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Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:48 pm

The Stowaway was found in the wheel well of the British Airways 747 at London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 

[Edited 2012-08-23 07:50:24]
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:56 pm

If some people wouldresearch what they're doing before they climbed into the wheelwell of a jumbojet, maybe we wouldn't have so many tragedies like this.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

I'm not sure it was so much a tragedy as another tidbit proving Darwin right.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
If some people wouldresearch what they're doing before they climbed into the wheelwell of a jumbojet, maybe we wouldn't have so many tragedies like this.

Most of the time they have done just this - researched it extensively. They know the risks and that the odds are not in their favor, but desperation make people select options like this.


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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:30 pm

Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:49 pm

People will go to no ends to make a better life for themselves, especially if under extreme hardship.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:51 pm

The report here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19359935

mentions the stowaway "may have been" a man seen scaling the fence and running towards the aircraft at Cape Town. Security couldn't approach the plane "already in it's holding pattern ready for take-off". (Since when has queuing for take-off been "in a holding pattern"?). The man couldn't be found in a search.

Frankly, that's really shocking. They knew airport security had been breached and the man hadn't been apprehended, and yet the aircraft he was last seen running towards departed anyway? Setting aside the possibility he "just" intended to stow away and was going to die, what if he had malicious intent and wanted to kill everybody on board first?
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:07 pm

What appals me here is that the security staff at CPT saw him scale the fence and saw him run towards the aircraft yet they did not supsend operations at the airport immediately.

I was on a flight recently ex LHR on Fathers Day this year. Just as we were about to taxi onto 27R for departure the airport was immediately brought to a standstill because of the Fathers for Justice crowd cutting through the fence and running out onto grass at the side of the runway! It was all over in a flash and operations resumed in a relatively short space of time but thats exactly how it should be.

For all those security people in CPT knew that individual could have had a bomb strapped to him!
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.

Exactly, maybe their Apple computer wasn't booting up while they were enjoying their latte ... jeez ...
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
What appals me here is that the security staff at CPT saw him scale the fence and saw him run towards the aircraft yet they did not supsend operations at the airport immediately.

Completely agree - the consequences of this could have been horrendous and it's shocking that he was not stopped .
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:13 pm

From the article it sounds like they were trying to find someone running around at the airport. They notified BA, but didn’t hold the flight on the ground as the airplane might have already been cleared for takeoff before the security officer realized that the person could have ended up on the airplane.

It sounds like CPT needs to be a bit more tight with security and review its security procedures. I’ve seen other airports issue a groundstop for a dog or deer on the runway.

It would get cold up there, and there’s no way a human can survive for 12 hours above 30,000ft pressure altitude. People have survived short flights, but I haven’t heard of anyone surviving a long haul flight.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.

Yes, that is generally how most of them know where to hide when they reach the plane, and how not to get sucked into an engine. These are desperate people completely blinkered/blinded by the idea of a better life - it only takes one report of somebody doing this and surviving, which does happen (although rarely), to make them think they can do it too.


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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
People have survived short flights, but I haven’t heard of anyone surviving a long haul flight.

Amazingly it has happened. I think there's a guy who went from Cuba to Spain in a DC-8 a long time ago.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:24 am

Reminds me of the incident back in early 90s with an MH 742 from KUL-JNB. After arrival the FE found a frozen leg 'hanging' out from uder the wheel well. The dead stowaway also had severe gash on his body. Apparently died from wheel retraction at lift-off even before the air and temperature got to him.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:25 am

Now, exactly what kills them? The landing gear when retracting or the altitude and lack of Oxygen? Or does it depend on the size of the individual?
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 14):
Now, exactly what kills them? The landing gear when retracting or the altitude and lack of Oxygen? Or does it depend on the size of the individual?

I believe if they survive the landing gear it's more the cold which would be fatal. Lack of oxygen might be an issue but people have climbed Everest without Oxygen (28k ft).
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 15):

Anyone who has survived Everest without oxygen did it with months of acclimation. The reduction in oxygen from going from sea level to 35,000ft in 20 minutes will kill you before you get much more than chilly.

Remember Helios? I believe everyone was passed out before they finished the climb.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting AM744 (Reply 12):

Amazingly it has happened. I think there's a guy who went from Cuba to Spain in a DC-8 a long time ago.

Indeed. http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...AJ&sjid=IaEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=861,763294

I was also able to find this one, from 2007:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...la_Lumpur_hides_in_nose_wheel_well

He was arrested upon arrival.

Also, came across this topic from a few years ago, although it doesn't shed any more light on survivable incidents, beyond the above two:

RE: History Of Surviving Stowaways (by HAWK21M Oct 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting flyBTV (Reply 17):
Also, came across this topic from a few years ago, although it doesn't shed any more light on survivable incidents, beyond the above two:

Wikipedia under "stowaway" has a list of both survivors and those that died. From a quick scan of the list at least four people seem to have survived.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:45 pm

Its reall y no big deal this whole stowaway thing.. Ada Quonsett in her late 70's pulled it off several times back in the 70's aboard Trans Global...
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 19):
Its reall y no big deal this whole stowaway thing.. Ada Quonsett in her late 70's pulled it off several times back in the 70's aboard Trans Global...

...if this had been Ada she would have made it into Club World...upper deck

One can only dare to imagine the terror one would experience during the take-off run, gear retraction and initial climb in the wheel well of a 747.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:17 pm

In theory, if someone could access the avionics bay or the cargo hold would they be survivable?
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:22 pm

I think it was a Fine Air DC8 that returned to SIN becuase the gear wouldn't retratct all the way. Ended up being a stow away in there. They ended up writng the plane off because the gear did not fully extend.

There have also been stories of bodies falling out when the gear is lowered ,and landing in inopportune places.
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:52 pm

Certain areas of the Aircraft are unpressurized.....flying at FL40 & more can have some real low OAT & pressurization will be an issue.

But I guess its more that these folks are not aware.....
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting mcr (Reply 6):
mentions the stowaway "may have been" a man seen scaling the fence and running towards the aircraft at Cape Town. Security couldn't approach the plane "already in it's holding pattern ready for take-off". (Since when has queuing for take-off been "in a holding pattern"?). The man couldn't be found in a search.

I would think that most of the above and the comments on the BBC news site are just the BBC trying to make a story more viewer interesting as most media is these days. I am sure that security did not see the person at all in the first place, nor did they see them run toward the plane.

They are just trying to make a story.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:31 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 16):
Remember Helios? I believe everyone was passed out before they finished the climb.

What's the delta between passing out and being dead?
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting grozzy (Reply 21):

Indeed. Electrical bays and cargo bays are pressurised. The doors however are in pressurised structure so have feedback to the flight deck. If the door is opened an caution or advisory would pop up making the crew aware. The aircraft would not likely take off in that case.
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:12 pm

I was watching on as the fire crew found the body. Not good but they acted with dignity to the body.
 
 
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RE: Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:18 am

This report, from 2001, includes within it's tragic stories, one who did survive a longer flight;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/ju...ation.immigrationandpublicservices

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