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Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:04 pm

Delta Air Lines applied with the DOT for allocation of two additional US-China frequencies.

Delta seeks two additional weekly frequencies to allow it to increases DTW-PEK service from current 5x weekly to daily.
DL states it intends to operate a daily service utilizing B777 equipment commencing November 2012.

There currently exist 37 unallocated China frequencies available for US carriers.


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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:33 pm

Will ATL ever see direct service to China on a daily schedule again?
 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting delta764 (Reply 1):
Will ATL ever see direct service to China on a daily schedule again?

I would love to see CZ bring in a 787 from PEK, however due to CA and the government's supposed intervention in preventing CZ to serve some routes out of PEK, I doubt CZ will be allowed to opperate that frequency. Furthermore, I very much doubt a flight to CAN (even though between fortress hubs) would be worth the use of the plane. I hope to see someone serve China out of ATL, but I doubt it will be any time soon.

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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting delta764 (Reply 1):
Will ATL ever see direct service to China on a daily schedule again?

I doubt anytime soon. Even with the CZ flights to connect to, they couldnt make it work. I will change in the short term. 5-7 years from know, who knows.

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 2):
I would love to see CZ bring in a 787 from PEK, however due to CA and the government's supposed intervention in preventing CZ to serve some routes out of PEK, I doubt CZ will be allowed to opperate that frequency.

I dont think that has anything to do with it. I seriously doubt CZ wants to fly to ATL.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:20 pm

Nice to see DTW-PEK going daily. When I saw the title I was thinking that they have finally pulled the trigger and announced SEA-PVG.
 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I dont think that has anything to do with it. I seriously doubt CZ wants to fly to ATL.


It was not my intention to say CZ is pining after some route to ATL. Frankly, I have zero clue on what CZ intends or would want to do. I was merely speculating that CZ would most likely run into some government resistance even if they decided to pursue the route given past rumors (ie PEK-LAX). Furthermore, out of ATL, I believe PEK might be the only sustainable Chinese destination (possibly PVG) and the 787 would be arguable the best aircraft for the route.

However, regarding the thread topic, it is great to see DL growing its weaker than UA Chinese service. Hopefully they will continue to strengthen relationships with CZ, MU, MF, and FM and leverage that in a way to grow their business even more.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:14 pm

I believe the poor geographic location of ATL makes more Asia Pacific services challenging.

Personally the only route I could see is not China, but a ICN flight, timed opposite the KE services to tie nicely into KE's ICN hub.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:23 am

Good to see DTW-PEK going daily. I would have thought that DTW-PEK was the weakest of the remaining Asia routes from DTW (now that DTW-HND is gone). I suppose it may still be the weakest one, but if it is going daily, that is a good sign.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):

Good to see DTW-PEK going daily. I would have thought that DTW-PEK was the weakest of the remaining Asia routes from DTW (now that DTW-HND is gone). I suppose it may still be the weakest one, but if it is going daily, that is a good sign.

China is currently very strong right now for DL, mostly due to economic reasons. Strong front cabin demand, much of which is originating in Midwest & East Coast markets.
 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:24 am

Do you think they will try and get some slots for NYC/LAX-China?
 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:30 pm

There are China frequencies to be had for anyone that wants it.

LAX probably be a blood bath as there is good existing market capacity, but they might do OK at NYC since its DL's growth focus.

Either way it seems they are being quite cautious by seeking only the additional DTW two frequencies at the moment, while deferring Guangzhou for another year.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:09 pm

I can not believe still no JFK-China service.

Are they aware of the Chinese population in Queens and in Brooklyn? The rather affluent Chinese population?
 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
China is currently very strong right now for DL, mostly due to economic reasons.

They're claiming those same 'economic conditions' are why they want to delay CAN 
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:36 pm

DTW was always a strong gateway for NW, and is now for DL. Great feed from the East Coast and MidWest. There is a great catchment area. Another plus is the fact it is not ORD. The facilities in DTW make things quite easy to manage.
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RE: Delta Applies For Additional US-China Frequencies

Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):

I'm sure that Delta is well aware of the number of Chinese immigrants and Chinese-Americans in NYC and Long Island. That said, they'll need to do a lot of ground work to grow the market due to a few factors:

1. There's already a lot of entrenched, existing service to the major population centers in PRC/HK/Taiwan. (I understand the slot frequencies are just for the PRC, but bear with me).

Frequencies may be a little off:
CX has either 3x or 4x daily to HKG
CA has 1x daily to PEK
MU has 1x daily to PVG
BR has 1x daily to TPE
CI has 1x daily to TPE

And while EWR is probably not the first choice of those who live in Long Island/Queens/Brooklyn, SA)">UA definitely draws a lot of the traffic in the NYC metro area west of the Hudson, along with some in Manhattan.
1x daily to HKG
1x daily to PEK
1x daily to PVG

2. Purchasing habits among the VFR group are hard to change. Not sure how familiar you are with travel patterns among this group, but a huge amount of VFR is still done through Chinese travel agencies, most of whom have existing relationships and contracts with the airlines above.

3. Perception/Reality of better service among Asian carriers will continue to draw less price-conscious travelers. Additionally, those who don't mind 1-stop service have excellent options by transiting with great carriers in NH/JL in NRT and KE/OZ in ICN. (Can personally speak for service on CX, OZ, NH that are miles ahead of SA)">DL or SA)">UA)

4. For the business crowd, this splits into 2. The small business owners mostly will still have family in Greater China and will likely be doing a lot of traveling not just to the major gateways. They already participate in FFP associated with the Asian carriers. For the finance/corporate guys, they largely make decisions based on corporate contracts or perceptions of luxury/quality. Speaking from experience, even though my old company had a contract with Delta, we also had separate contracts for routes where either Delta was non-existent, to provide more price competition, or where Delta had a worse schedule, etc.

4. Delta's feed into JFK, while increasing over the last few years, may not yet be sufficient to offer flights that are more profitable than other options in SA/Europe/Africa, especially combined with the existing fierce competition.

That said, I still think that as Delta grows its hub, it should eventually offer flights to PEK/PVG/HKG. However, they're probably content to route the loyal Skymiles members through either DTW or NRT at this point.

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