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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:03 pm

This is a continuation thread of part 1 which can be found by following this link: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 1

Please feel free to continue your discussion here and enjoy the website!


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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:00 pm

Hello All!

Welcome to part 2 of the PHX Aviation Thread!


I was originally intending on beginning part 2 a while back but I had no time, so here we are!

Talking points this time around:

Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

F9 beginning service to AZA

When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As ATCSundevil said

Quoting atcsundevil:
You have much to learn, grasshopper.

I have much to learn! So lets continue to teach each other here.

NOW something to get everyone started off right:
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:58 pm

Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Maybe in upgrade on some equipment types on some high profile routes but I think it will be business as usual.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
F9 beginning service to AZA

Any word about if they are bringing on F9 staff or outsourcing?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

I saw it land the other day. it was one sight to see! I hope someone caught it on camera
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:48 pm

Flew in and out of AZA the last couple of days and it wasn't busy. It was mostly GA aircraft and practice approaches into the ILS. I flew out of there an hour ago and the Tower was down to a single frequency and he also was doing ground. I'm curious PHX787 do you think it can remain a Class D with the influx of commercial traffic or does it need to be Class C?  
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:23 pm

Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:33 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

It's still a part of their master plan:

http://www.phxmesagateway.org/Docume...r%20Plan%20Executive%20Summary.pdf
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):

I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9209
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Looks like a FlightAware anomaly. That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

There's another CLT-PHX ferry airborne at the moment as well:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9210


[Edited 2012-08-18 15:00:31]
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?

Construction hasn't started yet but it is part of the airports growth plans. They probably won't break ground on it until the new SR24 freeway is completed which will run along the east side of the airport.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Just a repositioning flight with a typical Flightaware error.

[Edited 2012-08-18 15:02:37]
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Little to none as Intel already has 10,300 employees in the Chandler Fab plants.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Yes, HA has the Seahawks and Raiders. That would of been nice to see a HA flight land during the daytime.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 9):
That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 11):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)

Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.

Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:46 am

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting/Responding/THANKING !

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(Well the terminal four garage is accessible by car. The only problem is there's about a four-foot wall at the top of the garage preventing people from falling onto the tarmac. I also frequent the Air Lane location but between the road and the fence there's a guard-rail and a rough shoulder.)

My apologies for tardiness is responding to and expressing gratitude for your advice; circumstances denied me access to this medium.

Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 15):
Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.

I was surprised too but they do have a decent fleet size. Maybe the repositioned a 330 to take over the slack of something lost.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 14):
Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.

Thanks for the clarity!  
Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.

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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

I think the ultimate reason for the route being dropped is the withdrawal of the Dash-8s from PHX, right now it's being flown with 50 seat CRJ-200s which is not the optimal aircraft for the route. PHX-GYM has been flown for years now, It first was flown with Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds for America West Express before being upgraded to the Dash-8-200, which is what it remained operating with up until very recently. It's my view that there aren't many routes that a CR2 can be used on profitably.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

And usually you can go to the topmost parking level and, with it being mostly empty, just pull your vehicle along the wall and view from there if it is a van/ SUV etc. Keeps you in your A/C too.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Well, technically a little. Intel uses Techjet, not air carriers. They run Embraers to SJC and elsewhere. For example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEC644

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but I heard from my old roommates (former YV rampers) that the GYM fire department would have to come to the runway and act as airfield lighting if the GYM flight left delayed. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me. I guess if they aren't running the DH8B anymore, they don't really have a suitable aircraft for the route -- a CRJ2 would be too big for such a thin route.


Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?

Seeing how BLV is also announcing a route tomorrow could be G4 linking the 2. I would rather see HNL or OGG from G4 instead....
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:55 am

It will be interesting to see what PHX Mesa Gateway Airport has in store for us tomorrow. Their facebook page has the following as their current status -

"If you like what's been happening out at Gateway, you're going to LOVE what you hear tomorrow! We have a press conference scheduled for 11:00 a.m.! Stay tuned..."
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:04 am

Well if it's as big of announcement as they are alluding to then I personally doubt that it will be anything like IWA-BLV. It could be G4 starting AZA to Hawaii, but thats not to likely either. It will be interesting to see what they say tomorrow. I wonder if it has to do with their plans for the new terminal that would be on the east side of the airport.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting ba744phx (Reply 22):
Seeing how BLV is also announcing a route tomorrow could be G4 linking the 2. I would rather see HNL or OGG from G4 instead....

This is what I'm guessing. HNL from AZA. It should be a good route.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:08 am

so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome  Smile

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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome Smile

I guess a huge "Hell Yeah!" is an order for AZA right now  
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Well, technically a little. Intel uses Techjet, not air carriers. They run Embraers to SJC and elsewhere. For example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEC644

Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?

Im gonna say they are the 35 seaters because charter buses will drop the pax off in the early morning hours at the TechJet terminal which is right up the road from the pax terminal at AZA
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?

E135s

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome

Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 29):
Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.

Oh I don't know, it probably won't be too different from 3-4 MD-80s departing or arriving at the same time.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.

Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you are right, moving IWA up to C would be heavily contested. 3 huge runways and even though a lot of destinations (and growing), not many of them are daily so I would not consider it crowded even with the flight schools there.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 31):
Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you are right, moving IWA up to C would be heavily contested. 3 huge runways and even though a lot of destinations (and growing), not many of them are daily so I would not consider it crowded even with the flight schools there.

What about Falcon Field as I think the runways run almost directly at Falcon and it is less than 5 miles from AWA.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome Smile

WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:56 pm

So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN or SLC maybe the next logical step but by who?

1 Denver - Frontier
2 Las Vegas - Allegiant, Spirit
3 Los Angeles - Not Served
4 San Diego - Not Served
5 Seattle - Not Served
6 Minneapolis - Not Served
7 Chicago - Spirit
8 Atlanta - Not Served
9 Salt Lake City - Not Served
10 Dallas - Spirit
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 32):
WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22

It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by ATA to both HNL and OGG on B752s or 753s. The Allegiant service is only 3x weekly and won't have any passengers connecting to it from other cities like US and HA can get, So I don't see the G4 service affecting the PHX-HNL market significantly, at least not right away.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:03 pm

Is US struggling with the competition from SW on Phoenix-Florida routes? Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is one daily starting later this month. I understand we're headed into the slow fall period but I don't ever recall FLL being less than twice daily and MCO less than 3 daily. Thoughts?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN or SLC maybe the next logical step but by who?

1 Denver - Frontier
2 Las Vegas - Allegiant, Spirit
3 Los Angeles - Not Served
4 San Diego - Not Served
5 Seattle - Not Served
6 Minneapolis - Not Served
7 Chicago - Spirit
8 Atlanta - Not Served
9 Salt Lake City - Not Served
10 Dallas - Spirit

I think AZA-MSP has the potential to be a very good route as PHX-MSP supports as many as 13 daily flights by US, DL, WN and SY in the winter time, with A321s by US and 753s from DL on several frequencies. The question is who would run the flight, I wouldn't be surprised if SY were to open the route or maybe NK eventually.
I could also see AZA-LAX or AZA-SAN started by NK eventually too. Something like 1-2 daily RJ's on AZA-SLC by DL could have potential as well.

[Edited 2012-08-21 16:12:27]
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:07 am

Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:27 am

I could see within the next 2 years
Los Angeles - NK 1 daily, or DL 2 daily express
San Diego - not really sure who would go for this, but very large market
Seattle - AS either 1 daily mainline or 2 daily express
Minneapolis - DL 1 daily mainline
Salt Lake City - 2 daily express
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 37):

Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December

AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 39):
AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.

Well they do now. Its currently loaded until July which is when AA schedule is loaded.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 35):
Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is one daily starting later this month. I understand we're headed into the slow fall period but I don't ever recall FLL being less than twice daily and MCO less than 3 daily. Thoughts?

Just your typical fall pulldown. Looking at the WN timetable, they don't serve PHX-FLL nonstop next month, and are down to 1 daily each on PHX-MCO/TPA. They operated these same frequencies plus one daily PHX-FLL flight this summer, while US operated daily to FLL, 13 weekly to TPA and 20 weekly to MCO.
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Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:26 am

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 34):
It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by ATA to both HNL and OGG on B752s or 753s.

US didn't start operating the third HNL flight until late 2010, and it's been part of the flex schedule ever since. Regardless, the frequency of flights to HNL and Hawaii overall today is comparable to how it was 6 years ago, standing at about 56 weekly flights.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:26 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 32):
WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22

Well it is a good market, i think. The HA flight in particular is looking at fares ROUND TRIP, FEES in ALL! for $370. I think they're doing quite well on this route.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
5 Seattle - Not Served

I see AS running a route or 2 concurrent with the ones at PHX.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
8 Atlanta - Not Served

DL.....not for some time.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
6 Minneapolis - Not Served

Maybe SY could run a route here concurrent with the one at PHX but I'm not sure. I have a feeling it's either/or for this route.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):

I see AS running a route or 2 concurrent with the ones at PHX.

Given Alaska's gradual reduction of flights to PHX over the years I doubt they have any interest in servimg both PHX and AZA. When I was working for them five years ago we had 11 flights a day, then it went down to 8 a year later. According to some friends still there it will soon be down to 5.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
8 Atlanta - Not Served

DL.....not for some time.

A really long time..... if ever....

Quoting asqx (Reply 44):

Also a terminal move might be in the works
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
Maybe SY could run a route here concurrent with the one at PHX but I'm not sure. I have a feeling it's either/or for this route.

Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasonal PHX service with only one flight to MSP a day......
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 46):
Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasonal PHX service with only one flight to MSP a day......

IIRC the SY flight is winter seasonal indeed. Therefore any service to AZA (given SY doesn't upgrade it to year long) would be seasonal as well.

edit:

Some pretty strong storms again over my apartment in Tempe. How's the airways looking? Anyone doing the holding donuts?

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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:43 am

Hi guys,

As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on why US is the only carrier that flies to Mexico. The state of Arizona has one of the highest Hispanic populations in the country and you think that there might be a few Mexican carriers for example that would be willing to compete with US on a route such as PHX-MEX. Some of the carriers where I think it could be viable and that come to mind are Aeromexico and Volaris. If I remember correctly, didn't Aeromexico used to have service to MEX and Hermosillo not too long ago?

I guess it just shocks me that with Mexican carriers like Interjet, Volaris, and VivaAerobus starting service to markets that are far smaller than PHX (e.g. DEN, FAT, SAT), that PHX is unable to attract a Mexican carrier to compete with US.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:07 am

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 48):

As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on why US is the only carrier that flies to Mexico.

Well AM flies from Hermosillo (?) to PHX but it's AM express. I've wondered too why AM doesn't have anything from PHX to MEX.

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 48):
I guess it just shocks me that with Mexican carriers like Interjet, Volaris, and VivaAerobus starting service to markets that are far smaller than PHX (e.g. DEN, FAT, SAT), that PHX is unable to attract a Mexican carrier to compete with US.

I can possibly see one of the low-costers operating to AZA given that the appropriate cbp facilities are built.
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