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Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:33 pm

It should make travel to Machu Picchu much easier, hopefully allow a direct connection to PTY, MIA, IAH etc..

http://news.yahoo.com/peru-build-air...t-near-machu-picchu-113301306.html

IIRC AA had briefly operated JFK-LIM-Cusco in the mid '90s with a 757.
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:00 pm

Thoughts on a U.S. airline entering? In Safety Management System training at Delta, we were given an example (fictitious? I don't know) of Delta considering a Cusco flight but deciding not to based on all the flight safety factors of the current airport.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
It should make travel to Machu Picchu much easier, hopefully allow a direct connection to PTY, MIA, IAH etc..

LAN has already applied with the Peruvian DGAC to operate international flights from the current airport at Cuzco to Foz do Iguaçu, Brasil. The new airport at Cuzco will also allow LAN to open new regional routes to EZE, SCL, etc. By the time the new airport at Cuzco is built, LAN will have A320neos in the fleet; which could be used to open a CUZ-MIA route.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:03 pm

Cuzco and surroundings are high altitude and in an mountainous area, more than 3000 meters above sea level.
I know operations at the current airport are limited due to weather conditions and its location in an valley (which makes up for some spectacular views upon landing!), but what would bring a new airport when it comes to longer distance flights? Similar kind of limitations?
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting StevenG (Reply 3):
I know operations at the current airport are limited due to weather conditions and its location in an valley (which makes up for some spectacular views upon landing!), but what would bring a new airport when it comes to longer distance flights? Similar kind of limitations?

No, the new airport, although a little bit higher than the current one will feature not only a longer runway but will also be able to handle wide body aircraft and will allow night operations and ILS approach.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:57 pm

I am not in favour, just me.
STT757, imagine building an airport inside Yosemite National Park, . . . so it is easier to get there.
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:38 pm

Even if a new airport is built in CUZ, the journey to Machu Piccu will not change as Cuzco is about 80 miles away. It is a long and tortuous trip, a combination of car/bus/train. The combination depends upon the weather and which roads and bridges our damaged by floods during the rainy season. Went in March and took the bus halfway due to rail line damage about 20 miles out of Cuzco.

If you are adventurous, you can hire a guide and porters and hike all the way from Cuzco to Machu Piccu. The trip takes about 2 1/2 weeks. This is how the Inca royalty did it in the 1500s.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:13 am

The existing Cuzco airport is fine.

I have a feeling this is yet another example of a developing country wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that could be better spent providing basic services -- sanitation, clean drinking water -- to its citizens.

Dakar is another example. The current DKR airport needs an overhaul, but is more than adequate enough, space-wise, to serve Senegal. Instead of fixing it up, the government is spending billions to build a whole new airport, south of the city near the beach resorts.

The only people who make out from these wasteful projects are the contractors and builders.


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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
I have a feeling this is yet another example of a developing country wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that could be better spent providing basic services -- sanitation, clean drinking water -- to its citizens.

The additional income from increased passenger traffic at the new CUZ airport and greater tourism throughout the area could be used to fund the basic services you cite. It's an investment.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 8):
The additional income from increased passenger traffic at the new CUZ airport and greater tourism throughout the area could be used to fund the basic services you cite. It's an investment.

Indeed, it is extremely important that a new airport is built to replace the current airport. Currently, CUZ is near total collapse and faces significant capacity constraints. The construction of the new airport is vital to the entire Peruvian economy since an increasing amount of tourists continue to visit Cuzco annually. The construction of the new airport is also part of Perú's plan to modernize the infrastructure of its airports as domestic air traffic continues to increase rapidly in the country.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting traindoc (Reply 6):
If you are adventurous, you can hire a guide and porters and hike all the way from Cuzco to Machu Piccu. The trip takes about 2 1/2 weeks. This is how the Inca royalty did it in the 1500s.

It's only a 4 days 3 night hike along the Inca Trail, not 2.5 weeks...
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
The existing Cuzco airport is fine.



It is also fun!!! I recall in the late 70's flying out on an Aero Peru F28 (I think) sitting with gold miners, complete with bags of nuggets and loaded .45's on their laps!

Wind gusts in the Andes can also be extra exciting!
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:06 pm

When I went to Machu Picchu this April our tour guide mentioned that the Peruvian authorities wished to build a new international airport near to the city. I think he pointed the area out as we went through Chinchero, and obviously it has now been approved.

It’s good for the local economy that the new airport will allow tourism to develop further, but I hope that it doesn’t just mean that tourists will be shipped into and out of Machu Picchu without enjoying Cusco, which is a wonderful city.

From a personal perspective, flying into and out of Cusco has to be one of my favorite flying experiences. The location in the centre of the city with the surrounding mountains is fantastic.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:13 pm

Landing in CUZ is part of the adventure of traveling to Peru and I'll be sad to see the old airport close. While a new airport might be great operationally and for the local economy, I fear that Cuzco and the Sacred Valley will be overrun by even more tourists. Machu Pichu has basically reached "capacity" and there is a limit imposed of 2500 max persons each day. There has even been talk of limiting the time a visitor is allowed to stay in the park.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:17 pm

Given that Machu Picchu is already suffering under the strain of the current influx of tourism, heaven knows how bad it'll be if people can fly more or less direct to it?!

I sure hope the Peruvian government has some plans in place to ensure that isn't the case..
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:53 am

To jetsetter.

The Inca trail is only 24 miles and you start hiking much closer to Macchu Piccu . I am talking about replicating the hike from Cuzco to Macchu Piccu which is how the Inca royalty got there. There is an article on the New York Times website which details this hike and the incredible ruins which can only be reached on foot.

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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting traindoc (Reply 6):
the journey to Machu Picchu will not change as Cuzco is about 80 miles away.

The point here is basically a new airport serving Cuzco area and avoiding the layover at LIM for those tourists from abroad.
Most of them must spend at least one night in Lima prior to leave towards CUZ.
LP LIM-CUZ has recently recorded their highest levels, in terms of daily frequencies and the intended airport will alleviate the crowded LIM-CUZ sector.

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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting traindoc (Reply 15):
The Inca trail is only 24 miles and you start hiking much closer to Macchu Piccu . I am talking about replicating the hike from Cuzco to Macchu Piccu which is how the Inca royalty got there. There is an article on the New York Times website which details this hike and the incredible ruins which can only be reached on foot.

Gotcha - I know you start the Inca trail near Ollantaytambo versus Cusco. On my "to-do" list for 2013
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:59 pm

No way Peru will allow another airport to have long range international flights outside of Lima. I was there much of last year reading how Trujillo, Chiclayo were told no for approvals for long range international service. And by long range, I mean more than localized country connections in SA.

if its coming to peru from the west, it goes to Lima.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:12 pm

The new airport will be higher at around 3,700m ASL, so I presume we can expect a 4,000m runway similar to La Paz. Even so, I'm not sure if direct flights to Europe would be possible.


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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
The new airport will be higher at around 3,700m ASL, so I presume we can expect a 4,000m runway similar to La Paz. Even so, I'm not sure if direct flights to Europe would be possible.

Even LPB is not capable to sustain non-stop flights fully packed to Europe.
The non-stop scheduled services linking Bolivia and Spain were attended out of VVI instead.

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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:56 am

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 18):
No way Peru will allow another airport to have long range international flights outside of Lima.

Why? IIRC AA has 757 CUZ-JFK rights but operationally have to stop in LIM. I'd love to see CUZ-North America flights.
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:33 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
Why? IIRC AA has 757 CUZ-JFK rights but operationally have to stop in LIM. I'd love to see CUZ-North America flights.

Why? Politics, simple as that? There is more than AA that has rights to Cuzco, but, much money has been invested into Lima and they want all the international connections. They may continue to other places, but operationally they will go to LIM first. It is simply the way it is. The only exceptions are places like Iquitos that has flights to Brazil.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
Even LPB is not capable to sustain non-stop flights fully packed to Europe.
The non-stop scheduled services linking Bolivia and Spain were attended out of VVI instead.

Indeed, although it would be around 1000ft lower which will make a slight difference.


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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 22):
but, much money has been invested into Lima

You don't think much money is being invested in a brand new airport?
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:21 pm

Sure I do. But it is less than half what was invested in LIM. Everything goes through LIM as a mandate presently. And every other airport's maneuver to feed in international flights has been told no, that it goes through the centralized national airport, which is LIM.

And Peru is a very centralized place, corrupt and the team in charge of the Lima airport have control in the government where others do not.

This isn't about what I think, this is about how the government of Peru works.
 
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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:19 am

Speaking about CUZ, the following schedule shows the seasonal flights linking CUZ and Chile.

LA 1356......SCL 11:00........CUZ 11:50..........319
LA 1357......CUZ 16:00........IQQ 19:20...........319
LA 1357......IQQ2000...........SCL 22:15..........319
Effective: October 19 - October 21

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RE: Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport

Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:52 am

That's the the same thing. Chile, Brazil and Comunidad Andina (Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia) have special agreements (a lot like Canada/Usa/Bermuda and previously with Dominican republic, Bahamas).

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