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Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:14 am

As I was looking at schedules and stuff for a family member for flights next summer to YVR, I noticed that Delta is starting JFK to YVR service on 6/6/13. It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment:

DL1393 JFK0820 – 1135YVR 738 D
DL1356 YVR1145 – 2030JFK 738 D

Also, when I looked at the schedule I noticed there was a 10 minute turn time so I wondered where another 738 would come from and it looks like next summer's MSP to YVR flight will operate with 738s on 2 out of 3 frequencies. This info was confirmed on another website.

Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:09 am

Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter):
It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment

So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:16 am

Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:28 am

definitely O&D. I think UA is only summer-seasonal. NYC-YVR fares rarely fall below $525, while NYC-SEA fares are in the 3xx range during off-season sales.

4 carriers combined and it's only 4x daily in summer, 3x daily in winter, and only 1 plane that's wide body (with pax-unfriendly arrival time of 1:30am into YVR). I wonder which one came first - the high fares or the low demand ?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:58 am

Big market for summer Alaska cruise traffic, as flying to SEA generally requires an additional travel day to allow for arrival in YVR by noon to board ship.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter):
Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.

I wouldn't call DL's presence in Canada "weak". They're not as big as UA, but they do serve the following routes:

SLC-YVR
SLC-YYC
MSP-YVR
MSP-YYC
MSP-YEG
MSP-YXE
MSP-YQR
MSP-YWG
MSP-YYZ
MSP-YUL
DTW-YVR (summer)
DTW-YYZ
DTW-YOW
DTW-YUL
DTW-YQB
DTW-YHZ (summer)
CVG-YYZ
ATL-YVR (summer)
ATL-YYZ
ATL-YUL
LGA-YOW
LGA-YUL
LGA-YHZ
JFK-YYZ
JFK-YUL
JFK-YYG (summer)

And now JFK-YVR.

Also, LGA-YYZ is served via a codeshare with WS.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

MSP-YVR has traditionally been 3x daily summer (2x A320, 1x E75), then dropping down to 1-2x E75 during the winter months.

Putting the 738 on MSP-YVR is neglible since its traditionally been A320s for the past few years.

However, at its peak about 5-6 years ago, MSP-YVR was 4-5 daily A320 and 757 back in the NW days.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:02 pm

"So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR?"

AC is out of EWR.

And CX is not the first carrier people think about when flying to Canada...though they should.

The move from JFK to EWR by AC left this wide open for DL or AA to step in and now they will have to deal with the extra competition.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
And CX is not the first carrier people think about when flying to Canada...though they should.

I agree, CX is a great option. There's no comparison between a CX 77W and a domestic narrowbody, and the fares are often quite good too. However, the timing is not ideal for everyone--some folks don't want to land in YVR at 1am or take a redeye back to JFK, and for that reason I have sometimes taken other flights even when CX was available.

I would add that, in addition to cruise traffic in the summer, this flight will cater to ski traffic to Whistler in the winter. Good addition by DL, and I wish them well on the route.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
definitely O&D

Not necessarily. The DL flight is timed well with flights to Asia on Sky Team partners KE and MU.

The AC flight EWRYVR connects a lot of people to Asian flights out of YVR too.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 9):
The DL flight is timed well with flights to Asia on Sky Team partners KE and MU.

At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.

True but that doesn't mean the flight won't have a lot of KE and MU customers on it.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:47 pm

Upgauge is not spelling word.

You mean "Upgrade" ?

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Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:53 pm

Vancouver EH?   

Why doesn't Delta join in on the LAX-YVR market with AC,WJ, and AS?
Not enough pax to do the route?

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Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights

Minor correction, it's running with a 77W right now, with 3 or 4 class service
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

Is the E175 not a mainline aircraft? I thought that airlines were using as such. I fly with AC from YVR on business and often travel on their E190/175's and find it is very nice and comparable to their larger aircraft.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 9):
The AC flight EWRYVR connects a lot of people to Asian flights out of YVR too.

Well, it's an A319, so "a lot" is kind of relative here.

Quoting Q (Reply 12):
Upgauge is not spelling word.

Well, it's a word that has meaning here.  
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):

For DL, the E175 is not a mainline aircraft. they are operated by Shurttle America and Compass.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.

I guess you haven't seen the bazaar connections in/out of MCI!
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 12):
Upgauge is not spelling word.

You mean "Upgrade" ?

Upgauge in airline industry parlance means to substitute a larger aircraft ("gauge") for a smaller one, such as here with E75 to 738. The opposite is a "downgauge", which would be 738 to E75. On a flight that operates with an enroute aircraft change, this is called a "change of gauge".

In the airline business, an upgrade refers to a change in a passenger's itinerary to a higher class of service, or a pilot moving from the right seat to the left, among some other uses.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):

To be clear AC and UA are via EWR; CX and DL will be JFK

Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.


DL and AA has many codeshare flights with WJ.
I just recently saw a DL flight from YYZ to LAX nonstop. I did a double take since I didn't hear the announcement DL flew nonstop to LAX, but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting B727FA (Reply 18):
I guess you haven't seen the bazaar connections in/out of MCI!

You're talking about DL or WN here ?
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 13):
Why doesn't Delta join in on the LAX-YVR market with AC,WJ, and AS?
Not enough pax to do the route?

Delta has flown this route before - after the Western merger.

OAG's from 1989 and 1995 show 3 flights a day:

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX89p10.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX95p11.html

It was gone by 1998
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.

Indeed, the YVR Airport Authority is even now looking at the feasibility of a 3rd E-W runway. It would be built on totally new land west of the terminal complex. I can already envisage the green movement picketing, etc.

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.

WS, not WJ. WJ is Air Labrador.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:30 pm

I would pick Cathay Pacific over DELTA on this route. 100 x better service.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 24):
I would pick Cathay Pacific over DELTA on this route. 100 x better service.

CX has horrible flight times and no preclearance. Who wants to arrive in YVR at 1AM?
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
I just recently saw a DL flight from YYZ to LAX nonstop. I did a double take since I didn't hear the announcement DL flew nonstop to LAX, but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.

Are you sure about this?

WS doesn't fly from YYZ-LAX. They do however, code-share on AA's YYZ-LAX flight. Or is DL code-sharing on a WS flight which is operated by AA ... odd twist!
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 26):
Or is DL code-sharing on a WS flight which is operated by AA ... odd twist!

It doesn't work that way. An airline doesn't code share on a code share partner's code share like that. DL would only be code sharing on a WS flight operated by WS.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 26):
WS doesn't fly from YYZ-LAX. They do however, code-share on AA's YYZ-LAX flight. Or is DL code-sharing on a WS flight which is operated by AA ... odd twist!

Didn't WS try a 1x YYZ-LAX a few years back, and then retreated ? Yes, AA do it 1x as well, but that market seems to me pretty much AC territory.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

There are 2 A320's MSP-YVR today.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
I wouldn't call DL's presence in Canada "weak". They're not as big as UA, but they do serve the following routes:

SLC-YVR
SLC-YYC

If further DL/WS agreements are reached (speculation) I suspect these two routes as well as a historic SLC-YEG will go WS for at least 1 frequency. MSP for DL has replaced SLC as a trans-con hub, these changes indicate. SLC the next MEM or CVG?
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 30):
MSP for DL has replaced SLC as a trans-con hub, these changes indicate. SLC the next MEM or CVG?

I'm not aware that DL has pulled down SLC in the slightest. What data do you have that suggests SLC will go the way of MEM or CVG? Others have posted that SLC is a strong hub.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 30):
MSP for DL has replaced SLC as a trans-con hub, these changes indicate. SLC the next MEM or CVG?

I first of all don't believe that for a moment, both MEM and CVG are too close to major hubs to be viable.

Also,SLC is further west and makes for a great stopping over point for trips to and from HNL. YVR could use a direct flight to the east coast.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 32):
I first of all don't believe that for a moment, both MEM and CVG are too close to major hubs to be viable.

Believe it or not, both DL and AC (Jazz) fly CVG-YYZ. I thought DL had dropped it, but lo and behold, I just did a dummy booking for Friday and 3 n/s CRJs popped up. AC runs a similar pattern of a couple times a day with CRJs.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 27):
It doesn't work that way. An airline doesn't code share on a code share partner's code share like that. DL would only be code sharing on a WS flight operated by WS.

Not so fast. I've personally seem AA's code on an "Alaska" flight but at the bottom it said Operated By Delta Air Lines. It was a topic of discussion not too long ago.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
Not so fast. I've personally seem AA's code on an "Alaska" flight but at the bottom it said Operated By Delta Air Lines. It was a topic of discussion not too long ago.

I'd like to see this one. AA wouldn't have code share rights on a DL operated flight. Besides how would it be AA's code on an AS flight if it were operated by DL. It's not an AS flight then.
 
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):
I'd like to see this one. AA wouldn't have code share rights on a DL operated flight. Besides how would it be AA's code on an AS flight if it were operated by DL. It's not an AS flight then.

The code was on AS's flight number, which was on DL metal. I don't remember what the route pairwas but Enilria is good with that stuff maybe he'll remember.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:56 pm

The timing seems to be awful. No international arriving passengers at JFK will make the YVR flight and most won't be able to connect onto an international flight at JFK upon arrival from YVR.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
SLC-YVR
SLC-YYC
....
JFK-YUL
JFK-YYG (summer)

And also BOS-YYZ.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:58 am

Nice DL! Interestingly, the first regular DL 738 only arrived at YVR this summer on the DTW Saturday only seasonal flight.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
MSP-YVR has traditionally been 3x daily summer (2x A320, 1x E75), then dropping down to 1-2x E75 during the winter months.

Putting the 738 on MSP-YVR is neglible since its traditionally been A320s for the past few years

There were / are quite a few A319's in the mix too, so if it is fixed as 738's then it is a slight increase.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Indeed, the YVR Airport Authority is even now looking at the feasibility of a 3rd E-W runway. It would be built on totally new land west of the terminal complex. I can already envisage the green movement picketing, etc.

Even though they already have one... and it is absolutely fine in length for everything up to 737 size, even seen the PR 343 use it. Just getting all the Dash's, ho's & medevacs on there would free up the existing runways a lot - like they used to of course... the existing runways really only have significant waits twice possibly three times a day, and that is not usually more than 6 aircraft which is better than most big airports.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:37 am

I had the pleasure of flying HKG-YVR-JFK back in November in business class.

I would say, half of the pax got off in Vancouver (in Biz and First) - can't tell what % in economy, but I was quite surprised to see both Biz and First fill up again on the YVR-JFK leg.

To be honest with you, it's a pretty good red eye flight. You get a lie-flat seat so you can easily sleep during the entire flight - so frankly in my opinion it is the best option to do the cross continent trek.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.



That would be wishful thinking! Despite the success of Bellingham Airport and the arrival of Emirates into Seattle
i am surprised to see YVR doing so well on all sectors, particularly on trans-border. Delta adding JFK-YVR is a good sign?
CX does very well on the YVR-JFK sector, 150 on and 150 off each night.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 30):
SLC the next MEM or CVG?

Not even close. I'm not sure why this idea keeps coming up. SLC has more mainline service now than it has had for many years (just took a quick look at the schedules and there are 91 mainline departures on October 25, and there were about 100 daily this summer), and there is a lot of premium-cabin RJ service as well. In fact, on October 25, there are only 74 flights on 50-seaters and turboprops. So, more flights on mainline aircraft than on small aircraft, contrary to what the SLC stereotype seems to be. On the same day, there are 87 flights on CR7s and CR9s. A grand total of 252 flights, with mainline contributing the largest proportion of the three aircraft sub-groups (mainline, premium regional, regional).

Routes like SLC-SEA, SLC-PDX, and SLC-RNO are now all mainline, and SLC-OAK, SLC-PHX, and some others that used to be mostly or all RJ are now down to just one large RJ and the rest mainline. All in all, SLC has been getting lots of love from DL recently.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 36):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 35):
I'd like to see this one. AA wouldn't have code share rights on a DL operated flight. Besides how would it be AA's code on an AS flight if it were operated by DL. It's not an AS flight then.

The code was on AS's flight number, which was on DL metal. I don't remember what the route pairwas but Enilria is good with that stuff maybe he'll remember.

Yeah, I started a thread a few months ago because I saw DL's entire JFK-LAX schedule for sale on aa.com, with the AS codeshare. I thought that seemed strange. It looks like that one was a mistake though, because they're not selling DL flights now...

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 38):
And also BOS-YYZ.

Good catch! I forgot about that one.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:26 am

Good to see YVR getting some more service, even if it's not a new market. Personally I thought DL would try running ATL-YVR year round to try and compete with AA, who have a very nice chunk of the market to the Southern US and Latin America, but I guess not. This should do well for them though.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 39):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Indeed, the YVR Airport Authority is even now looking at the feasibility of a 3rd E-W runway. It would be built on totally new land west of the terminal complex. I can already envisage the green movement picketing, etc.

Even though they already have one... and it is absolutely fine in length for everything up to 737 size, even seen the PR 343 use it. Just getting all the Dash's, ho's & medevacs on there would free up the existing runways a lot - like they used to of course... the existing runways really only have significant waits twice possibly three times a day, and that is not usually more than 6 aircraft which is better than most big airports.

Wishful thinking on YVR's behalf, they won't be building anyway for many years to come. The traffic doesn't warrant it at all, which isn't a bad thing. Only on peak times in the summer will you see a stack of planes lined up to depart. In fact, they only depart off 08L/26R in peak times or when the south runway is getting worked on. YVR needs many many things before another runway.

Quoting OOer (Reply 37):
The timing seems to be awful.

Maybe going into JFK, but not into YVR. Timing is right to catch all the cruise ship traffic, which has grown considerably this year, along with most of the Asian destinations like PVG, NRT, PEK, ICN & HKG. Perfect times in the winter as well to catch the shuttle up to Whistler. Most connections from JFK are just as easy to get to from YYZ for Canadians.
 
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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:38 am

On a good number of Saturdays this summer, DL has been running a 757 between MSP-YVR! Does that still continue next summer as well?
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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
Well, it's a word that has meaning here

More than meaning, it's required. Anyone remember the first time you said upgrade vs upgauge? I do, my a** still hurts.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 25):
CX has horrible flight times and no preclearance. Who wants to arrive in YVR at 1AM

Not that great of an arrival into YVR, but it affords a person an entire day of business, then an early dinner, than a 5 hour flight with award winning service and a good reputation throughout the world, I'd go out of my way if I was flying YVR-NYC to take CX, any one who frequents this route knows of Cathay Pacifics daily run.

Quoting CPA62 (Reply 41):
CX does very well on the YVR-JFK sector, 150 on and 150 off each night

And this has been going along for many years, CX is well entrenched in this market, I doubt they stop this route anytime in the foreseeable future, IMO.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 42):
Routes like SLC-SEA, SLC-PDX, and SLC-RNO are now all mainline, and SLC-OAK, SLC-PHX, and some others that used to be mostly or all RJ are now down to just one large RJ and the rest mainline. All in all, SLC has been getting lots of love from DL recently

I wish DL/OO would fly SLC-BOI-PDX again on the CRJ's.
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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 43):
Good to see YVR getting some more service, even if it's not a new market. Personally I thought DL would try running ATL-YVR year round to try and compete with AA, who have a very nice chunk of the market to the Southern US and Latin America, but I guess not. This should do well for them though.

DL has MSP and SLC to route their traffic into YVR. The vast majority of markets have easy year-round connections over both hubs.

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 43):
Maybe going into JFK, but not into YVR. Timing is right to catch all the cruise ship traffic, which has grown considerably this year, along with most of the Asian destinations like PVG, NRT, PEK, ICN & HKG. Perfect times in the winter as well to catch the shuttle up to Whistler. Most connections from JFK are just as easy to get to from YYZ for Canadians.

Most connections can easily be had over MSP and SLC. The JFK flight is mostly going after the NYC O&D with some limited connections.

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 44):
On a good number of Saturdays this summer, DL has been running a 757 between MSP-YVR! Does that still continue next summer as well?

Yes, on Saturdays MSP-YVR is 3x (1x E75, 1x A320, 1x 757) during the week its 2x A320 1x E75 through the summer.
 
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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
Quoting B727FA (Reply 18):
I guess you haven't seen the bazaar connections in/out of MCI!

You're talking about DL or WN here ?

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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter):
It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.

Is that really true? I thought DL (including regional partners) served more cities in Canada than any other U.S. carrier. I'm pretty sure that was the case when it was NW, unless they've cut back since the merger.

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RE: Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 48):
I'm pretty sure that was the case when it was NW, unless they've cut back since the merger.

They've cut back a lot of smaller Ontario markets ex-DTW. I expect UA serves more cities now, as UA has picked up YXU/YKF/YQT/YLW in the past 5 years or so.
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