean.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:57 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 4):
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 5):

Thanks for the update guys. CAL seems to be doing great with flights, at any time I go on flightaware there are up to a dozen or more flights in the air. I hope things begin to turn around.

Good that T&T maintained Cat 1, didn't realize there was a possibility of a downgrade, but sometimes you never know. Any news of the loads on the LGW flights? Now that the Olympics is over and summer is winding down we will get a better perspective of how that flight will do. In addition, with the arrival of CAL's 763's costs will go down substantially I assume.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:56 am

Thanks for starting the new thread BW424. Also congrats to all the caribbean athletes!

Great to see the third ATR getting delievered, but why does it still have the small air jamaica title on it? Also is -JMA full CAL livery or just a interim livery? Any pics of it?
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 7):
Also is -JMA full CAL livery or just a interim livery? Any pics of it?
9Y-JMA now with Caribbean Airline titles.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting 9YCAL (Reply 8):

Thanks for that! Thought they would have done a bit more than that.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):
Thanks for that! Thought they would have done a bit more than that.

Well, from what I've heard, the CAL livery may be applied outside POS. Also, as a result of Nicholas' stupidity, those JM liveries are painted for the most part and not highly detailed decals as with the CAL livery. Before the whole Nicholas fiasco, I remember Inbound talking about a revised CAL livery altogether to incorporate the takeover of KIN routes. That may be back on the cards.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 7):
Thanks for starting the new thread BW424.
Quoting BW424 (Reply 4):
Thanks for the new forum

Most welcome guys!

Also, 9Y-SXM has had T&T's Keshorn Walcott's name applied to the lower nose section of its fuselage along with a 50 yrs independence logo. I'm okay with it, but shouldn't there be the same for Usain Bolt seeing that CAL is also the flag carrier for Jamaica? Another reason why politicians should keep their traps closed.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 10):
but shouldn't there be the same for Usain Bolt seeing that CAL is also the flag carrier for Jamaica?

Maybe they can put Usain Bolt on the second white tail in the fleet, 9Y-MBJ.
 
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 10):
9Y-SXM has had T&T's Keshorn Walcott's name applied to the lower nose section of its fuselage

Now that Walcott has one what about Bolt and Blake from Jamaica and James from Grenada should they not be honored since CAL is supposed to be the airline of the Caribbean
 
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 6):

Well BA cutting its POS down to 5X shows BW must be making a bite.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 12):

yes they should also honor Bolt and James. If they do not do so that will merely confirm the suspicions of those who think that they should rename it "Trinidad Airlines". After all Jamaica did very well. 4 GOLDS!!!!
 
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 13):
Well BA cutting its POS down to 5X shows BW must be making a bite.

I think it's to early to determine that. If the service reduces further, then we can say so. This is just BA adjusting frequency to seasonal demand. The service operated at 5x weekly for a long period before being increased to daily for a short while.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 13):
f they do not do so that will merely confirm the suspicions of those who think that they should rename it "Trinidad Airlines". After all Jamaica did very well. 4 GOLDS!!!!

This is just the work of incompetent politicians who don't allow things to be run as they should.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:18 am

Here is 9Y-SXM with her additional markings...........really...they need to do the same for all Caribbean athletes that medaled if they did this..



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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 14):


Thats the problem when politicians and not marketing people determine the airline's image.

Now they could have had a campaign celebrating the Caribbean icons...Bolt for winning six consecutive golds in two Olympics, Keshorn Walcott for breaking grounde in a sport that Caribbean athletes normally dont excel, and James for being the first OECS athlete to win the gold. Jamaica, TRinidad and Grenada...three of its four core markets.

Instead Kamla wants to play election politics by taking credit for Walcott.


POS has been a tag on to UVF for a bit of time. What ever UVF got POS got, but now POS is down to 5X. If POS is a business route it should show different patterns of seasonality and indeed the last quarter should be a strong period as busineses wind down the year and prep for 2013. If CAL does do 3X, depending on the days these flights operate, they shouild peal off some of this traffic as the nonstop will save more than one hour. 2X is too low to be credible in the business market.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
BW to take delivery of its own 763s on Aug 21 and 24.

Any news on whether those are POS arrival dates or just delivery dates in Mexico? Nice if someone can post pics of their arrival in POS.

Wouldn't it be wise for BW to get some 737 MAX 7 series (together with the MAX 8) for their thinner routes, assuming that they are going with the 737 for their fleet renewal? Surely they are planning on expanding by the time the new fleet arrives.

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Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 16):

POS has been a tag on to UVF for a bit of time. What ever UVF got POS got, but now POS is down to 5X. If POS is a business route it should show different patterns of seasonality and indeed the last quarter should be a strong period as busineses wind down the year and prep for 2013. If CAL does do 3X, depending on the days these flights operate, they shouild peal off some of this traffic as the nonstop will save more than one hour. 2X is too low to be credible in the business market.

One wonders, if UVF remains daily and POS is down to 5 weekly (plus GND remains with one flight weekly via UVF), where will the 7th flight go on to, or will it terminate in UVF? A UVF terminator could surely work for the tourist high season (Winter) after all, or else BA may reshuffle their routes a bit and perhaps fly all GND flights via St. Lucia. One also wonders whether TAB would see an increase in frequency over the winter. As for new BW and their LGW services, they do seem to be picking up so all the best with that.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 16):
Instead Kamla wants to play election politics by taking credit for Walcott.
Quoting BW424 (Reply 15):
they need to do the same for all Caribbean athletes that medaled if they did this..

I would not even bother talking about it, because its cheap political score points for a party in serious problems, all islands should be represented but....

Quoting BW424 (Reply 14):
think it's to early to determine that. If the service reduces further, then we can say so. This is just BA adjusting frequency to seasonal demand.
Quoting guyanam (Reply 16):
If POS is a business route it should show different patterns of seasonality and indeed the last quarter should be a strong period as busineses wind down the year and prep for 2013. If CAL does do 3X, depending on the days these flights operate, they shouild peal off some of this traffic as the nonstop will save more than one hour. 2X is too low to be credible in the business market.

The UK Statistics show this from LGW for June

Total Scheduled Charter Total Scheduled Charter

(2012)Total Scheduled Charter Total Scheduled Charter % Change of Total
PORT OF SPAIN 11 554 11 554 - 6 784 6 784 - 70%
Trini AND Toba 14 569 13 394 1 175 10 169 8 876 1 293 43%

JAMAICA
KINGSTON 6 483 6 483 - 9 653 9 653 - -33%
MONTEGO BAY 10 618 7 233 3 385 13 137 9 776 3 361 -19%

ST LUCIA
(HEWANORRA) 7 562 7 562 - 10 506 10 506 - -28%

Quoting guyanam (Reply 16):
POS has been a tag on to UVF for a bit of time. What ever UVF got POS got, but now POS is down to 5X.
Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
One wonders, if UVF remains daily and POS is down to 5 weekly (plus GND remains with one flight weekly via UVF), where will the 7th flight go on to, or will it terminate in UVF?

Well the 7th flight is indeed a nonstop to UVF operating on Sundays.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):
One also wonders whether TAB would see an increase in frequency over the winter. As for new BW and their LGW services, they do seem to be picking up so all the best with that.

Well VS will have 2w 747 to TAB tagged to GND, BA still has 1w in the winter schedule.
It was mentioned that Christmas CAL flights already have very heavy loads at 4w and the fall bookings are said to be solid. I truly want this route to succeed because the airline's operations depends on it.

I pulled this up from the PANYNJ today, which posted the June figures for JFK and all NYC airports and mentioned this
"YTD June International and domestic traffic grew 3.5% and 4.6% respectively, led by Caribbean Air and JetBlue."
JFK.PDF" target="_blank">http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/JUN2012_JFK.PDF
Most of the growth was from KIN and GEO with POS and GND rounding up the rear.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting trintocan (Reply 18):

Looking at their winter BA does LGw UVF POS ex we, su, and into GND instead on the other days. Apparently the We extension from ANU will now terminate there. TAB remains 1x via ANU.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 19):

Crains New York, using data pulled from panynj, reports that CAL did 682k in the 12months ending may/2012. This represented a 2% increase over the prior year. The prior year comparison was a combination of Air Ja and CAL.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Just booked my MIA-POS-GEO for late September on CAL and was surpirsed to find the GEO sector almost full already.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):

There is Guyexpo at the end of Sept, maybe you could visit that, and if you haven't done so already try to visit Kaieteur Falls, it's worth the time. Pegasus and Princess hotels are the better hotels, Princess has a casino if you're into that. There are lots of Eco stuff to do, check out Wonderland Tours, they are good, and Iwokrama is also a great place to visit, if you have the time.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):

Great yellowtail! Hope you enjoy your time in GEO and also the flight on CAL when the time comes. Hoping for a trip report if possible 

Ill be heading back to the uk in mid september on BA as usual and either svg air or flymontserrat, still havent decided yet, but Svg usually goes out full these days so might have to take flym.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 20):

Looking at their winter BA does LGw UVF POS ex we, su, and into GND instead on the other days. Apparently the We extension from ANU will now terminate there. TAB remains 1x via ANU.

Well that is interesting, for all those who considered ANU ready for a First product from BA, this could well be the opportunity for that to happen. ANU has remained very solid from the UK.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 23):
Great yellowtail! Hope you enjoy your time in GEO and also the flight on CAL when the time comes. Hoping for a trip report if possible 

for the most part my CAL flights have always been good...but will be interesting flyign them to GEO and then PBM (Oct). Guess I should sign up for their FF program the way things are going.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 25):

Brazilians started to report they made it to Belize without visa on travel forums  it's finally happening, can't believe I'll fulfill my dream of visiting the cays in a few months! with tropic air of course!

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 23):
Ill be heading back to the uk in mid september on BA as usual and either svg air or flymontserrat, still havent decided yet, but Svg usually goes out full these days so might have to take flym.

SVG and FLYM got the same price on this leg?
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 26):

Not really, svg is actually cheaper by about 20 US or so. Flymontserrat has prices at about 70US, yes 70 US, not a typo! Its that expensive for a 15 minute and 27 mile flight. Flymontserrat is a strange airline trust me.
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 27):

hmmm I see, I've seen it's "easier" to book with flymontserrat, with svg you gotta call right? haven't seen their buy online tool....
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:49 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 28):

Very true their booking engine seems alot easier, however when I tried last year before I left for the uk it wasnt working too well (maybe because I was booking from MNI when they have a ticket office). Either way im sure youll be able to book online with them. As for svg, i think you do have to call them to make a booking, because the site looks a bit dated.

http://www.abm-air.com/index.html

Well I would recommend svg, but if your looking for a bit of a adrenaline rush on approach to MNI you can take Flym. I wont say why, might ruin it for you and anyone else who wants to fly here! Dont worry its nothing bad.

Its too bad you couldnt make it for this summer while im here, could have met up and shown you around. Might not be able to make it here in 2013.
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 26):
Brazilians started to report they made it to Belize without visa on travel forums  it's finally happening, can't believe I'll fulfill my dream of visiting the cays in a few months! with tropic air of course!

Only countries left in this hemisphere that need visas for Belize now are Bolivia, Colombia and Peru and we are working on those. Those should be ready early next year. Was better to get Brazil, Argentina and Chile taken care of so my friend AndreFrance can come visit 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 24):

ANU is an upmarket product in the USA so there is no reason why it isnt in the UK. The only issue is whether it generates enough of this as its UK arrivals are less than 1/3 of BGI's. As some one mentioned much of the tag ons to ANU are either VFR (SKB), mass market (PUJ) and passengers headed to a cruise (SJU).
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 19):
I would not even bother talking about it, because its cheap political score points for a party in serious problems, all islands should be represented but....
Quoting guyanam (Reply 16):
Thats the problem when politicians and not marketing people determine the airline's image.

Agreed......it's really a BIG shame how far down CAL's autonomy has descended. Kamla basically pulled another infamous Nicholas announcement on CAL........forcing the airline to make happen whatever she said in a specific time frame, even though it is not in the best interest/taste of the company.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
Just booked my MIA-POS-GEO for late September on CAL and was surpirsed to find the GEO sector almost full already.

Cool. I should be doing a short MIA-POS trip in early to mid Sept.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 17):
Any news on whether those are POS arrival dates or just delivery dates in Mexico? Nice if someone can post pics of their arrival in POS.

Well, the dates have been somewhat pushed back. Hearing that the 763s will be arriving later this week/ early next week.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 17):
Wouldn't it be wise for BW to get some 737 MAX 7 series (together with the MAX 8) for their thinner routes, assuming that they are going with the 737 for their fleet renewal? Surely they are planning on expanding by the time the new fleet arrives.

Well, the 737-7 MAX will most likely have a higher CASM than the 737-8 MAX as a result of its lower seat count. Recent orders for the B73G has been low to non-existent, with carriers opting to stick with the 738, replace existing B73Gs with 738s or upgrade to the B739ER for high density routes. The 738 has proven to be the sweet spot of the B737NG series and I suspect the 737-8 MAX will be no different. That said, the MAX series of 737 aircraft is still very much unproven and the lead time is still somewhat large.



In other news, I'm hearing two JM painted 738s will be heading to ATL for their heavy checks next month. I'm guessing a full livery redo will be done there as well.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 33):
Well, the 737-7 MAX will most likely have a higher CASM than the 737-8 MAX as a result of its lower seat count. Recent orders for the B73G has been low to non-existent, with carriers opting to stick with the 738, replace existing B73Gs with 738s or upgrade to the B739ER for high density routes. The 738 has proven to be the sweet spot of the B737NG series and I suspect the 737-8 MAX will be no different. That said, the MAX series of 737 aircraft is still very much unproven and the lead time is still somewhat large.

Agreed, I know it's much too early to be discussing this, but I was just thinking out loud. In your opinion can you see BW going to Airbus?

Quoting BW424 (Reply 33):
In other news, I'm hearing two JM painted 738s will be heading to ATL for their heavy checks next month. I'm guessing a full livery redo will be done there as well.

Good timing, as the summer season will be over. Any a/c being brought in to fill the void, like TJR or TJS, or are they still in the fleet?

Quoting BW424 (Reply 33):
Well, the dates have been somewhat pushed back. Hearing that the 763s will be arriving later this week/ early next week.

I am planning JFK-GEO shortly, shame they probably won't be working on that route yet.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:37 am

http://www.airlinereporter.com/tag/united-airlines/

Nice article and pics of United's first 787. Looking forward to one in CAL's colours.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 34):
Agreed, I know it's much too early to be discussing this, but I was just thinking out loud. In your opinion can you see BW going to Airbus?

Hey man, my apologies if it seemed as if I was shooting you down on your comment. That was certainly not the intent as it was meant to be a harmless reply. As for your second question, anything can happen as it pertains to fleet choice. Assuming that BW still has the majority of it's key persons in fleet renewal exercises, though there will be an expected lean to Boeing with the exceptional experience the airline has had with their current B738s, any real professional in a fleet renewal exercise will take a hard look at the competing product. In this case, it is Boeing's ball to drop. Transitioning from B738s to B737-8MAXs should be effortless; however, Airbus is known for swinging traditional Boeing customers. One only has to look at Easyjet, Yemenia, Aegean and more recently Qantas. So its left to be seen who they will pick whenever that occurs.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 34):
Good timing, as the summer season will be over. Any a/c being brought in to fill the void, like TJR or TJS, or are they still in the fleet?

Haven't heard much more concerning replacement a/c. I assume TJR will stay on. It's been more than a year since she's been with BW from HV. Pretty impressive relationship between the two carriers.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 34):
I am planning JFK-GEO shortly, shame they probably won't be working on that route yet.

Hey, you never know.....BW's B763s are supposed to be pushed into revenue service in September, so have your fingers crossed!
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:59 pm

Noticed on BW schedule that they will increase ANU/KIN to 3X weekly from the beginning of November through mid December and that the routing of the Friday flight will be POS/BGI/ANU/KIN/ANU/BGI/POS (the old milk run?) as opposed to POS/ANU/KIN/ANU/POS on the other days. Its not exactly peak period.....any information on this schedule change?
 
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting wadadli (Reply 37):

Are there any special events in ANU in that period? Maybe Jamaicans going home for the holidays? Tht extra th flightis POS ANU KIN. There is a nonstop POS KIN continuing on to MCO that day.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
Only countries left in this hemisphere that need visas for Belize now are Bolivia, Colombia and Peru and we are working on those.

It'd be quite interesting to know if Mexico and/or Guatemala do require visas for nationals from those South American countries.
Not quite sure how Mexicans would react to a huge increase of Peruvians or Bolivians crossing illegally from Belize if Belize is too easy to fly into for Peruvians and Bolivians..
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):

Answering your question on the Brazilian perspective, We didn't use to need visas to Mexico, but from a few years until now, many brazilians started being able to afford tickets! and many used the excuse of visiting Mexico and then crossing illegally to the USA!

Under pressure, Mexico started to ask Brazilians visa, so did Brazil for mexicans! but after economy crises, people here are "put off by the fake and longtime standing American dreaaammmmmm" visa obligation was lifted and there's now 2 exceptions! 1st if you got valid USA visa you're no longer required to have mexican visa, if not, you can apply online for e short stay mexican visa, if you get denied (which rarely happens) then you'll need to apply in person on the consulate!

A friend of mine who's public servant with quite HIGH salary was refused entry in Mexico few years ago, she was backpacking through central america, she didn't have american visa and the border officers though she was trying to make it into the USA, needless to say, it was hard to her and until today she tells her horror story about the crossing! she was told by the officer "million of people come from all over the world to cross the border, why can't you be one of them?"
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
Not quite sure how Mexicans would react to a huge increase of Peruvians or Bolivians crossing illegally from Belize if Belize is too easy to fly into for Peruvians and Bolivians..

As far as I am concerned, each country's immigration and border protection agency, should bear the burden of policing its own borders. Belize or Guatemala for example, should not be in the business (at the expense of its tourism industry) of helping the US to police its borders.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 40):
"million of people come from all over the world to cross the border, why can't you be one of them?"

And he is right, but at the same time he should have exercised some discretion.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:49 pm

And, WS keeps on expanding. Daily to POS!

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
And he is right, but at the same time he should have exercised some discretion.

True, but we know these guys deal with power and some of them overuse it! remember I told my horror story with Barbados immigration? I had tickets, I had the money, reservations but the "simple" fact of visiting Jamaica turned me into a "virtual brazilian mule"LOL which was not true but still, the supervisor wanted to make it clear his decision was NO, and that's it!

Ex: A colleague of mine who's immigration officer here in MAO told a trini pax literally to F*** off, due to the pax "misbehavior" the pax was told to wait standing for almost 1 hour until EVERY SINGLE pax got into the plane.

By the way any bajan here? how's the story of the 2 jamaican women who alleged they were raped in BGI? true? false? these were noisy news mainly on jamaica.

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 42):
And, WS keeps on expanding. Daily to POS!

I'm waiting to check their fares, WS is ripping off travelers with their fares lately!
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 42):
And, WS keeps on expanding. Daily to POS!

Yep, services start November 16th, 2012 and are bookable through April. I'm pretty impressed by the status update on their fb page to introduce the service........I guess some Trini wrote it...lol.

It says, "Eh-eh, all yuh Trinis ready to Lime?"

WS is what I consider very healthy competition.......not some fly-by-night operators that start up because of some misplaced grudge..   
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 44):

IMO daily is way to much and we already know how aggressive CAL gets into POS with competition, but I agree that I consider WS or B6 competition rather than some fly by night CEO complaining of unfair competition or another airline with an ax to grind.

Here in MIA we are expecting conditions to worsen as Isaac nears.
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:29 pm

Point of note....

Flight numbers from AA into POS have changed with the exception of the afternoon POS-MIA sector, AA 1668.

AA1819/1818 is now AA1663/2282
AA1647/1668 is now AA1167/1668
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 45):
IMO daily is way to much and we already know how aggressive CAL gets into POS with competition, but I agree that I consider WS or B6 competition rather than some fly by night CEO complaining of unfair competition or another airline with an ax to grind.

Here in MIA we are expecting conditions to worsen as Isaac nears.

I guess WS is confident the market will respond enough to warrant such regular service. Westjet is a real threat with the pending introduction of their new premium economy cabin.

As for Issac, I too am preparing for it as it is now expected to reach Cat 1 hurricane status by the time it reaches South Florida.


I'm now hearing the first B763 for BW will be in POS this coming Tuesday.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 45):
Here in MIA we are expecting conditions to worsen as Isaac nears.

Please stay safe. Competition is healthy, unfortunately there is nothing they can do, they will have to suck it up.

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 47):
As for Issac, I too am preparing for it as it is now expected to reach Cat 1 hurricane status by the time it reaches South Florida.


I'm now hearing the first B763 for BW will be in POS this coming Tuesday.

Wow that is going to be rough, please stay safe.

Good news on the BW 763, I am anxious to see pics of the 763 in POS and live in GEO.

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