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How Many Times Have Pax Been Asked To Pay For Fuel?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:17 pm

I was reading the thread about the Air France flight that landed in Damascus where the passengers had to cough up gas money for it to leave. That's happened before a bunch of times before and I thought that documenting those occurrences should warrant it's own thread.

I found this Comtel Air flight in 2011 whose passengers were forced to cough up $37,000 to refuel in Zurich:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/11/18/...xtra-37000-in-cash-for-fuel-costs/

Also, haven't we heard of food service refusing to stock an aircraft because of the insolvency or the perceived insolvency of an airline? We should talk about that too.

[Edited 2012-08-17 15:45:23]

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Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:06 am

The user would like to discuss similar occurrences of the same situation, which is not confined to the Air France flight which was diverted to Damascus. This warrants its own thread as such a discussion would hijack the current "Air France to Damascus" thread.

Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

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Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:04 am

Right after the colapse of teh Soviet Union, this became routine practice and I remember pilots used to carry cash and paid for fuel at the spot. The situation at the time was chaotic and probably the airport gas providers didn't trust the owners of the newly born airlines which were so many and in the hundreds. Some of the new airlines didn't even have real owners. Pilots and individuals chartered the planes and started operating them on several routes.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:51 am

Didn't Kenya Airways (or other African airline) have a situation at LHR where the fueling company demanded cash to fuel the plane some years ago? I believe the aircraft was a DC-10.
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:05 pm

It happened on a Twa hijacking. Flight 847 was refueled in Algiers. One of the flight attendents used her Shell Oil card to buy $5500 in fuel.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting panpan (Thread starter):
I was reading the thread about the Air France flight that landed in Damascus where the passengers had to cough up gas money for it to leave.

The passengers did not have to cough up any money for fuel.

The crew ask the passengers to check how much cash they had on hand because of the possibility of having to pay cash for fuel.

The airline was able to work out a payment for fuel in a nation where Air France is currently not welcome, nor has current credit arrangements.

The usual way something like this works out is that a sister airline will pay for the fuel, and the aircraft airline will reimburse them.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 1):

Thanks for the thread rename. I'd been scratching my head trying to think of a better one and the one you came up with is much better than the original.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:16 pm

The times that I've seen reported aircraft unable to fly because the airline credit / credit card was not accepted for fuel purchase is almost always a relatively small airline flying charter or leisure type flights.

Usually because the airline is behind in payments to the fuel supplier at the airport.

I've only heard of a couple instances where passengers actually raised the money to pay for fuel - in both cases it was because the pax were trapped without alternate airlines with routes to get home.

Raising money to pay for fuel was much cheaper than booking alternate travel arrangements.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:23 pm

Slightly off-topic but related. When I was a U.S. Air Force officer during the 1960s, a neighbor of mine in the officers' housing area on base was senior officer and aircraft commander aboard a U.S.A.F. transport plane that landed at an African airport for fuel. He had all the paperwork for billing the U.S. government for the fuel, but the local airport authorities refused to accept the paperwork and refused to allow the plane to depart without payment. My neighbor noticed that the company logo on the fuel truck was one for which he had a personal credit card (I think Texaco, but my memory may be playing me false on that). So he took out the gasoline credit card from his wallet, and asked the airport authorities if he could pay with it. The airport authorities became all smiles and cordiality, and said "certainly." So he arrived back in the States with an utterly enormous charge on his personal gasoline credit card - wondering how he could get reimbursed for it. He did get reimbursed, but was a bit anxious for a few days.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:26 pm

We had something similar occur back in 1972 in Calcutta with a US Navy C-121J - where the pilot used an Amex card.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):
We had something similar occur back in 1972 in Calcutta with a US Navy C-121J - where the pilot used an Amex card.

Was there no credit between the two countries in 1972..........Or was this post the 1971 liberation war of bangladesh....
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:36 pm

Sorry - I mixed up my dates slightly - it was late October 1973.

The story we got was that two outstanding bills at the airport the US government had not yet paid, and they were not willing to accept any more. The pilot - a 22 year LCDR - called American Express and then told them to put the bill for fuel and oil (a Connie needs 40-60 gallons of oil at a fuel stop) on his card.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:38 pm

I don't recall the airline but my dad mentioned that back in the 70s or early 80s one of the carriers that flew into IAH when he was there had such bad credit the pilot had to carry a briefcase full of cash as the fuelers were instructed not to accept their credit accounts.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
Didn't Kenya Airways (or other African airline) have a situation at LHR where the fueling company demanded cash to fuel the plane some years ago? I believe the aircraft was a DC-10
Quoting panpan (Thread starter):
Also, haven't we heard of food service refusing to stock an aircraft because of the insolvency or the perceived insolvency of an airline? We should talk about that too.

I was a fledgling travel agent working at a bucket shop, we sold a lot of tickets on Zambia Airways, and I guess their last few flights operated out of JFK were w/o drinks and other cabin amenities because of local currency issues, so passengers ponied up the money to purchase items needed for the flight. Mid to late 80's?
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:52 pm

I was on a DC-3 in 91 where the pilot took up a collection to pay some guy with a handcart full of batteries for a jumpstart. He had some nervous passengers to Pointe Noire.
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Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:28 pm

When the Iranian revolution happened at the end of 1978, Gulf Air was chartered by the Shell company to fly out all their staff. We flew them on B732 to Bahrain or Dubai, then on a Tristar to Larnaca.
I was a flying spanner/dogsbody on the B737 and made 3 visits to Abadan. The first on 1 Jan 1979.
The first visit we called the tower for landing, but no response, so we circled round and landed. We didn't need fuel, we had built in airstairs, and the APU was working (or we would not have landed). The FO and I loaded the baggage, and the passengers got on. Then a man from the ministry arrived demanding cash for our landing fees!! The Capt had a GF wallet, and together with the cash in the rest of the crew's wallets, we had enough.
When we lifted off for Bahrain, I have never seen so many happy passengers.
We returned to Abadan in the afternoon, but the Capt had got more money from Ops, and all was well. Shell had a lot of staff, and the operation went on for 2 weeks. On my final trip to Shiraz on 16 Jan 1979 we could hear gun fire in the town.
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Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 15):
When the Iranian revolution happened at the end of 1978, Gulf Air was chartered by the Shell company to fly out all their staff.
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 15):
Nearest I ever got to a war.

Thanks for sharing that with us Steve. Nailbiting experiences for sure.
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