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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:17 pm

http://www.air-journal.fr/2012-07-25...a-flotte-aller-a-paris-553055.html

Seems as Philippines will order some dozens Airbusses , and will have a press conference about that next week.

What type (s) remains a mystery.

A320NEO ? A330 ? A350 ?

Less than one week to get the answer !
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:28 pm

Seems this is a far better and up-to-date reference : PAL mulls Airbus order
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:13 pm

I believe we can rule out the A380-800 and A350-1000 as the 777-300ERs will handle the 747-400 replacement.

Can the 245t A330-300 perform the missions PA is currently using the A340-300s on? If it can, I expect they will order it to bolster their current A330-300 fleet. If not, then the A350-900 will be the answer.

The bulk will probably be a mix of A320-200s and A320-200neos.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:52 pm

Pretty sure there will be A330-300s in the basket , since in some other articles published in the last weeks , PR CEO said they want to replace their actual A330s by new ones.

I will say A333 and A320NEO are both given , and perhaps A359.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:24 pm

I would assume a huge order implies A320 NEOs as they have 77Ws on order, but I guess it could include A330s or A350s. Are they still blacklisted from the EU and FAA category 2? That would really slow down any international expansion.

I'd be a bit surprised to see too large of an order. PAL is not in that good of shape financially, so an order of 100 airplanes for an airline that can't operate a fleet of 40 airplanes profitably does not sound like a wise investment. Cebu has been taking market share from PAL.
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:48 pm

PR could use 4 A380's on the LAX and SFO run. They just don't have the money to pay for those planes.

Can the new A330 make MNL-YVR year round? If yes then expect a bunch of A330-300 orders and NEO's

I wonder what happened to the statement said by PR that Boeing had this order? Did Airbus give some great incentives?

Edit:

I predict an order for 12 A330-300 to replace the current 8 A330-300 and 4A340-300, plus a bunch of NEO's to replace the current single aisle fleet. Hopefully some A321 NEO's will be included.

[Edited 2012-08-24 12:52:06]
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
Are they still blacklisted from the EU and FAA category 2? That would really slow down any international expansion.

The article says that they are.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:43 pm

probably no A380's for pal as its president Ramon Ang expressed that they are more interested in the 748 as the Airbus jumbo cannot be accommodated by airports in cebu, palawan and davao as they also deploy their 747's in these domestic destinations.
im thinking that they would pass on some of their single aisle jets to sister airline airphils express. PAL is hoping to relaunch flights to europe and expand its routes in usa and canada if cat1 rating is achieved next year and EU would lift its ban on PH carriers.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Can the 245t A330-300 perform the missions PA is currently using the A340-300s on?

The 77W is replacing the 343, it is at YVR anyway. The 748I has an outside shot at PR too, it has been mentioned but the 77W could quite likely replace the 744 too when the issue flying it to the USA have been resolved..

I think the bulk of this order will be 320neo with a large percentage going to AirPhil Express.
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):
I predict an order for 12 A330-300 to replace the current 8 A330-300 and 4A340-300, plus a bunch of NEO's to replace the current single aisle fleet. Hopefully some A321 NEO's will be included.

The A330 does not have the range and they have 77ws on order that do. They just need approval to fly them ETOPS.
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Can the 245t A330-300 perform the missions PA is currently using the A340-300s on?

When did Airbus announce the 245t version? A google search doesn't reveal much.
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:25 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):
I wonder what happened to the statement said by PR that Boeing had this order? Did Airbus give some great incentives?
PR are blacklisted in the EU.
This could be part of negotiations to get off that list. By European, become friends with Europe.

I'm sure I read somewhere that they had chosen to order some Boeings.

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 11):
PR are blacklisted in the EU.
This could be part of negotiations to get off that list. By European, become friends with Europe.

In the same way that the only PK aircraft allowed to fly to europe were 77W's?

I would think that the US market is more attractive to PAL.
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:43 am

I agree with the 2P comments. Probably just to match 5J growth. Domestic flights run full, even the new DG ones, but one has to wonder at what yields... 500-peso tickets are the norm these days... PR domestic network is a shadow of its prime these days and they seem to transfer more and more to 2P. I think they should just concentrate on CEB/DVO/GES/PPS and codeshare with 2P to offer intl connections.

PR may be doing bad financially itself, but their owner sells enough beer to order a dozen widebodies. 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 10):
When did Airbus announce the 245t version?

Sorry. 240t. But I believe they're seeing if they can get it to 245t.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Glad to hear about this as the airline has been quite quiet lately, and even shrunk by moving some of the domestics to APX.
But what I don't understand is how not only PR, but all Philippine carriers can continue ordering aircraft when MNL is totally full! Even though it has two runways, runway 13/31 intersects with the main 06/24 and two aircraft are not allowed simultaneous movements (if I'm not wrong). And the estimated 33 million passengers for 2012 are about what a single runway airport can handle!
Not much is happening with CRK and the only thing being done at MNL are new exitways from the runways to speed up landings, and airlines rescheduling flights to make the use of slots more effective. But that is not enough for all new aircraft that are due!

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
PR may be doing bad financially itself, but their owner sells enough beer to order a dozen widebodies. 

Even enough for an A380 or two?  
Jokes aside, some say the plane is too big for PR, but I'd say no plane would be too big for the MNL-LAX/SFO runs. Other than those, I can agree there aren't many more destination that can fill these up.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
I agree with the 2P comments. Probably just to match 5J growth.

Correct. Competition on the Philippine domestic air travel market is fierce! The CAB recently reported a 13% increase during H1 this year.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
Domestic flights run full, even the new DG ones

You've seen numbers already? Please share...

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
but one has to wonder at what yields

I don't know about the others, but 5J must atleast be doing something right as they always report a profit, even now!

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):

Considering QF cancelled a firm order of B787s this week due to financial reasons I doubt PR is in better shape...

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Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
If it can, I expect they will order it to bolster their current A330-300 fleet. If not, then the A350-900 will be the answer.

The bulk will probably be a mix of A320-200s and A320-200neos.

I guess this is a fair assumption of what PR might officially announce as orders next week.  .
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Can the 245t A330-300 perform the missions PA is currently using the A340-300s on?

I think new routes to the ME are the main purpose of planned IGW A333s acquisition.....as well as to replace existing types to Hawaii.

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
If it can, I expect they will order it to bolster their current A330-300 fleet.
Quoting titus95 (Reply 3):
PR CEO said they want to replace their actual A330s by new ones.

The old A333s may be taken over by 2P, or returned to lessors if not owned.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
That would really slow down any international expansion.
Quoting filoflyer (Reply 7):
PAL is hoping to relaunch flights to europe and expand its routes in usa and canada if cat1 rating is achieved next year and EU would lift its ban on PH carriers.

I assume deliveries would be scheduled for when PR have very strong indications of the bans being lifted.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 5):

I wonder what happened to the statement said by PR that Boeing had this order?

The statement was for a mix leaning more heavily towards Boeing.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 8):
The 748I has an outside shot at PR too, it has been mentioned but the 77W could quite likely replace the 744 too when the issue flying it to the USA have been resolved..

Perhaps when the 748i finally make specs.

Quoting garpd (Reply 11):
PR are blacklisted in the EU.
This could be part of negotiations to get off that list. By European, become friends with Europe.

A tacit admittance that the EU are using sanctions to gain airliner sales?

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
I agree with the 2P comments. Probably just to match 5J growth.

Would be an uninspiring goal just matching your competitor's performance...especially when you're the flag-carrier.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 15):
I don't know about the others, but 5J must at least be doing something right as they always report a profit, even now!

As the saying goes, there's a variety of ways for skinning a cat.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Considering QF cancelled a firm order of B787s this week due to financial reasons I doubt PR is in better shape...

Wouldn't it be utterly flabbergasting should PR pick up a few of those delivery slots?   

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Quoting garpd (Reply 11):
PR are blacklisted in the EU.
This could be part of negotiations to get off that list. By European, become friends with Europe.

Or on the other hand, if they bought American (Boeing), perhaps their US/FAA Cat II status would suddenly be upgraded to Cat I?

I kind of doubt it works that way. (I sure hope not anyway.)

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Last I heard, this order was going to Boeing.
 
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Their A330s are among the oldest flying. I could easily see them replace them with new ones.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
Their A330s are among the oldest flying. I could easily see them replace them with new ones.

Looks like they're all 15+ years old. I expect what really hurts is that because they're the 183rd to 204th frame built (per airfleets.net MSN entry), their MTOW is probably 188t or 212t and at maximum payload, they should be restricted to around 3000nm? A new 240t model will give them almost an extra 1000nm of range.

Their A340-313Xs would have another 1500nm beyond that, so that might need the A350-900.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting titus95 (Thread starter):
Seems as Philippines will order some dozens Airbusses , and will have a press conference about that next week.

First off, I apologize, as I don't speak/read but a few words of French except a few I picked up the last time I was in Paris. But where in that article does it say they are ordering Airbus's? All I could pick up was the references to their current fleet, and a recap of their already-announced plans for a full renewal.

Don't get me wrong - I think an order for A32Xneo's and 240t A333's makes enormous sense for this airline. I just didn't see anywhere in the linked article that the order was 'in the bag.'


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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/phi...ls-airbus-order-sources-2012-08-24

Hamlet69 , you are 100% right.I made a mistake by posting an old link about Philippines.

The one above , posted by Pihero is much much better appropriated !
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 18):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Considering QF cancelled a firm order of B787s this week due to financial reasons I doubt PR is in better shape...

Wouldn't it be utterly flabbergasting should PR pick up a few of those delivery slots?

I ain't betting on it as anything is possible in the aviation industry... Who would've thought EK would've been the largest operator of the B777 and A380 in the 21st century!

Moving back on topic, how many B77W aircraft are on order to join the PR fleet...

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Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
how many B77W aircraft are on order to join the PR fleet

6. 3 already delivered, 1 due in November then 2 more next year. The last 4 were purchased by PR while the first 2 are leased from GECAS.
 
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Quoting Devilfish (Reply 18):

A tacit admittance that the EU are using sanctions to gain airliner sales?

While I'm not saying it's true, I would not be surprised if such did happen.
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I guess the bulk of the order will be for A320/A320NEO and not so many widebodies if any at all.
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Quoting columba (Reply 28):
not so many widebodies if any at all.

Considering the age of their A330's, and the earliest possible delivery date for newly ordered A330's, I would not be surprised at all if quite a number of A330's would (also) be ordered. Just my   
 
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Quoting CityAirline (Reply 15):
You've seen numbers already? Please share...

No numbers, just 2 departures on Z2 from domestic, and I witnessed 4-5 DG flights board. 150+ pax on all of them. I expected low loads since the flights just started weeks ago. They seem to be getting over the TR cabotage issues too, RP-C6320 wears a big "It's more fun in the Philippines" billboard and "book now at tigerairways.com.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 18):
Would be an uninspiring goal just matching your competitor's performance...especially when you're the flag-carrier.

PR has no choice. They won't be able to compete with 5J/DG/Z2 costs with their unions, so they need to boost 2P to retain market share.

I wonder how well Zest is doing, they have all A319/320 routes 688 all in all the time. And Zest-O surely doesn't match the finances of the Robinsons conglomerate (5J), San Mig (2P) or Singapore Airlines (DG thru TR).
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 28):
I guess the bulk of the order will be for A320/A320NEO and not so many widebodies if any at all.
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
Considering the age of their A330's, and the earliest possible delivery date for newly ordered A330's, I would not be surprised at all if quite a number of A330's would (also) be ordered.

So far, the latest report on the planned order says it will mostly be A321s (with some A321neos).....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_08_24_2012_p0-489330.xml

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"One of the executives said a decision will be announced as early as Aug. 28, but others say it may take longer to announce because no firm contract has been signed yet. Three industry executives say the order will be for 10 A330s and around 44 A321s. No decision has been made yet on the engines, the three executives add.

The A321 order includes some A321Neos, one of the executives says. But the bulk of the A321s on order are likely to be for the existing model, because two of the executives say PAL – as part of the deal – has secured first deliveries of the A321s in 2013.

[.....]

PAL’s decision to go with the higher capacity A321 is significant, because it currently has no A321s. However, PAL’s largest local competitor, Cebu Pacific Air, has ordered A321s, and that carrier’s CEO-advisor, Garry Kingshott, has said publicly that slot constraints at Manila airport mean the importance of the larger capacity narrowbody 'cannot be underestimated.' The fact that the A321 has more seats than an A320 means PAL may plan to also use the aircraft to replace some of its widebodies on short-haul international routes. PAL, for example, operates A340s and 747-400s from Manila to Hong Kong. The A321 has a much lower operating cost than the aging, four-engine widebodies.

As for PAL’s decision to order more A330s, it may be a sign that it is getting ready to eventually take its 777-300ERs off medium-haul Asia Pacific routes, such as those it serves from the Philippines to Australia and Tokyo. PAL originally ordered the 777-300ERs for routes to the U.S."



Far as I can tell, GE's engine has the lowest thrust rating among the powerplants on offer for the new 240T A333.....

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...330family/a330-300/specifications/

.....however, it has the advantage of commonality with the rest of PR's fleet.
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 31):
So far, the latest report on the planned order says it will mostly be A321s (with some A321neos)..

Thanks for your info. With 10 A330's (if confirmed) my expectations are more or less met.  
 
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http://www.aeroweb-fr.net/actualites...evrait-commander-jusqua-100-avions

Another source says 80 narrow bodies (mostly A321 classic) , and 20 wide bodies , including 10 A330s.

This means 10 wide bodies to be determined.More A330s or 10 A350s ?

This source also says , Boeing has lost this order , referring to the price and attendance.
 
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Reuters is reporting the deal is for 10 A330-300s and 20 A320 family planes. Boeing may also not be out of the running for a widebody order due to the US Government's support the Philippine Government in a dispute with China. Back in April, a Philippine aviation blog claimed PA was preparing to order 4 747-8s and 12 787-8s.


The Aviation Week article mentioned Airbus had been able to secure A321-200 delivery positions for 2013, perhaps due to customer cancellations or deferrals, whereas Boeing had no 737 delivery positions available that early.

80 A321-200s would be a four-fold increase in their narrowbody fleet in terms of number and a five-fold increase in seats. Their A319-100 and A320-200 fleet have an average age of under six years, so these would be almost all for expansion. Where would they fly them and what domestic routes need that kind of capacity?

As for the widebodies, 10 A330-300s would replace the existing fleet and allow for some slack. Add another 10 A350-900s and that would give them a long-haul platform for a return to the EU as well as Asia, freeing up the 777-300ERs to replace the 747-400s to North America.

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Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Considering QF cancelled a firm order of B787s this week due to financial reasons I doubt PR is in better shape...

Huh? There's no logical connection between QF and PR.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:30 am

According to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the remaining balance of planes in the potential PR order will go to Boeing. And yes, most of the planes will be new A320s and A321s.

http://business.inquirer.net/79002/pal-seals-airbus-refleeting-deal

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PAL se­lected the Air­bus A320­neo and A321­neo, in par­tic­u­lar, be­cause of its ef­forts to re­duce op­er­at­ing costs, es­pe­cially since fuel ac­counts for as much as 45 per­cent of the flag car­rier’s ex­penses.

The PAL-Air­bus deal was sup­posed to be an­nounced as early as last month dur­ing the bi­en­nial Farn­bor­ough Air­show in the United King­dom, but was de­layed due to last minute ne­go­ti­a­tions, ac­cord­ing to peo­ple fa­mil­iar with the deal.

Ear­lier, PAL pres­i­dent and San Miguel group head Ra­mon S. Ang said the air­line would ac­quire as many as 100 air­craft over the next few years as part of its re­fleet­ing ef­forts.

The bal­ance of the 100-plane ac­qui­si­tion plan is ex­pected to go to Air­bus’ ri­val, Boe­ing, in an­tic­i­pa­tion of the coun­try be­ing re­stored to Cat­e­gory 1 sta­tus by the US Fed­eral Avi­a­tion Ad­min­is­tra­tion.

While I know PR is looking to the 748 as the logical 744 replacement, I'm not so sure what role the 787 will play should it decide to order some.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 35):
Huh? There's no logical connection between QF and PR.

Some will try to establish the link: for example, some forumers in a local forum that I read have commented that the string of QF incidents in the last few years ought to prove that PR is safer than QF, and that the Philippines should not be in Cat II.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):
While I know PR is looking to the 748 as the logical 744 replacement, I'm not so sure what role the 787 will play should it decide to order some.


What need does PR actually have for the 748, with all the 77Ws on order?
A330 on regional medium haul routes and 77W on long haul sounds like a good choice for PR.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:03 am

PAL signed an order with Airbus with a list price of $7B for the following:

34 Airbus A321
10 Airbus A321 neo
10 A330-300

http://www.rappler.com/business/1130...ders-54-airbus-aircraft-worth-$7-b
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting prFLYER (Reply 38):

http://www.rappler.com/business/1130...-$7-b


Also worth to notice from the article:
"The 54 aircraft orders are part of the first phase of a multi-year refleeting and modernization plans, which involve the purchase of up to 100 new planes."
"Our intention is to buy up to 100 aircraft, 26 of that will be long range, wide body,"

IIRC 100 planes was also what was talked about already before Farnborough Show this year.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 39):
"Our intention is to buy up to 100 aircraft, 26 of that will be long range, wide body,"

along with a an order for 10 A330 ties in quite nicely with:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Back in April, a Philippine aviation blog claimed PA was preparing to order 4 747-8s and 12 787-8s.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:45 am

Here too.....

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-major-order-for-airbus-aircraft/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-orders-54-airbus-aircraft-375819/

Quote:
"The order includes 34 Airbus A321s, 10 Airbus A321neos and 10 of the new higher-weight Airbus A330-300s.

The aircraft, purchased as part of PAL's major fleet modernisation plan, are scheduled to be delivered starting in the second half of 2013. The first A321neo is expected to be delivered in 2017. Engine selections for the aircraft have not been announced.

PAL will operate the A321s on domestic and regional routes, enhancing the flag carrier's product, as well as support alliances with its partner airlines, it says in a statement.

The A330 widebodies will, meanwhile, be operated on 'higher demand regional routes' and longer range services to the Middle East and Australia, PAL adds."



Even IF this was a direct order and not through a lessor, is it correct to assume that GE Finance will still be a major factor in engine selection?


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Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:01 am

Quoting garpd (Reply 27):
While I'm not saying it's true, I would not be surprised if such did happen.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
I kind of doubt it works that way. (I sure hope not anyway.)

It looks like garpd may be right here, at least concerning US practices:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):
The bal­ance of the 100-plane ac­qui­si­tion plan is ex­pected to go to Air­bus’ ri­val, Boe­ing, in an­tic­i­pa­tion of the coun­try be­ing re­stored to Cat­e­gory 1 sta­tus by the US Fed­eral Avi­a­tion Ad­min­is­tra­tion.

Although I hold no illusions that the EU behaves better in this respect.
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Philippines : Airbus Order Confirmed

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting prFLYER (Reply 38):
PAL signed an order with Airbus with a list price of $7B for the following:

34 Airbus A321
10 Airbus A321 neo
10 A330-300

http://www.rappler.com/business/1130...-$7-b

Very nice news to get confirmation on.  . Congrats to Airbus and Philippine Airlines are in place.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
Quoting columba (Reply 28):
not so many wide-bodies if any at all.

Considering the age of their A330's, and the earliest possible delivery date for newly ordered A330's, I would not be surprised at all if quite a number of A330's would (also) be ordered. Just my   

Nice to hear my guess was right as well.  .
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:11 am

PR's official press release: http://www.philippineairlines.com/news/pal_buys_aircraft.jsp 

Finally, new planes for the flag carrier.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 37):
What need does PR actually have for the 748, with all the 77Ws on order?

PR's trans-Pacific routes are very high density. Moving to an all-77W service, even if feasible, would still mean fewer seats on routes like MNL-SFO and MNL-LAX should the 744s head towards retirement.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:12 am

And Airbus's:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...s-major-order-for-airbus-aircraft/

Quote:
Philippine Airlines (PAL) has placed a firm order with Airbus covering 34 A321ceo, 10 A321neo and 10 A330-300s. The aircraft are being purchased under a major fleet modernisation programme at the airline, with deliveries starting in 2013.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:52 am

Congrats PAL! We look forward to seeing your glorious return to Europe to show off those shiny new airplanes. If you would just order the B748i as the B744 replacement then it would really be the icing on the cake.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Quoting na (Reply 47):
If Airbus widebodies are part of the order,

Have you read the press releases?
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 48):
ave you read the press releases?

Sorry, only the first one not covering the types. I´ll suggest deleting my first post.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 35):
Huh? There's no logical connection between QF and PR.

No there is no logical connection however I was trying to point out is PR in a better financial position than QF...

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