caleb1
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F9, VX And The A321

Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:41 pm

I know that both Virgin America and Frontier use the A319 and A320. Since the A321 is supposedly the most economical of the Airbus narrowbodies to operate (or so I've been told), is it likely that we will see any orders placed for this aircraft type by these two carriers? What are the comparative advantages and disadvantages of flying the 321 by Frontier and Virgin America? From a purely selfish and non-technical point of view, I would really like to see this variant in the liveries of VX and F9.
 
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:14 am

I think the aircraft could certainly have a place at F9. I could see around 10 of them or so. Currently, they have no such plans. Expect none until the NEO starts arriving unless somebody has a few to lease at good rates. The current F9 order book is 60 A320neo and 20 A319neo. I could see some of those being converted.
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:20 pm

Well, I know someone will correct me with the right data, but for I being told the A319 has higher Nautical range than the A321 and A320, performance wise are pretty much the same.

JetBlue is introducing the A321 in other to aid some of their heavy routes and not for nautical range, example I believe that JFK - MCO has about 10 daily schedule flights, let said that at least 8 of them are in the A320 wich means about 1200 pax. The A321 can carry that amount in 7 flights, so you can propebly make the statement that other flight that they save can be utilized to another market.

If you need capacity in selected market, then yes, the A321 will fit very well. But if you need range, A319 baby...
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
What are the comparative advantages and disadvantages of flying the 321 by Frontier and Virgin America?

The A321 would face range issues on VX's transcontinental routes from LAX/SFO to BOS/JFK/PHL/IAD/DCA/MCO/FLL. It's also less than ideal for short-haul routes given the turn time needed. In the case of F9, there are likely relatively few routes where they'd need about 200 seats per departure on a regular basis.
 
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:19 pm

Beside, We (F9) are not looking at the A321, we are making some changes on the LOPA of the A320 to add more seats...
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
What are the comparative advantages and disadvantages of flying the 321 by Frontier

I've been wanting F9 to acquire a few A321's for a LONG time now. They could really use this on the DEN-DCA/LGA/PHL/SEA routes. Why they have not done this is beyond me. The current set up is that they are using the A320 and they are packed to the gills 3x a day, 7 days a week!!!!!!!

Quoting wepaman (Reply 4):
Beside, We (F9) are not looking at the A321

Not now, yes, but that is not entirely true. When I was working at F9, SM stated a few times that he was interested in looking at the A321 for the DEN-DCA/LGA routes. So that was only "kicking the tires" sort of thing. Mariner would know more on this one. I believe that BB has also looked at the A321 as well..... Ask Mariner.
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RE: F9, VX And The A321

Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:40 pm

The new Airbus production facility announced for MOB can't hurt. I don't think the A320 family is currently scheduled to be built their but it could be re-tooled if customer demands warrants.
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