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Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:29 am

While reading an article on the Daily Mail, it states:

"Researchers may have come one step closer toward solving the mystery of Amelia Earhart’s disappearance after announcing the discovery of what could be remnants of the famed aviator’s plane.

The debris located off Nikumaroro island in the southwestern Pacific republic of Kiribati was spotted following a preliminary review of high-definition video taken last month at the uninhabited coral atoll believed to be Earhart's final resting place.

The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR) got the underwater search under way on July 12 in hopes of determining what exactly happened to Earhart on her last fateful flight 75 years ago."

Then again, it's the Daily Mail. Most information they provide should be taken with a grain of salt. If true, this would be a big breakthrough in the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Amelia Earheart.

Article source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-year-mystery-aviators-flight.html
 
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Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:01 am

Well, the title of this thread is a bit misleading.

That said, I hope that in my lifetime, Earhart's plane isn't discovered. Some things are just better left as legends rather than facts, and where ever Earhart rests, she rests in peace. Hate to see that disturbed after so many decades. Pulling up her remains or her plane now won't add anything to aviation safety at this point.
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Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Well, the title of this thread is a bit misleading

Agreed, by adding a ? to the title, it is no longer a statement, and rather an unanswered question. As there is still no concrete findings yet, it is therefore nothing more than speculation, there have been many things that were thought to be real and turned out a bust. Remember Geraldo and the Jimmy Hoffa safe? Just sayin..... 
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Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Well, the title of this thread is a bit misleading.

Agreed,


But It pretty much lines up the whole theory of it disappearing and crashing in that location.
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Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:10 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):


But It pretty much lines up the whole theory of it disappearing and crashing in that location.

Which is exactly why it should be questioned more.

I believe the term is "expectation bias", commonly referred to as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:50 am

The Daily Mail isn't a reliable source for news, especially when it comes to things like missing plane wrecks.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:02 am

Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 5):
The Daily Mail isn't a reliable source for news, especially when it comes to things like missing plane wrecks.

As much as I hate the media in the USA, here's something more reliable:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/researchers...rts-plane-debris/story?id=17034766
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:12 am

Tighar unfortunately is an organisation which is notorious for its baseless belief that Earhart crashed on or near Nikumaroro.

I've never seen a shred of contemporary evidence to support that assertion. Considering that she was flying to Howland Island and was heard by the Itaska on final approach into Howland Island but unable to find it (the atoll is never more than 12 inches above sea level), it is surely more likely that she ran out of fuel and crashed near Howland Island.

Quite how or why she might instead have flown 2.5 hours further in radio silence to crash on or near Nikumaroro defeats me. She is more likely to have become Irene Craigmile Bolam!
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:18 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
Remember Geraldo and the Jimmy Hoffa safe?

For those not old enough to remember:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystery_of_Al_Capone's_Vaults
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Well, the title of this thread is a bit misleading

Oh I don't know, I think the word "may" serves it's purpose here.

[Edited 2012-08-19 03:22:40]
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting speedbrds (Thread starter):
The debris located off Nikumaroro island


How many ac crashed in the Pacific Ocean during the WWII?
The debris can be just anything.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:36 am

I'm surprised the daily mail haven't blamed Polish immigrants for the crash.  
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting FlyingSux (Reply 9):
Oh I don't know, I think the word "may" serves it's purpose here.

Which wasn't there initially.  
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
Tighar unfortunately is an organisation which is notorious for its baseless belief that Earhart crashed on or near Nikumaroro.

   TIGHAR comes back from every expedition with some new "evidence" then immediately follows with a press release explaining the find. Somehow they just never end up with anything actually concrete.
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:20 pm

Did planes have black boxes back then. I realize chances of finding any parts of her plane intact are not even slim. They might find a engine or a tail of the Electra.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 14):

Did planes have black boxes back then. I realize chances of finding any parts of her plane intact are not even slim. They might find a engine or a tail of the Electra.

No. Flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders were only introduced to airliners much later, and even had they been in common use at the time it would be unlikely that Earhart's Electra would be fitted with one. In any case, the older style recorders - magnetic tape recorders vs the solid state types we have today - hold up much worse over time, especially under water, so it would be practically impossible to retrieve any data from them were they found now (again, imagining that they were fitted.)
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
Quite how or why she might instead have flown 2.5 hours further in radio silence to crash on or near Nikumaroro defeats me. She is more likely to have become Irene Craigmile Bolam!

Well, that was an entertaining Sunday morning read, thank you. I'd never heard the Bolam story before but it's no worse than several other explanations. It's quite amazing that the level of interest in Earhart's disappearance remains so high after 75 years.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
Quite how or why she might instead have flown 2.5 hours further in radio silence to crash on or near Nikumaroro defeats me.

I don't believe that she flew an additional 2.5 hours after making turn to fly a 337/157 search line.

Rather that Noonan made an error in his navigation and the plane was not near Howland.

One thing which always bothered me about the story is the assumption that because some signals were loud and clear to the Itasca that Earhart was close to the ship. Because several other radio transmissions were weak. That sounds a lot more like a transmitter located far away from the receiver - the Itasca - and getting some atmospheric skip.

I personally doubt that Earhart was near any island, and they flew the 337/157 line until their fuel exhausted and they went down in the ocean. Likely in water over three miles deep.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:56 pm

Good grief! This "story" pops up every few years. How improbable? Just close your eyes and try to imagine how much junk is in and around that area, wherever that area might be. The general consensus is somewhere in the south Pacific. Look at a globe. It is huge!! I am not buying the alien abduction theory.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Agreed. Allow her to rest in peace, and remain legendary. There are many rumours about what happened. Allow her to remain the way she is. She is a heroine and should remain that way. RIP Amelia.
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting FlyingSux (Reply 9):
Oh I don't know, I think the word "may" serves it's purpose here.

The thread title has been changed,

the original title said: "Amelia Earhart plane found" which obviously as of now, is untrue.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:19 am

The debris located off Nikumaroro island

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If the theory is that they crash landed on this island and lived there a while - and - this British ship went to the same island only a little later.Clearly (if we believe this photo,the they were landing on the island at the exact same spot as these 2 were living at the time (with makeup et al). I would have thought that Amelia might have walked up to the expedition and said "hello" no?

The fact that this expedition found nothing (so soon after they crashed) only proves that they did not land there - rather than they did- I would have thought.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:12 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
Remember Geraldo and the Jimmy Hoffa safe?

OMG, what a waste of time it was watching that. From that point on, I refused to watch ANYTHING that had that idiot Geraldo on it. PS It wasn't Hoffa's safe, it was Capone's EMPTY safe.


Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
Somehow they just never end up with anything actually concrete.

Might be because planes aren't made of concrete.  
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
That said, I hope that in my lifetime, Earhart's plane isn't discovered. Some things are just better left as legends rather than facts, and where ever Earhart rests, she rests in peace. Hate to see that disturbed after so many decades. Pulling up her remains or her plane now won't add anything to aviation safety at this point.

Interesting point of view, although I don't actually agree.
While part of me would not want Earhart's grave disturbed, I think solving one of aviation's biggest mysteries would be amazing! With every passing year, the chances of finding remnants of the Electra get slimmer and slimmer, despite the fact that the technology gets better and better. But I really have little confidence that her aircraft (never mind remains) will ever be conclusively located - the five Avengers of Flight 19 that went missing in 1945 have never been found and they were lost somewhere off the coast of Florida! More recently, it took months to find the wreckage belonging to Steve Fossett, and that was on land, so searching the depths of the Pacific Ocean is unlikely to turn up any solid trace of Earhart unless somebody gets very lucky. Or she really was captured by the Japanese and somebody uncovers evidence of such.

Quoting breiz (Reply 10):
How many ac crashed in the Pacific Ocean during the WWII?
The debris can be just anything.

Completely agree... I don't know the specific history of the Nikumaroro Island but being in the South Pacific it probably saw some WW2 action. The debris that was located in the reef might very well turn out to be a plane but I'd be very surprised if it turned out to be Earhart's Electra!

I remember watching an episode of 'Unsolved Mysteries' many years ago, during the Robert Stack-hosted era, and one of them covered Amelia Earhart and "eyewitnesses" who watched her execution and burning of her aircraft. Somebody even wrote down serial numbers of a part or two that supposedly came from her plane - I'm guessing nothing ever came of this and the story was completely made up?! It did seem too good to be true!

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 22):
OMG, what a waste of time it was watching that. From that point on, I refused to watch ANYTHING that had that idiot Geraldo on it. PS It wasn't Hoffa's safe, it was Capone's EMPTY safe.

Ha, apparently RWA380 doesn't remember it that well!!
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:42 pm

If they can find the AF447 flight recorders under those conditions, I'm optimistic that they will find remnants of the Electra in my lifetime.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 23):
I don't know the specific history of the Nikumaroro Island but being in the South Pacific it probably saw some WW2 action.

Without going to DC and wading through tons of paper, I can't say exactly - but the general history is that there were a couple bombing raids on the Phoenix Islands from airfields on Tarawa. Since Canton (or Kanton) Island was an important stop in the US to Australia route - it would likely be the target - not Gardner Island (Nikumaroro) some 200 nm away. Note - it is close to 950nm from Tarawa to Canton which is beyond the range of a fully loaded G4M (Betty). A lighter capacity G3M Nell could have made such a trip - but it would have been 7 hours one way - a 15 hour mission.

The Japanese did launch attacks against Howland Island from Majuro - a distance of about 825 nm.

I see nothing to indicate any extensive air activity near Nikumaroro.

Quoting richierich (Reply 23):
Somebody even wrote down serial numbers of a part or two that supposedly came from her plane - I'm guessing nothing ever came of this and the story was completely made up?!

The South Pacific Mandate gave Japan administration over what are now the Marshall Islands and Federated States of Micronesia after WWI. They built up bases in the area. However, the Japanese did not invade the Gilbert Islands and occupy Makin and Tarawa until December 1941.

For Earhart and Noonan to have gone down and be captured by the Japanese in 1937 would have required them to be over 800 miles off course to the northwest - about 90 to 100 degrees off their planed course for five or six hours.

My memory is that the 'serial numbers' in the reports were from some radio and navigation gear for which the numbers are available from historical records. Not hard to find.

Yes, it appears the story was completely made up.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting s4popo (Reply 24):
If they can find the AF447 flight recorders under those conditions, I'm optimistic that they will find remnants of the Electra in my lifetime.

They spend several tens of millions of dollars searching for AF447, with a very precise location fix for the plane less than 10 minutes before it crashed. A big part of the problem finding the wreckage was that the plane did a 250 degree descending right turn and backtracked about 12 miles.

I don't think anyone is going to be spending that much money looking for the Electra - especially without any realistic idea of where the plane went down.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:15 pm

Watched the Discovery Channel program on this years expedition. They did NOT find anything from AE or the L-10 Electra. What they thought might be aircraft parts turned out to be a large rock and pieces of an earlier shipwreck.

There is probably more truth to the story that she and Fred Noonan were captured and executed as spies by the Japanese. Whilte the truth might be out there, much of it has gone to the grave or is still considered classified for various reasons.
 
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 26):
Quoting s4popo (Reply 24):
If they can find the AF447 flight recorders under those conditions, I'm optimistic that they will find remnants of the Electra in my lifetime.

They spend several tens of millions of dollars searching for AF447, with a very precise location fix for the plane less than 10 minutes before it crashed. A big part of the problem finding the wreckage was that the plane did a 250 degree descending right turn and backtracked about 12 miles.

I don't think anyone is going to be spending that much money looking for the Electra - especially without any realistic idea of where the plane went down.



Also, AF447 did not have 75 years worth of sea-bed movement and corrosion on it. I was still relatively traceable. The poor electra should not have much of it left and definitely not all in one place. After all of those years the currents of the seas would have moved it in many directions and if the mud-slide thing is accurate, there would be that much more difficulty in retrieving anything left.

[Edited 2012-08-20 10:41:11]
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RE: Amelia Earhart's Plane May Have Been Found

Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:34 pm

Here is CNN's take on this story. Note specifically the question mark at the end of their title. I add this for what you feel its worth. From the video report it seems that nobody is yet sure of anything. Time will tell.

Courtesy: CNN - Video Report At Link

75 Years Later, The Mystery Of Amelia Earhart Solved?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/19...f-amelia-earhart-solved/?hpt=hp_c2

[Edited 2012-08-20 11:35:20]

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