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Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:32 am

Where would the AA 787 go?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:37 am

DFW-HKG (though I think this is better suited for the 77W), MIA-JNB are a couple of routes that pop to my mind.

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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:44 am

Would love to see MIA-NRT but not sure if that would happen. I would hope AA would finally start MIA-JNB. If they ever got their act together in TLV MIA-TLV I think could work also.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:51 am

DFW-GRU
DFW-NRT
MIA-NRT
LAX-ICN (eh, maybe)
LAX-HKG



I would put DFW-LHR but they use BA's code share for their routes across the pond. I would truly hope that with the addition of the 773's they will crack open the Asian and Indian market.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:54 am

Everyone is alluding to International travel only for the 787. I'm certain that you'll see the them on many domestic flights as the years go on!
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:59 am

I'd say JFK-HND, MIA-NRT, JFK-BOM, ORD-TLV, JFK-TLV.
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting United727 (Reply 4):
Everyone is alluding to International travel only for the 787. I'm certain that you'll see the them on many domestic flights as the years go on!

Tis true. I can see Trans-con replacing the 767-2 but definitely not SEA-MIA (although I'd love to be on it for sure) One could only dream   
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
Tis true. I can see Trans-con replacing the 767-2 but definitely not SEA-MIA (although I'd love to be on it for sure) One could only dream  

An A321 is going to be used from JFK-LAX/SFO.
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
MIA-NRT

Yep definitely the best possible route.

If this happens, coupled with the UA service and of course NH and JL, NRT will be 787 city!

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
DFW-NRT

hmmmm maybe 77W would fill this better.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
DFW-HKG (though I think this is better suited for the 77W), MIA-JNB are a couple of routes that pop to my mind.

Agree with both.
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:43 am

Very good topic, and it complements the current UA 787 topic quite well!

Quoting United727 (Reply 4):
Everyone is alluding to International travel only for the 787. I'm certain that you'll see the them on many domestic flights as the years go on!

I doubt it, unless it's part of a routing like JNB-MIA-LAX-NRT or something like that. With fingers crossed due to frequently flying on the MIA-LAX route!  
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:57 am

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 7):

You're right. Totally forgot about the 321's coming aboard.

Would it be safe to say JFK-GRU or LAX-SCL? I'm sure the new 773's could manage the JFK-GRU but I'm guessing the 787 has the legs to pull off the LAX-SCL route.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:04 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 10):

Would it be safe to say JFK-GRU or LAX-SCL? I'm sure the new 773's could manage the JFK-GRU but I'm guessing the 787 has the legs to pull off the LAX-SCL route.

I would think JFK-GRU would stay 777. Also would think LAN would be a better bet for LAX-SCL.(don't they fly it already?)

Quoting United727 (Reply 4):

Short of repo flights, and maybe some Hawaii flying....i wouldn't get my hopes up for much.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:35 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
Also would think LAN would be a better bet for LAX-SCL.(don't they fly it already?)

Yes, LAN operates SCL-LAX 3x weekly during the high season, along with the SCL-LIM-LAX route daily. In October, LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-LAX route to 13x weekly. LAX is an important gateway for LAN; which serves to route pax traveling between South America and Asia. LAN offers connections to HKG, ICN and NRT via LAX and has bilateral code-share agreements with CX, JAL and KE. LAX will be one of the first destinations where LAN will deploy the B-787.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:43 am

They are replacing the older 763's so there will be some domestic flying and Hawaii will be in the mix from DFW....but that will be down the road. No word in house on routes yet...so ya'll are just speculating.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:57 am

Knowing AA, I'm sure they'll all go to LHR, GRU, and NRT....
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):

The 787 is too small for DFW-NRT or DFW-GRU.

The 787 would be a great plane for routes like MIA-NRT and DFW-HKG but I don't know if AA is that brave. They will probably replace 763 routes.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
The 787 is too small for DFW-NRT or DFW-GRU.

What about ORD-GRU?
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 5):
TLV, JFK-TLV.
Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
If they ever got their act together in TLV MIA-TLV I think could work also



Did AA ever settle the suit with the Israeli Govt. that they inherited from TW? If not, AA won't be flying to TLV at all...
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 5):
I'd say JFK-HND, MIA-NRT, JFK-BOM, ORD-TLV, JFK-TLV.

TLV for AA is out.

I doubt AA could make a dime in India either.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:16 pm

How about JFK-DXB and LAX-DXB?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:46 pm

maybe they would get back into the OSA or TPE markets before going to a new one like HKG? I say that with a little uncertainty because I know it's OW hub-hub service.

I think MIA-NRT is a pipe dream, the only way the could fill it would be local Floridians who go to DFW or ORD now, or 80% on connecting traffic from Mexico, Central and South America. Maybe I am totally wrong though. Who knows.

If Bob Crandall were CEO I would say it's going to a new route, but with the current climate at AA, I highly doubt it's going to be on any new routes for a while.

Maybe if NH blows SJC out of the water they'll bring it back SJC-NRT. Who knows, it would be still be OW hub-hub... I have heard the Asia-Pacific market has struggled with not having their own metal from the Bay Area. so who knows.
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 19):
How about JFK-DXB and LAX-DXB?

They couldnt make any money on those either. No way they could compete with EK.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 19):
How about JFK-DXB and LAX-DXB?

They couldnt make any money on those either. No way they could compete with EK.

Yep. EK has a product which kicks the living daylights out of AA's product.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
Also would think LAN would be a better bet for LAX-SCL.(don't they fly it already?)

I thought about that too.

Since they have the -9 on order, how much more range does the -8 have than the -9?
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 23):
I thought about that too.

Since they have the -9 on order, how much more range does the -8 have than the -9?

LAN is not going to deploy the B-787-9s on the SCL-LIM-LAX or SCL-LAX routes after LAN receives its initial batch. However, it would be awesome if LAN deploys the B-787-8 on the SCL-LAX route on certain days during late December or early next year.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 19):
How about JFK-DXB and LAX-DXB?

They couldnt make any money on those either. No way they could compete with EK.

Huge negative on that one. EK has the upper hand on these routes easily.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
LAN is not going to deploy the B-787-9s on the SCL-LIM-LAX or SCL-LAX routes after LAN receives its initial batch. However, it would be awesome if LAN deploys the B-787-8 on the SCL-LAX route on certain days during late December or early next year.

Do they operate anything close to that at the moment?? Seems like a no brainer.
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 20):
Maybe if NH blows SJC out of the water they'll bring it back SJC-NRT.

As much as I'd like to see that I doubt that SJC-NRT can support two flights. I was hoping for one of AS's partners (DL, AA) to pick up SJC-NRT for the frequent flier mile partnership with AS, but as I'm finding lately FF miles are becoming more worthless anyway so who cares.

I suppose the AA/JL partnership could have started SJC-NRT, but I think NH is a much better airline than JL (shhh, don't tell anyone I said that). So I guess I'm happy that NH picked up the route.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 13):
They are replacing the older 763's so there will be some domestic flying and Hawaii will be in the mix from DFW....but that will be down the road. No word in house on routes yet...so ya'll are just speculating.

I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
I doubt AA could make a dime in India either.

India can't make a dime on India.
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 19):
How about JFK-DXB and LAX-DXB?

Not a chance. Routes like JFKDXB and LAXDXB are also heavy on connecting traffic over Dubai to destinations beyond the UAE. Nowhere near enough O&D for AA to go head-to-head with EK.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 27):
I suppose the AA/JL partnership could have started SJC-NRT, but I think NH is a much better airline than JL (shhh, don't tell anyone I said that). So I guess I'm happy that NH picked up the route.

It's also a market best left for Star Alliance to fill in the void, especially since AA has abandoned ties with Silicon Valley. Makes much more sense to venture into regions such as SAN and BOS where there is still plenty of OneWorld loyalty and for JL to leverage ties/codeshare/interline agreements with the local hub carrier (such as B6 in BOS).

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
What about ORD-GRU?

Certainly possible and one I'd really like to see.

It is also possible that AA may replace some of their existing Asia/China routes (i.e. LAXPVG) with the 787, much like UA has chosen to do.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):
I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii.

That is a popular perception, but others have stated it's false. AS sure does well flying to Hawaii.

But yes, I would agree with your speculation that Hawaii routes will be among the last to get 767s and 757s as they are replaced by newer airplanes.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 29):
Not a chance. Routes like JFKDXB and LAXDXB are also heavy on connecting traffic over Dubai to destinations beyond the UAE. Nowhere near enough O&D for AA to go head-to-head with EK.

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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 30):
That is a popular perception, but others have stated it's false. AS sure does well flying to Hawaii.

But you can't do so with a premium three-class international product. AA's 787s will not be configured appropriately for Hawaii (or any other domestic) flying. And, in any case, they're far too big to be effective on almost any domestic flight.

Don't forget that a 789 is just barely smaller than a 772.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:47 pm

Everyone keeps saying about TLV, and that is something I would doubt.

Back when TWA was independent, they quickly left TLV. They had a bunch of back debt (landing fees, unpaid wages, and ect) which was transfered to AA in the eyes of the Israeli government. So until AA pays back all the money TWA owes them there will no AA in TLV.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 26):
Do they operate anything close to that at the moment?? Seems like a no brainer.

Eventually all LA operated flights into both LAX and SFO will operate with the B-787-8s. The SCL-LIM-LAX route will soon operate with the B-787-8. However, LA's priority is to phase out the A343s over the next two years; thus LA will deploy the B-787-8s on its routes to Europe. LA is also planning on launching new routes to Europe in order to increase LATAM's operations in Europe and will open 4 new destinations in Europe in the next two years.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):
Quoting N737AA (Reply 13):
They are replacing the older 763's so there will be some domestic flying and Hawaii will be in the mix from DFW....but that will be down the road. No word in house on routes yet...so ya'll are just speculating.

I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii.

They are the 767 replacement, but that is why I said that type of flying would be down the road. Yes, 757/763 will continue the domestic role they play now, including Hawaii, until they are gone. But eventually you will see them where the capacity is needed.

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 35):
Yes, 757/763 will continue the domestic role they play now, including Hawaii, until they are gone. But eventually you will see them where the capacity is needed.

I would bet money that 10 years from now the only domestic 787-9 flights are repositioning flights. I think the A319/A321neo and 737 MAX will take over all of the other 757 and 767 domestic missions.

I think the 787-9 is just too big for almost any domestic service.
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
I doubt AA could make a dime in India either

They didn't the last time, I doubt another foray into the India market is going to do any better, while India based carriers are all struggling to one degree or another.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):

I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii

I bet HA would disagree with you on that, I know AS would too. You are correct, as delivered the AA 787's will be 3 cabin and cater to international flying, but AA has reconfigured aircraft before to meet the demands of domestic markets.

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 31):
Thanks for being the umpteenth person to tell me this..... I get it already...

The problem IMO, is that people read the first posting you made, then quote selected text and race to the bottom to disagree, (which is many peoples favorite thing to do) without taking the time to see if another person has said what they want so badly to correct you on.  
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 31):
Thanks for being the umpteenth person to tell me this..... I get it already...

There were merely two other people who responded to your post and all I did was contribute a little information about O&D patterns between LAX/JFK and DXB. Other posters commented on AA's inferior product, but my purpose was simply to add that AA is also unlikely to enter those markets against EK because the demand isn't there to fill the planes profitably.

The majority of the traffic that EK carries between said points consists of connecting passengers, which justifies the current high volume capacity available on EK metal currently serving LAXDXB and JFKDXB. On the flip side, AA will not be able to siphon off enough high-yielding traffic because DXB will be the primary terminating point from either LAX or JFK, and at present, there is not enough O&D on these two routes to make them economically viable. Therefore, there is no reason to dedicate resources on them.

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 38):
There were merely two other people who responded to your post and all I did was contribute a little information about O&D patterns between LAX/JFK and DXB.

I was exaggerating a little bit there. I am sure you understand you were beating a dead horse already.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:16 pm

I would most of all love to see a Tel-Aviv route open..... Or maybe ORD-ATH? Or DFW-FCO? Just throwing around some exotic ideas.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 20):

If Bob Crandall were CEO I would say it's going to a new route, but with the current climate at AA, I highly doubt it's going to be on any new routes for a while.

Except by the time AA starts taking delivery of 787s, AA should be out of Bankruptcy. By that point, AA should be in expansion mode.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 39):
I was exaggerating a little bit there. I am sure you understand you were beating a dead horse already.

Or, I was trying to add some extra information that could be perceived as valuable to not just you, but a broader audience of people reading these threads, but clearly it only merited sassy responses so I guess I'll refrain???

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 40):
I would most of all love to see a Tel-Aviv route open..... Or maybe ORD-ATH? Or DFW-FCO? Just throwing around some exotic ideas.

Not with the way things stand in Greece nor Italy. Athens is actually not even served by a single nonstop flight to any point in the US this summer, and the situation doesn't seem like it is going to improve anytime soon.

FCO is highly seasonal and leisure-oriented and a DFW route wouldn't carry strong-yielding traffic. Certainly not in F, either.

My guess is that the primary 788 AA launch routes will be in Latin America, Asia, and possibly Oceania. Europe, not as much.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 42):
My guess is that the primary 788 AA launch routes will be in Latin America, Asia, and possibly Oceania. Europe, not as much.

IIRC, AA plans to acquire only B-787-9s, not B-787-8s.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):
I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 30):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 28):
I doubt that we would see the 787 flying to HNL or any where else in Hawaii until the 763 is down to its final routes. There is very little money to be made going to Hawaii.

That is a popular perception, but others have stated it's false. AS sure does well flying to Hawaii.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 37):
I bet HA would disagree with you on that, I know AS would too. You are correct, as delivered the AA 787's will be 3 cabin and cater to international flying, but AA has reconfigured aircraft before to meet the demands of domestic markets.

I was just saying that the AA 787's with their three class layout won't be in Hawaii soon because AA would like to use it on their more premium routes. All lot of the premium traffic are award tickets and frequent fliers using their miles.

Beside on most of the flights to Hawaii, the "first class" really is just domestic business. Nothing really special about it.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 44):
I was just saying that the AA 787's with their three class layout won't be in Hawaii soon because AA would like to use it on their more premium routes. All lot of the premium traffic are award tickets and frequent fliers using their miles.

Beside on most of the flights to Hawaii, the "first class" really is just domestic business. Nothing really special about it.

Sort of. Most 757s that fly to Hawaii are in domestic configurations, but I'm reasonably confident that DL, and I know for certain that AA and some UA widebody flights feature an international business class. Service may be pared down a bit, but AA's HNL hard product is the exact same that they fly to places like SCL and FRA. I'm reasonably certain DL and UA do this with selected mainland-HNL and OGG routes as well.

When the time comes, I could see a subfleet of Y-heavy 789s replace the 763s to HNL and OGG from DFW and ORD. Perhaps like the DC-10's retirement, the 763's final routes may be to Hawaii. I just don't know what other aircraft AA could use from DFW and ORD to HNL; too far for a narrowbody, and I neither see AA devoting 777s to the Hawaii market nor dropping the routes.

Speaking of, if AA is only ordering the 787-9, which is similar to a 77E in capacity, what will replace mid-market demand routes currently served by the 763?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:33 pm

All this speculation is very interesting... but has AA ever actually firmed their 787 orders? I thought they were still hanging in limbo until they get an agreement with the crews to actually fly them.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 46):
All this speculation is very interesting... but has AA ever actually firmed their 787 orders? I thought they were still hanging in limbo until they get an agreement with the crews to actually fly them.
AA has 42 787-9's on order and AA will get its first 787 in 2014.

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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 44):
I was just saying that the AA 787's with their three class layout won't be in Hawaii soon because AA would like to use it on their more premium routes. All lot of the premium traffic are award tickets and frequent fliers using their miles.

The 787s will be 2 class though. The only 3 class aircraft in the fleet will eventually be the 77W and 321 transcon.
 
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RE: Future AA 787 Routes

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 46):
All this speculation is very interesting... but has AA ever actually firmed their 787 orders? I thought they were still hanging in limbo until they get an agreement with the crews to actually fly them.

Earlier this year there was a huge pomp and circumstance regarding the 787 and it was there for a day or two before flying back to Everett. With that said it's a safe assumption it'll be ordered.