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Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:14 pm

One of my favourite aircraft of all time is the VC10 - it even gives Concorde a run for its money on the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft to ever grace the skies.

At the moment there are 8 remaining in service - with 2 more due to be retired in September 2012. The remaining six - 1 x C1K (the original RAF variant), 4 x K3 (originally East African Airways Super VC10s) and 1 x K4 (originally BOAC Super VC10) are due to be retired in March 2013.

The main web site is A Little VC10derness - http://www.vc10.net/ - which is undeniably awesome!

What I have found online is some really cool VC10 videos on the British Pathe web site. This company produced newsreels from the turn of the 20th century up until 1970, and all of their material has been digitised and put online. There are some awesome VC10 clips on there.

For example, this one showing flight simulator training (using a camera over a model for the visual system!) -

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/flying-vc-10-on-ground

My personal favourite, showing a VC10 automatic landing -

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/ga...london-boac-vc10-automatic-landing

Also, they went along on a route proving test flight -

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/pathes-trip-in-vc10/query/vc10

There are heaps of cool videos on the VC10 on the site. It also has lots of other things - like BOAC Comet (search it), the flying boats and so on and so forth.

Anyway, I hope you like the videos.

Now all we need is someone to organise an airliners.net charter of an RAF VC10 for a 90 minute flight on the K4 tanker (as it still has all its seats) before it retires. I'd pay for that to get a Super VC10 in my logbook!  
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:46 pm

What a treasure trove. Thank you for sharing! I have only had the opportunity to see a VC10 live in action once. I was on a layover at IAD and one took off towards my hotel. I was outside and heard a loud aircraft taking off. At first I thought it was a non-hushed 727. However as she approached her form was unmistakable. It was a RAF VC10 bound for Brize Norton I'm assuming. The crackle of those Conways as she passed overhead was music to my ears.

Thanks again!
 
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:13 pm

I always wondered how those old analogue simulators worked. Impressive how such a simple method of running a CCTV system over a model yields such a good perspective & image. Must have been extremely complex taking all the inputs from the cockpit (throttle/yoke/pedal/flaps/spoilers/gear position etc) and turning this into velocity, pitch, roll and yaw for the camera rig as well as providing feedback to the instruments (altimeter, attitude indicator, stall warning etc). I assume the model and camera could be lit appropriately to simulate night flying?

Fascinating and thanks for sharing!
 
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 2):
I always wondered how those old analogue simulators worked. Impressive how such a simple method of running a CCTV system over a model yields such a good perspective & image.

They are really cool - and effective. Got to see the setup for simulation in T-37/T-38 in Enid Oklahoma once. Can't recall which aircraft - but I'm thinking T-37. Didn't get to fly it .... dang.

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 2):
I assume the model and camera could be lit appropriately to simulate night flying?

They can also be crashed - put the camera into the "ground"

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Also, they went along on a route proving test flight -

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/pa.../vc10

Man - that aisle must be 6 ft wide!
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:32 pm

I'd give my eye teeth to fly on one!
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:27 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
One of my favourite aircraft of all time is the VC10 - it even gives Concorde a run for its money on the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft to ever grace the skies.

That clean wing and that quartet back there. Be still my heart!

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
I'd pay for that to get a Super VC10 in my logbook!

As would I
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:28 am

Awesome sound of the Conway. Was inside the RAF C-1K at Fairford, end of days apporaching  
 
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
The main web site is A Little VC10derness - http://www.vc10.net/ - which is undeniably awesome!

To say the least!!! I could spend hours in there, reviewing the Round the World schedules, amongst other things. Thank you so much for showing us this. The videos were something to marvel. Growing up I loved the DC10 along with the VC10. When I transferred to ABQ, I was privileged to see the Royal Air Force VC10 come and go at ABQ/Kirkland AFB.
I had no idea how loud that a/c was until my first chance to see it take off. After that, anytime it was in town, I made a point of stopping what I was doing on the tarmac and watching.

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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:14 am

Great vids of one of the 'sexiest' airliners ever built. It was unfortunate that it could not compete against the 707 or DC-8s of the era.
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:53 am

VC10derness! I love it. Thanks so much for the old videos. That old footage fascinates me.
 
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:45 am

Wow, what great video!

Both AA & UA had the same kind of simulators in the 60's & early 70's for training. And yes, as stated above you could crash the simulator.

I always thought the VC10 looked best in the original navy blue & gold livery. When they switched it over to the white livery the plane seemed to lose something. But I think it's one of the most beautifully designed aircraft ever built. I used to see them at ORD for the ORD-YUL-LHR flights operated by BOAC.
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
I used to see them at ORD for the ORD-YUL-LHR flights operated by BOAC.

On Sep 18, 1969, I got my only VC-10 flight...this one you mentioned, YUL-ORD. I agree that the BOAC livery at that time was just beautiful, as was the plane itself. I still remember details of that flight, my sensations on takeoff, and the landing at ORD when the crew couldn't figure out what the correct local time was!! That was funny.

I regret that I never got to fly one again, as my trans-Atlantic flights the next few years were all on 707's and 747's. But at least I was fortunate enough to be on it once.
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:06 pm

It seemed that BOAC replaced the VC10 with one of their Rolls Royce 707's on the ORD-YUL-LHR route.(Man those things screamed on takeoff!) Eventually this route became just ORD-LHR when the 747 came online.

How long did BOAC operate the VC10 and why did they phase it out?
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 12):
How long did BOAC operate the VC10 and why did they phase it out?
http://www.vc10.net/
http://www.vc10.co.uk/

It was in service from 1965 until retirement in 1980, as it was from the same age as the original DC8s and B707s so was thirsty against the new B747/L1011/DC10s across the pond.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:21 am

Well, thank you! As my name is VC10er I have a very, very special love for her. My first flight in life was on a VC10 when I was 5 or 6 years old. My mother and I were going from JFK to Glasgow, Prestwick non-stop. I recall her parked, there was a long red carpet from the door of the terminal to the front door. I recall looking down her fuselage and seeing the double engines. Given I was already a fan of Star Trek I felt like I was boarding a space ship. I recall taking my window seat and gazing out the window at all the airplanes...an era when everything at the airport had "that airplane" smell (diesel and exhaust) as well as the continuous whine of engines. Wow!

The side wall of my BOAC jet, and I recall vividly, had a very 1960's mod starburst design in metallic gold.

I have an amazing original poster (swift, silent, serene) and a 1960's BOAC desk model.

Thank you so much for these links. They take me back 45 years.
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 3):
Man - that aisle must be 6 ft wide!

Yeah I saw that - surely it couldn't have been that wide in service though!

Quoting VC10er (Reply 14):
The side wall of my BOAC jet, and I recall vividly, had a very 1960's mod starburst design in metallic gold.

Wow, that sounds really nice! I don't imagine any of those exist anymore unfortunately.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 14):

I have an amazing original poster (swift, silent, serene) and a 1960's BOAC desk model.

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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 3):
Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Also, they went along on a route proving test flight -

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/pa.../vc10

Man - that aisle must be 6 ft wide!

I don't think the seats pictured were the actual F class seats used by BOAC. The VC-10 that appears in that video was G-ARTA, the prototype. Although initally painted in BOAC livery it never flew for BOAC.

You can get a more accurate view of the real F class aisle width in photos of these preserved aircraft. Just about the same as 707s and DC-8s.


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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:26 am

Great finds!

I missed the VC-10 when I joined BA by two years, the last BA service was in March 1981.
Would loved to have flown on one.

While it's sad that retirement is now close, the RAF would have, by the time of the final operation of the VC-10, will have used them for 48 years.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:21 am

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/vc-10-take-off/query/VC10

This video has no sound but begins at JFK. Interestingly, there are two 707-436's and a Britannia 312 on the ground at the International Arrivals Building and next door at TWA is an L-749 in the double globe scheme. The film must have been made in 1964, because I don't believe any TWA Connies were repainted until then. I flew on a TWA L-749 in June of 1964 IPT-PIT and it was still in the traditional double striped livery. BOAC used to use the Britannia on the JFK-BDA run. When did they switch that to a 707 or VC-10?
 
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RE: Great VC10 Videos On British Pathe Site

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting milesrich (Reply 18):
BOAC used to use the Britannia on the JFK-BDA run. When did they switch that to a 707 or VC-10?

Not sure about the 707 but one BOAC history shows the VC-10 (actually Super VC-10) introduced on JFK-BDA on April 1, 1965, the same day it was introduced LHR-JFK. Those were the inaugural Super VC-10 routes.

BOAC JFK/IDL-BDA schedules from a few timetables in timetableimages.com site:

Apr. 14/57: 10 x wk Viscount (operated by BWIA with BA flight nbrs.)
Mar. 1/58: 10 x wk Viscount (operated by BWIA)
Sep. 1/59: Daily DC-7C, 1 x wk Britannia, 5 x wk Viscount (operated by BWIA)
Apr. 24/60: Daily DC-7C, 6 x wk Viscount (operated by BWIA)
Oct. 1/62: Daily Britannia
Mar. 22/64: Twice-daily Britannia
Jun. 1/66: Daily VC-10, 1 x week 707
Apr. 1/71: Daily VC-10 (until May 8); Daily 747-100 (effective May 9)