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Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:21 pm

A French woman made an 18-hour flight from the Pakistani city of Lahore to Paris and back again, after being sleeping when her plane stop in the French capital. All the crew on board of the PIA flight failed to notice the situation, and the woman never said nothing, she only was discovered by immigration officers upon arrival at Lahore.

http://news.yahoo.com/sleepy-womans-...r-flight-she-misses-132658925.html


PIA needs to take a look at the cabin crew training...

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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:59 pm

Something isn't adding up here. It is very hard to believe the following:

1. The passenger did not wake up as the aircraft touched the runway.
2. Other passengers did not wake hear up, either on purpose or accidentally during disembarkation.
3. The flight attendants did not wake her up to get her off the aircraft.
4. The flight attendants did not notice any belongings she might have left in the overhead when exiting the aircraft.
4. The fleet service clerks did not notice her sleeping when cleaning the aircraft.
5. The idea that the woman slept for an entire 18 hours.
6. The woman did not wake up mid-air during the return trip to Lahore.
7. Nobody was assigned her seat for the return flight.
8. The woman did not get hungry enough to wake up and eat over the span of 18 hours.
9. The woman had her seat belt on the entire time with her seat in the upright position to the effect that the flight attendants could ignore her in the entire time.

There are likely many more unbelievable things about this story, but it seems like someone is hiding part of the story. Did she take any drugs that might have caused her to sleep that long and keep her asleep during times when she would have woken up? Did PIA hide part of the story by not revealing whether she woke up as the plane was returning to Lahore? At some point, the carrier has a minimal responsibility toward the health of its passengers while traveling; if someone does not wake up for a number of hours, I believe the flight attendants should wake the person up and verify that they are still alive and functioning.
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
1. The passenger did not wake up as the aircraft touched the runway.

She probably took some kind of sleeping pill that knocked her out good.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
7. Nobody was assigned her seat for the return flight.

How is this hard to believe? The flight didn't have to be full.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
8. The woman did not get hungry enough to wake up and eat over the span of 18 hours.

I refer you back to the sleeping pills.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
9. The woman had her seat belt on the entire time with her seat in the upright position to the effect that the flight attendants could ignore her in the entire time.

You never know, and obviously the flight attendants weren't the most attentive and obersvant, or this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
I believe the flight attendants should wake the person up and verify that they are still alive and functioning.

I agree, but, as stated above, I doubt the flight attendants were the most observant
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:41 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
Something isn't adding up here. It is very hard to believe the following:

1. The passenger did not wake up as the aircraft touched the runway.
2. Other passengers did not wake hear up, either on purpose or accidentally during disembarkation.
3. The flight attendants did not wake her up to get her off the aircraft.
4. The flight attendants did not notice any belongings she might have left in the overhead when exiting the aircraft.
4. The fleet service clerks did not notice her sleeping when cleaning the aircraft.
5. The idea that the woman slept for an entire 18 hours.
6. The woman did not wake up mid-air during the return trip to Lahore.
7. Nobody was assigned her seat for the return flight.
8. The woman did not get hungry enough to wake up and eat over the span of 18 hours.
9. The woman had her seat belt on the entire time with her seat in the upright position to the effect that the flight attendants could ignore her in the entire time.

Let's see :
1.-Happened to my wife at least two times, in much shorter flights... and she never take pills, she is that way, you can steal the bed where she's sleeping and she doesn't wake up. Both times she was woken up ( shake !! shake !! ) by LAN's flight attendants after all the other pax left the aircraft.
2.-My wife's cases are proof that you can be traveling with people too worried for their own business to take care of a sleeping beauty in the next seat.
3, 4 and 4 ( you have 4 twice ) : That's the most strange part in this story... all the cabin crew members and the fleet service people failing to notice this situations seems hard to believe, but is not impossible.
5.-Who is saying that? The article says the woman was sleeping when the aircraft landed in Paris, during the turn around and probably after take off back to LHE. The article says "she didn't say nothing"... I guess when she finally realised that was flying ( back to LHE again ) she felt so embarrassed / confused that she just wait to land and see what happens.
6.- Again, I miss that part of the article or you are jumping into conclusions. The article says she was sleeping "during the stopover in the destination", not the entire round trip of 18 hours.
7.- Very possible. Load factors of 100 % are not common this days...
8 and 9 ... Maybe she get her meal as any other passenger.... and the seat belt...well, if the cabin crew didn't notice the whole woman seated there....

All in all, it is a strange situation, yes, but is not impossible. It will be nice to learn more about this story.

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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:00 pm

If true, somebody out to be fired over this.
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:29 pm

The flight operated as LHE-MXP-CDG-LHE, crew must have thought shes a MXP boarded passenger heading to LHE.
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
The flight operated as LHE-MXP-CDG-LHE

Weird routing to say the least...

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
crew must have thought shes a MXP boarded passenger heading to LHE.

But the aircraft was serviced/cleaned in Paris... that implies all the passengers must left the plane ?

And I found odd someone wants to fly from Milan to Lahore via Paris... Aren't there better connections for that ?

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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 6):
Aren't there better connections for that ?

Those "better connections" aren't necessarily cheaper...

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

1. The passenger did not wake up as the aircraft touched the runway.
2. Other passengers did not wake hear up, either on purpose or accidentally during disembarkation.

She might have been in deep sleep and/or she might have taken a sleeping pill...

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

3. The flight attendants did not wake her up to get her off the aircraft.
4. The flight attendants did not notice any belongings she might have left in the overhead when exiting the aircraft.
5. The fleet service clerks did not notice her sleeping when cleaning the aircraft.

They might have noticed her but not wanted to disturb her... Perhaps they thought she was a transit passenger

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

5. The idea that the woman slept for an entire 18 hours.
6. The woman did not wake up mid-air during the return trip to Lahore.

The article only says she slept during the Paris stopover. It does not say she slept for 18 hours. She might have slept shortly before arrival and woken shortly after the return flight departed...

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

7. Nobody was assigned her seat for the return flight.

Not uncommon these days. I can't imagine that PK's PLFs are so great.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

8. The woman did not get hungry enough to wake up and eat over the span of 18 hours.

It never said she didn't eat...

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):

9. The woman had her seat belt on the entire time with her seat in the upright position to the effect that the flight attendants could ignore her in the entire time.

Why is this hard to believe? I sleep with my seat belt on....
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:52 am

There are all types, some are loyal to PIA despite its weirdness, BTW the routing used to be Pakistan-CDG-MXP-Pakistan now that is weird.
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 8):
BTW the routing used to be Pakistan-CDG-MXP-Pakistan now that is weird.

I don't honestly see the difference between LHE-CDG-MXP-LHE and LHE-MXP-CDG-LHE.

Either way, you get 1 nonstop leg and 1 direct leg.
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 8):
BTW the routing used to be Pakistan-CDG-MXP-Pakistan now that is weird.

To be honest the only reason I can think to choose that kind of routing will be a very, very low fare.... Are the PIA's prices that cheap to allow a decent LF in this flights ??

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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
To be honest the only reason I can think to choose that kind of routing will be a very, very low fare.... Are the PIA's prices that cheap to allow a decent LF in this flights ??

Yes. PK is usually the cheapest option on any international route it flies.

Back when it flew TATL, it used to compete with AI for this distinction  
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
To be honest the only reason I can think to choose that kind of routing will be a very, very low fare.... Are the PIA's prices that cheap to allow a decent LF in this flights ??

Why ?
PIA offers a non stop between Paris and Lahore in one direction, and a one-stop (but no connection) in the other.

In terms of routing this is far better than any other option, which will include connections on both ways, with the corresponding hassle, and overall longer trip time.
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:26 pm

I can sleep very well on planes. Many a times I've boarded a plane and by the time we've started taxiing and before we're airborne I've been asleep and missed the take off. If you're tired enough you will sleep....maybe it's my age.

I suppose PIA will pass by on the opportunity to promote their new upright sleeper seats in economy....

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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 1):
5. The idea that the woman slept for an entire 18 hours.
8. The woman did not get hungry enough to wake up and eat over the span of 18 hours.

There is no evidence she actually slept 18 hours. One can fall asleep 10 mins before landing, and wake up 10 mins after takeoff, and find themselves in the same situation without sleeping for that long.

In fact, the original article says thus:

Quote:

A Frenchwoman endured an 18-hour journey from the Pakistani city of Lahore to Paris and back again after sleeping through her plane's stop in the French capital

She *endured* 18 hours of flight time, not 18 hours of sleep. And she was "sleeping through her plane's stop", not sleeping all the way!
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:27 am

French woman going back to LaHore. I am sure there is a joke here but I am not going there.
 
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RE: Sleeping Pax Didn't Deplane, Flights Back CDG-LHE!

Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:49 pm

Just wondering, maybe slightly off topic, but what would happen were she to wake up as the aircraft was taxiing to takeoff on the return flight, and she alerted the crew to the situation?
Would they turn back round and head back to the gate, for security/h&s reasons?
I'm assuming so, but I'm not sure.

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