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United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:39 am

Per GDS load United will deploy its 787s on the following international markets.

Houston - Amsterdam - Effective December 4, 2012
Los Angeles - Tokyo - Effective January 3, 2013
Houston - Lagos - Effective January 7, 2013
Houston - London - Effective February 4, 2013
Los Angeles - Shanghai - Effective March 30, 2013

And previously announced Denver - Tokyo effective March 2013 as well.


Houston was the be the first 787 crew base, I wonder if they will also open one at LAX as well?
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:49 am

I imagine LA-PVG but LA-NRT is a shocker, considering sCO does not have Global First. This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 1):
This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.

Yea...but they will be able to milk the novelty of using the 787 for a while.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:00 am

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 1):

I imagine LA-PVG but LA-NRT is a shocker, considering sCO does not have Global First. This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.


Yields on LAX-NRT are the worst of any NRT destination due to overcapacity and 7 airlines on the route. I
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:16 am

I just checked united.com and flight 58 IAH-AMS shows 764 all through the month of December. Any idea when we can book flights?
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting flyTPA (Reply 5):

I just checked united.com and flight 58 IAH-AMS shows 764 all through the month of December. Any idea when we can book flights?

They are uploading flights this weekend.
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:28 am

It's noteworthy that IAH-AMS and IAH-LHR both seem to be temporary just for the Spring (see the More Widebodies at IAH thread...). They are probably filler routes while waiting for enough frames to fly the longer routes to Asia. So by the time S13 rolls around, the routes will be:

LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS

And presumably IAH-LAX and IAH-DEN to rotate aircraft.


Pretty cool, and I think those routes all make sense. I wasn't expecting the LAX routes, but it's logical because both LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are extremely competitive, and the 787 is a good way to differentiate UA while reducing capacity.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:34 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):

But what will those long routes to Asia be?
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:35 am

Where will the "shakedown" flights be done?
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):

Where will the "shakedown" flights be done?

If by shakedown you mean the first domestic routes it will fly IAH - to UA hubs.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Los Angeles - Tokyo - Effective January 3, 2013

woah woah woah wait a sec, is this gonna be an added flight to the current route that UA has?
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
woah woah woah wait a sec, is this gonna be an added flight to the current route that UA has?

No. We on the sCO side are taking over LAX - NRT, and LAX - PVG.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:18 am

LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are not _poor_ performers, but they do fill up the plane with cheap seats.

This is part of capacity discipline - offer less seats, get more money for them, and move the 777s to places where the capacity is needed.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
Yields on LAX-NRT are the worst of any NRT destination due to overcapacity and 7 airlines on the route. I

Agreed. LAX-TYO has been a shrinking market for the last 10 years or so and is still the most competitive longhaul route in the world with 8 carriers flying LAX-NRT plus there another 2 LAX-HND flights. UA is smart to shift capacity elsewhere. No one bought UA F anyway (those passengers fly NH, JL or SQ) so removing it is not a huge deal.
 
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:43 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 12):
No. We on the sCO side are taking over LAX - NRT, and LAX - PVG.

Hmm an interesting downgage
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:47 am

Do you think SEA-NRT will also go 787 or getting axed all together?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:48 am

SEA-NRT is very unlikely to be axed.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Hmm an interesting downgage

Gauge. But not grade. A smaller aircraft will do wonders for this route.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:51 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
SEA-NRT is very unlikely to be axed.

Even with ANA also on SEA-NRT now?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:00 am

A query please from posts 3 & 12 , what does coding "sCO" signify?
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:13 am

United refers to the subsidiary parts of their business as sCO and sUA. S stands for subsidiary.

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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:34 am

What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

Also, this frees up 2 daily long-haul flights worth of 777-200ERs. I wonder where these are going....
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 13):
LAX-TYO has been a shrinking market for the last 10 years or so and is still the most competitive longhaul route in the world with 8 carriers flying LAX-NRT

Great use of the 787 then - new product, smaller capacity, route viability turn-around.
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

It was canned officially a while back. UA are said to still be considering AKL from somewhere. Not sure where though.
 
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

It was cancelled a couple of months ago--very publicly I might add, to spite Houston, but really because it would be a poor performer and is a waste of 2 787s that can be used on better routes.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
Also, this frees up 2 daily long-haul flights worth of 777-200ERs. I wonder where these are going....

Might be rotating them in during the spring on 763 and 764 routes, which are similar in capacity, while those are refurb'd. There are still 13 763s to refurb and 3 764s. That's my only guess; I doubt there will be new routes announced considering this is all for January-March, the slowest period for airlines.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 23):
Might be rotating them in during the spring on 763 and 764 routes, which are similar in capacity, while those are refurb'd. There are still 13 763s to refurb and 3 764s. That's my only guess; I doubt there will be new routes announced considering this is all for January-March, the slowest period for airlines.

One small correction there's 10 763s left to reconfigure. 6668, 6671 & 6674 are already flying.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:34 am

AKL was cancelled if I remember correctly
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:55 am

Its great to know we will see a UA 787 at LHR in the near future, I am hoping for a lot more as the fleet expands
 
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 12):
This is part of capacity discipline - offer less seats, get more money for them, and move the 777s to places where the capacity is needed.
Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
it's logical because both LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are extremely competitive, and the 787 is a good way to differentiate UA while reducing capacity.



Absolutely, the 787 is probably best suited for the competitive markets. As pointed to out differentiate their service as well as having a more efficient aircraft than your competition.
Quoting ANA787 (Reply 15):
Do you think SEA-NRT will also go 787 or getting axed all together?
Quoting gigneil (Reply 16):
SEA-NRT is very unlikely to be axed.



I don't see SEA-NRT going anywhere for UA, and with regards to going to a 787 I think it makes sense for reasons mentioned above (competition). The 787 is much better suited for SEA-NRT than the 777, a three class 777 would be better suited for something like IAH-GIG.
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Houston - Amsterdam - Effective December 4, 2012

      I've heard rumors AMS would be one of the early international destinations but it's great to see it will be the first one   

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
It's noteworthy that IAH-AMS and IAH-LHR both seem to be temporary just for the Spring (see the More Widebodies at IAH thread...). They are probably filler routes while waiting for enough frames to fly the longer routes to Asia. So by the time S13 rolls around, the routes will be:

LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS

Well, let's hope UA/CO will have enough 787s soon enough to continue AMS. Things can change so far ahead...
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Houston - Amsterdam - Effective December 4, 2012
Los Angeles - Tokyo - Effective January 3, 2013
Houston - Lagos - Effective January 7, 2013
Houston - London - Effective February 4, 2013
Los Angeles - Shanghai - Effective March 30, 2013

No Newark or Chicago ? Only Houston to LHR ? One would think UA would operate their 787 planes on shorter European flights then all the way to Lagos, Shanghai and NRT to get crews more use to it.

Where will UA use the 2 Lagos 777 ?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS

Will this occupy all 11 a/c or are their more routes to be announced? Seems like this speaks for 8 of them.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:35 pm

It's quite obvious the new UA has a much different plan for these 787s ( the sCO 787s) than CO did before the merger. It looks like UA is deploying them almost exclusively on existing routes, existing routes with competition. CO prior to the merger was looking almost exclusively at new unique destinations with their 787 (Auckland, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai etc..). In this competitive environment UA probably has the right plan, move the larger 777s (and 764s) to EWR, ORD, IAH etc.. to build up hub routes.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 30):
Will this occupy all 11 a/c or are their more routes to be announced? Seems like this speaks for 8 of them.



Will be interesting if that will be more replacing 767s and 777s or a new route or two. I have a feeling that the 25 sUA 787s will replace the 20 (1991-1993 builds) 3 class 763 fleet. The best potential for growth looks to be the 14 787-9s on order, unless they start replacing the 777s.
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:46 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 7):
But what will those long routes to Asia be?

LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 29):
One would think UA would operate their 787 planes on shorter European flights then all the way to Lagos, Shanghai and NRT to get crews more use to it.

They're going to be flying them on IAH-UA Hubs for at least a month starting in late October.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 30):
Will this occupy all 11 a/c or are their more routes to be announced? Seems like this speaks for 8 of them.

I think this probably speaks for about 7 of them. It only takes 3 aircraft to do something like IAH-LOS-IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH. Then two each for the LAX-Asia routes.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:39 pm

It's a good business decision to put the plane on lower yield routes to boost their P&L, but I was really hoping at least 1 of this list would come online eventually with the 787 :

EWR-ICN
EWR-GIG
EWR-JNB

IAH-SCL

LAX-HKG
LAX-PEK

ORD-KIX

IAD-PVG

SFO-GRU
SFO-MEL
SFO-BKK
 
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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:59 pm

Here is the press release

United Airlines Announces First 787 International Routes
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...announces-first-787-110000653.html

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RE: United 787 Flight Schedule Loaded

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 29):
No Newark or Chicago ? Only Houston to LHR ? One would think UA would operate their 787 planes on shorter European flights then all the way to Lagos, Shanghai and NRT to get crews more use to it.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 33):
It's a good business decision to put the plane on lower yield routes to boost their P&L, but I was really hoping at least 1 of this list would come online eventually with the 787 :

My response to both of those statements is that the current routes probabaly offer the best potential profits possible within the operational constraints of moving around a fleet of 5- 7 frames most efficiently. With the operational hub for the 787 at IAH solely right now - I could see that it could be a problem routing them on international tags from some of the other hubs. I'm sure late 2013 and beyond will see growth. I'm anxious to see where the displaced 777s and 764s will be going.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:23 pm

Some good stuff. Like how LAX will be getting the 787 first. Would have had money on the fact that it would have gone to SFO first.

I guess with the extra metal freeing up, expect the other hubs to get them. ORD and EWR especially.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 29):
One would think UA would operate their 787 planes on shorter European flights then all the way to Lagos, Shanghai and NRT to get crews more use to it.

They will do some hub to hub domestic flying in the fall for crew familiarization. After that, the benefit of these a/c will be on long routes, not short ones. The shorter TATL flights to Europe will stay 757s for a bit. I would hope some of them will justify upgauging to two class 767's when those mods are complete, perhaps next summer.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:45 pm

No EWR??????? Why??? -____- Guess I'll have to wait even longer. Anyway which will be the first destination from EWR that UA sends the 787 to if UA decides to send one to EWR? With my luck EWR will NEVER get the 787.....  





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Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 37):
They will do some hub to hub domestic flying in the fall for crew familiarization. After that, the benefit of these a/c will be on long routes, not short ones. The shorter TATL flights to Europe will stay 757s for a bit. I would hope some of them will justify upgauging to two class 767's when those mods are complete, perhaps next summer.

Shorter European flights as opposed to flying to China and Australia is my definition of " shorter. " 757 is a topic that "stinks" at United, why should IAD and EWR people have to fly those skiny planes to LHR. Regional UK and German cities is one thing but LHR should have a 767 or those new 787. How about all 787 from Newark to LHR, what a concept, does flying a 787 from Houston to Lagos, Nigeria make sense when its the only flight to that country other then Delta ? Hell no. Who is United trying to impress " we were the first to fly a 787 to Nigeria" ? as opposed to "we are the first to fly a 787 from New York to London " take that BA ?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 39):
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 37):
They will do some hub to hub domestic flying in the fall for crew familiarization. After that, the benefit of these a/c will be on long routes, not short ones. The shorter TATL flights to Europe will stay 757s for a bit. I would hope some of them will justify upgauging to two class 767's when those mods are complete, perhaps next summer.

Shorter European flights as opposed to flying to China and Australia is my definition of " shorter. " 757 is a topic that "stinks" at United, why should IAD and EWR people have to fly those skiny planes to LHR. Regional UK and German cities is one thing but LHR should have a 767 or those new 787. How about all 787 from Newark to LHR, what a concept, does flying a 787 from Houston to Lagos, Nigeria make sense when its the only flight to that country other then Delta ? Hell no. Who is United trying to impress " we were the first to fly a 787 to Nigeria" ? as opposed to "we are the first to fly a 787 from New York to London " take that BA

IDK why EWR-LHR gets a 752 or maybe a 772 when JFK-LHR gets 764's, 772's, and soon 77W's from AA, DL, and UA.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:19 pm

I purchased a business class seat from NRT to LAX, May 14, 2013 on UA 772. So, it will now be on the 787? Is the business class product smaller on the 787 than on the 772? According to SeatGuru it looks like it is.

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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 40):

Why? Due to flat bed seating. Prior to the merger, none of the CO 762/764 had flat-bed seating.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 42):
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 40):

Why? Due to flat bed seating. Prior to the merger, none of the CO 762/764 had flat-bed seating.

Can you add more to the "Why?"?
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 39):
How about all 787 from Newark to LHR, what a concept, does flying a 787 from Houston to Lagos, Nigeria make sense when its the only flight to that country other then Delta ? Hell no. Who is United trying to impress " we were the first to fly a 787 to Nigeria" ? as opposed to "we are the first to fly a 787 from New York to London " take that BA ?

This can't be a serious post...but I'll bite...
what a concept? How about the concept of making money. IAH-LOS has tremendous profit potential and the 787 will maximize those profits by right sizing each class of service demand. United is not trying to impress anybody but make money. Even with that said - who is UA trying to empress...the fat cats in the oil game that will be onboard the 787s to LOS. Beyond all of that, operationally what do you expect when the sole base is IAH right now and there will only be 5-7 birds to play with right now?
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 35):
My response to both of those statements is that the current routes probabaly offer the best potential profits possible within the operational constraints of moving around a fleet of 5- 7 frames most efficiently. With the operational hub for the 787 at IAH solely right now - I could see that it could be a problem routing them on international tags from some of the other hubs. I'm sure late 2013 and beyond will see growth. I'm anxious to see where the displaced 777s and 764s will be going.
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 40):
IDK why EWR-LHR gets a 752 or maybe a 772 when JFK-LHR gets 764's, 772's, and soon 77W's from AA, DL, and UA.

Maybe those displaced birds are exactly destined to be put on EWR-LHR - make 2 flights with 3-class F, and 3 flights with 763/764s.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 44):
This can't be a serious post...but I'll bite...
what a concept? How about the concept of making money. IAH-LOS has tremendous profit potential and the 787 will maximize those profits by right sizing each class of service demand. United is not trying to impress anybody but make money. Even with that said - who is UA trying to empress...the fat cats in the oil game that will be onboard the 787s to LOS. Beyond all of that, operationally what do you expect when the sole base is IAH right now and there will only be 5-7 birds to play with right now?

That EWR will NEVER get a UA 787?
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting tsummersb (Reply 41):
I purchased a business class seat from NRT to LAX, May 14, 2013 on UA 772. So, it will now be on the 787? Is the business class product smaller on the 787 than on the 772? According to SeatGuru it looks like it is.

UA is using the business class seat from the pre merger Continental airplanes. It’s fully horizontal flat. The seat is very similar to the new United business class seat. The bed length & width are almost identical between the two, although the Continental setup is often preferred since seats are at a 20 degree angle from forward and are at 6 abreast versus facing forward and backwards and 8 abreast like the UA seats.

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 38):
No EWR??????? Why??? -____- Guess I'll have to wait even longer. Anyway which will be the first destination from EWR that UA sends the 787 to if UA decides to send one to EWR? With my luck EWR will NEVER get the 787.....

EWR doesn’t really need the 787 at this point. LAX needs the 787 because the 777 is too big for LAX-PVG & LAX-NRT since there is so much competition on those routes. The 787 will be perfect. UA can keep route open, but isn’t trying to fill up an airplane with extremely low yielding seats.

Most of EWR’s routes are within range of the 757 and 767, so UA already has capacity flexibility. EWR routes are not being forced to operate with larger airplanes due to range limitations. The 787 could open up new EWR-Asia and EWR-Middle East routes, but for now, LAX is a bigger priority.
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 47):
EWR doesn’t really need the 787 at this point. LAX needs the 787 because the 777 is too big for LAX-PVG & LAX-NRT since there is so much competition on those routes. The 787 will be perfect. UA can keep route open, but isn’t trying to fill up an airplane with extremely low yielding seats.

Most of EWR’s routes are within range of the 757 and 767, so UA already has capacity flexibility. EWR routes are not being forced to operate with larger airplanes due to range limitations. The 787 could open up new EWR-Asia and EWR-Middle East routes, but for now, LAX is a bigger priority.

These 757's and 767's won't last forever....
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Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
Some good stuff. Like how LAX will be getting the 787 first. Would have had money on the fact that it would have gone to SFO first.

Unfortunately for those of us in SFO, I'm not surprised it didn't. SFO is UA's major transpac hub. All of our Asian destinations support a 772 at the minimum and I can't think of anywhere that UA would want to add that would only support the 788. Maybe SFO-MEL? But I just don't think that the 788 is big enough to support SFO's capacity.

Perhaps in time, it will start to see service from SFO to Europe.
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