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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:19 pm

According to a recent statement made by an unnamed Air India official, the airlines 777-200's are views as being "fuel guzzlers" better off being grounded than operated.

http://www.livemint.com/2012/08/2119...I-may-sell-five-Boeing-777-je.html

I've heard similar statements made about the older versions of aircraft such as the 747 & MD11, but never about the 777 family.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:31 pm

My opinion is that when the fox can't reach the berry, he'll say its sour. If you have to sell your wares to look for some kind of profit, it not the machine that faulty, its the operator. They knew what they were buying and furthermore its a 777-LR. Lets see what kind of efficiency they would have gotten from a A340-500 or -600?!?         
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting globalflyer777 (Thread starter):
the airlines 777-200's are views as being "fuel guzzlers" better off being grounded than operated.

Well, I guess any plane flying a route unprofitably could be described as a gas guzzler - if it consumed a lot less fuel the route might be profitable.  

However, given that AI's 787s could fly that route (with smaller payload, but significantly lower fuel burn), personally I see this as part of AI's never ending 787 compensation/purchase strategy.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 1):
My opinion is that when the fox can't reach the berry, he'll say its sour. If you have to sell your wares to look for some kind of profit, it not the machine that faulty, its the operator. They knew what they were buying and furthermore its a 777-LR. Lets see what kind of efficiency they would have gotten from a A340-500 or -600?!?

I agree, you order the 777, it's for a reason! Those engines are HUGE and THIRSTY...however for what it does and it's capabilities it's a great acft. This just seems (IMO) another "stint" for Air India to publicly complain that something else is causing them to lose money (a LOT of finger pointing, again)...it's time they start looking within the company/managment.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
However, given that AI's 787s could fly that route (with smaller payload, but significantly lower fuel burn), personally I see this as part of AI's never ending 787 compensation/purchase strategy.

strongly agree, this unnamed "Air India official" is after compensation of some kind for something.....

According to Lufthansa Cargo, the 777F burns 17% less fuel than the MD-11... the 777 is many things, but a "guz guzzler" is not..
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:39 pm

The 777LR isnt exactly a fuel saver. And time moves on. The efficient aircraft of yesterday are the gas guzzlers of today, and the 787 surely beats the 777.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:39 pm

Maybe DL will buy them...   
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting xlc (Reply 6):
Maybe DL will buy them...

That would be great, however I don't think DL wants to spend the $$ to re-configure them and pay for it all. I am going out on a limb here and say that AI's upkeep might not be the greatest if they are constantly complaining about every $ they have to spend, and that may be why no one else wants them.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:45 pm

Great sales strategy. "Here, won't you buy these aircraft? They're gas guzzlers!"   

This is an airline with its collective head in a very unnatural place. They say the 787 is their lifeline but then delay the aircraft repeatedly. Then they try to sell 777s to another airline by complaining about their performance.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Then they try to sell 777s to another airline by complaining about their performance.

They try to offload them since about two years. No one is interested (maybe because they ARE gas guzzlers?). No wonder they are a bit unsatisfied. Not very professional nevertheless.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:51 pm

Flying the 777-200LR on non ULH routes and asking yourself why the jet isn't performing as expected? That must be a joke.

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maybe because they ARE gas guzzlers?

Or maybe there are not enough profitable ULH routes?
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Supposedly the 777-200LR is more efficient than the 777-200ER beyond about 2000nm thanks to the aero tweaks and the fact that cruise thrust is well below T-O thrust.  

That being said, you buy a 777-200LR because you want to fly your maximum structural payload a long-distance without worry of adverse winds aloft forcing a tech stop.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:56 pm

This was an interesting quote from the article:

“Even if we can’t sell them it’s better to ground them as we will save more money by doing so. They are fuel guzzlers. We understand they are being flown mostly by rich Middle East barons these days.

How many -LRs are flown by these "barons?"
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
How many -LRs are flown by these "barons?"

Quite a few... if rich corporations such as Emirates and Qatar Airways, which are eating AI's lunch, qualify as "barons"  
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:02 pm

IMHO Air India is eroding any remaining credibility they may have left in the marketplace, although the statement was made by an unnamed source. Just my   
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:02 pm

" We understand they are being flown mostly by rich Middle East barons these days.” India a superpower? Really?
Barons like Qatar, Emirates....er Delta, Air Canada? Even PIA made it work with the LR despite having to stop in Manchester along the way! It seems to be a cultural thing in India / Pakistan not to take any reponsibility for poor decision making. Worse so than the West, and that's saying something! Did they order them accidentally? Some junior clerk let loose with a credit card maybe? That'll be it....

"Air India is not alone in pulling out the long-haul Boeing 777 -200 LR aircraft. American Airlines, which had been offering Chicago-Delhi non-stop flights on a Boeing 777-200 aircraft since 2005, stopped its only service to India earlier this year" Yes, with the B777-200LRs that they have never flown or in any way ordered.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
How many -LRs are flown by these "barons?"

As for VVIP-jets, none as much as I know. The 777 is a flop with VVIPs, even the A345 sold more.
I think they mean the oil-rich countries´ airlines. Emirates, Qatar, they operate a good number of 777LRs built. But also neighbour PIA, and I havent heard complaints from thats side.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:05 pm

I thought they disliked the 787? Next thing you know, they will be complaining about a Cessna 182.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 4):
According to Lufthansa Cargo, the 777F burns 17% less fuel than the MD-11... the 777 is many things, but a "guz guzzler" is not..

Well, yes. The MD-11 was introduced in 1989 (1990?). The 777 was introduced in 1995. It also has one fewer engine.

As compared to, say, the A330, the 777 does burn more fuel. It also packs more oomph in the engines and lifts more passengers and cargo for a longer distance.

Quoting na (Reply 16):
As for VVIP-jets, none as much as I know. The 777 is a flop with VVIPs, even the A345 sold more.

Aren't there a few VIP 77W's? It makes sense that the 77L would be a flop with VVIP's. A 77W in a low-capacity configuration can probably have some extra tanks installed that would give it pretty much global range. The 77L in low-capacity form can fly MORE than halfway around the world (as was demonstrated by its record-setting endurance test). Nobody needs that kind of range. Ever. Not even in a thousand years. After all, if you fly more than halfway around the world, you went the wrong way!
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:18 pm

I wonder if this could be related to the pilot scope on the 777, so now they are criticizing the 777. In reality Air India can’t make money on ultra long haul, so they don’t need 8 ultra long haul airplanes.

In reality, the 772LR burns about 5% more fuel than the 772ER when operating the same route below the 772ER MTOW. I wouldn’t call that gas guzzler, but the A332, 787 and 77W probably have better CASM when being operated on regional routes.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:21 pm

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As compared to, say, the A330, the 777 does burn more fuel. It also packs more oomph in the engines and lifts more passengers and cargo for a longer distance.

I thought the 77W burns less fuel as compared to the A330. Or do you mean the 777-200(ER/LR)?
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
It seems to be a cultural thing in India / Pakistan not to take any reponsibility for poor decision making.
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While India is my 'second home,' I wrestled with this aspect of the culture more often than not during my time conducting business in India. It seemed there was always a subordinate or someone in a lessor station to whom the metaphorical buck could - and would - be passed.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:29 pm

Surely Air India's problems are deeper rooted than a few 777's that are not quite perhaps the right aircraft for them!
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:29 pm

Air India puts 238 seats on a B77L. Delta and Air Canada put upwards of 270 seats. Fuel burn is meaningless if one can't count the revenue potential to offset fuel consumption.

Oh yeah - and why does Air India need a 3 class product on their 77Ls?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:35 pm

I am calling pure BS on this one. IF DL and AC can make it work, then there is no reason that AI can not. My suggestion to AI's management is to install a two class interior configuration featuring J class and Y class with about 270 seats like DL. They should be able to turn a profit.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:35 pm

The 77L's seat costs are astronomical compared to the 787, which is replacing it.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Great sales strategy. "Here, won't you buy these aircraft? They're gas guzzlers!"

AI finds itself in the extremely strange position where it has to justify its moves to its owners (the public), but still conduct negotiations with somebody else (who is always getting screwed in the rhetoric AI uses to justify the move).

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
This is an airline with its collective head in a very unnatural place. They say the 787 is their lifeline but then delay the aircraft repeatedly. Then they try to sell 777s to another airline by complaining about their performance.

The people saying that the 787 is the lifeline aren't the same people who are delaying the 787 or trying to sell the 777.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:38 pm

AI is simply so screwed up that they do not know fact from fiction-----there is not one and I repeat NOT ONE 777-200 for sale. It is a shame that any 787 frames are going to this airline----frankly I would love to see Boeing give them their money back and re-market these 27 frames-----If you look at what happens to the AI fleet you will see pre-mature retirements of young a/c due to AI's shoddy maintenance and record-keeping practices.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:39 pm

The article says:

"Air India has been trying to lease the aircraft, which cost just over $291 million apiece, with little success even as losses on flying them continue unabated. The New York route alone made losses of more than $200 million for Air India annually.

“The problem is that the 777 has perhaps too much capacity for what the demand has turned out to be in this global economy. The 777 as a large aeroplane is more expensive to operate than say the 767 ER, which can also fly to pretty much anywhere you want to go,” said Steve Forte, a former Jet Airways chief executive."
Sounds like Air India has insufficient demand to warrant a 777 on the New York route. That's not the aircraft's fault. It's Air India's fault if the aircraft is the wrong size for the route.

You have to ask how Air India managed to lose money at a rate of $200+ million a year on one route yet not do something to correct the situation earlier.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 17):
I thought they disliked the 787? Next thing you know, they will be complaining about a Cessna 182.

Now don't give them any ideas... they may start trying to strap passengers to the wings. Then they'll complain about the payload.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
How many -LRs are flown by these "barons?"
Quoting na (Reply 16):
As for VVIP-jets, none as much as I know.

Boeing has sold one 777-200LR VIP and one 777-300ER VIP.



Quoting na (Reply 16):
The 777 is a flop with VVIPs, even the A345 sold more.

Has Airbus actually sold an A340-500 as an ACJ? Or have they all been conversions of former passenger planes?

You can get a used A340-500 for a heck of a lot less than a new 777-200LR.



Quoting art (Reply 27):
Sounds like Air India has insufficient demand to warrant a 777 on the New York route. That's not the aircraft's fault. It's Air India's fault if the aircraft is the wrong size for the route.
Quoting flyyul (Reply 23):
Air India puts 238 seats on a B77L. Delta and Air Canada put upwards of 270 seats. Fuel burn is meaningless if one can't count the revenue potential to offset fuel consumption.

Oh yeah - and why does Air India need a 3 class product on their 77Ls?

That seems to be the problem for AI: low premium demand.

Using Boeing's ACAP, they could install 42 Business Class seats with 60" pitch at 2+3+2 and 237 Economy seats with 34" pitch at 3+3+3 and raise the seat count to 279. That would probably help the CASM a bit.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting globalflyer777 (Thread starter):
According to a recent statement made by an unnamed Air India official, the airlines 777-200's are views as being "fuel guzzlers" better off being grounded than operated

The only thing I can say to that is: Consider the source of the comment. We are talking about AI here, who still cant get it together on the 787 delivery.

Quoting theginge (Reply 22):
Surely Air India's problems are deeper rooted than a few 777's that are not quite perhaps the right aircraft for them!

It would appear so. Again the 787 fiasco points to the weaknesses in the system.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 25):
The 77L's seat costs are astronomical compared to the 787, which is replacing it.

And there we have the crux of the matter. They are using a large, powerful jet on routings which are no where near what it was designed for. If a 787 is to replace it on the same routes and is expected to be far more efficient on them, then those routes were never ideal for the 772LR

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting flyyul (Reply 23):
Air India puts 238 seats on a B77L.

If they configured the planes as if they were Indian buses or trains, they would be printing money!
 
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Why didnt AI opt for the 772ER?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
Has Airbus actually sold an A340-500 as an ACJ?

Government of Algeria: 1 A345
Qatar Amiri Flight: 1 A345
State of Kuwait: 2 A345

Kingdom of Jordan: 1 A346 (rumours are going that the delivery has been cancelled, that would explain the re-registration and repainting that happened earlier this summer)
Saad Air: 1 A346

So yes, Airbus sold more then Boeing  
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting higherflyer (Reply 32):
If they configured the planes as if they were Indian buses or trains, they would be printing money!

Yes, or just like EK (but without F) with 3-4-3 in Y.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
After all, if you fly more than halfway around the world, you went the wrong way!

A very simple concept I know, but still made my brain hurt for a nanosecond.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 33):
Why didnt AI opt for the 772ER?

AI did lease three 777-200ERs from UA in the late 2000's.

AI purchased the 777-300ER, 777-200LR and 787-8 in the same order, so I would not be surprised if GE offered some financial offsets to choose the 777-200LR over the 777-200ER. I'm not sure if AI went with the "thrust bump" option, which is only available on the GE90-11xB engines (an AI 777-200LR was used for the testing).
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:59 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 26):

AI is simply so screwed up that they do not know fact from fiction-----there is not one and I repeat NOT ONE 777-200 for sale. It is a shame that any 787 frames are going to this airline----frankly I would love to see Boeing give them their money back and re-market these 27 frames-----If you look at what happens to the AI fleet you will see pre-mature retirements of young a/c due to AI's shoddy maintenance and record-keeping practices.

It's saying a lot that this is also an airline (the only one in existence in fact) that already had to scrap out a 777, not as resulting from an incident. With none available for sale and enough of a backlog from BCA to make a used one attractive, they still had to cut one up for condition? Yeah, you know what, I think I would feel better if they just called their own bluff and stopped operating them.

Quoting garpd (Reply 31):

AI fouled up and they're out to pin the blame on anyone but themselves. Small children do that. Not Airlines.

Apparently this one does.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting na (Reply 16):

Turkmenistan owns a VVIP 77L. I saw it with my own eyes in Kiev a few months ago. Used as a presidential aircraft AFAIK.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
I am calling pure BS on this one. IF DL and AC can make it work, then there is no reason that AI can not. My suggestion to AI's management is to install a two class interior configuration featuring J class and Y class with about 270 seats like DL. They should be able to turn a profit.

AI has First Clas because as a government owned airline ministers and their families like to travel First Class to London and New York, for FREE.

Quoting 777way (Reply 33):
Why didnt AI opt for the 772ER?

When AI ordered their 777 fleet Boeing was offering the 777-200LR and -300ER, the second generation 777's. They could have gotten -200ER but why would you ?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:11 pm

Quoting globalflyer777 (Thread starter):

According to a recent statement made by an unnamed Air India official, the airlines 777-200's are views as being "fuel guzzlers" better off being grounded than operated.

I get the idea that if Air India could power their planes with just air, they would still lose money.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
Flying the 777-200LR on non ULH routes and asking yourself why the jet isn't performing as expected? That must be a joke.

Couldn't have said THAT any better myself!!
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 40):
They could have gotten -200ER but why would you ?

Because it would fit the mission they were aiming at a little better perhaps? It's still being built, Asiana just got a top up B772.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:29 pm

If I have a choice between Air India and Jet Airways to fly on, I will choose Jet Airways hands down. Much more professional crew (cabin), great service and what not. Air India's service was crappy 15 years ago, it is same present time. I will pass on Air India any day.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 33):
Why didnt AI opt for the 772ER?

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
, if you fly more than halfway around the world, you went the wrong way!

Sorry, couldn't help it. Unless you have a tailwind.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 40):
AI has First Clas because as a government owned airline ministers and their families like to travel First Class to London and New York, for FREE

And there you have it. They wouldn't be the first airline to have trouble because everyone or at least too many up front are up there for free.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
You can get a used A340-500 for a heck of a lot less than a new 777-200LR.

If you are considering either one as a private airplane I doubt that price is a very big issue.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting flyyul (Reply 23):
Air India puts 238 seats on a B77L. Delta and Air Canada put upwards of 270 seats. Fuel burn is meaningless if one can't count the revenue potential to offset fuel consumption.

United fits 8-40-220 vs 8-35-195 on Air India. Both offer first class suites, and fully flat business, yet United also has economy plus.

AI wants to chase high end premium traffic with its interiors, yet its service does not match and it is obvious from the demise of Kingfisher and success of Indigo that Indians aren't going to pay for top quality.
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Is The 777-200 A "Gas Guzzler"? Air India Thinks So.

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I thought the 77W burns less fuel as compared to the A330. Or do you mean the 777-200(ER/LR)?

The 77W is bigger and oomphier, and it absolutely does burn more than the A330. Whether it does per ASM, that I don't know, but generally speaking, larger aircraft of similar tech levels will burn less fuel per ASM than smaller ones.

Quoting Trucker (Reply 46):
Sorry, couldn't help it. Unless you have a tailwind.

Sorry, can't help it: in which case you didn't FLY more than halfway around the world, but you did TRAVEL that far. :p
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