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DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:48 am

N179DN performing flight DL 28 suffered substantial damage after a hard landing in CDG airport. Good think is nobody was injured ( except maybe the pilot's pride ). Weather was very good according to METAR.

Aircraft currently under inspection, the French authorities are investigating.


http://avherald.com/h?article=454ca645&opt=0

Would be nice if someone in Paris can help with a Pic or a more detailed report...

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:58 am

It seems that 767s do NOT like hard landings. They seem to sustain a lot of fuselage damage if you don't put it down right. How many 767s have now been substantially damaged by hard landings now? First Choice, ANA, LAB(?), and now Delta. Plus more that I don't remember.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
It seems that 767s do NOT like hard landings. They seem to sustain a lot of fuselage damage if you don't put it down right. How many 767s have now been substantially damaged by hard landings now? First Choice, ANA, LAB(?), and now Delta. Plus more that I don't remember.

You can add to your list a RAM 763 damaged in JFK, but at least in that occasion the weather was a factor to explain why the landing was not good, there were heavy rain and a X-wind of 25 knots when the flare was executed, they touched down nose gear first and the aircraft sustained damages in the fuselage. Repairs lasted four months IIRC.

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:40 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
You can add to your list a RAM 763 damaged in JFK, but at least in that occasion the weather was a factor to explain why the landing was not good, there were heavy rain and a X-wind of 25 knots when the flare was executed, they touched down nose gear first and the aircraft sustained damages in the fuselage. Repairs lasted four months IIRC.

Yeah same with the ANA flight, but either way if it's hard it's not gonna go well apparently. I'm interested to see where the damage occurred with the DL flight in comparison to the NH flight.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:59 am

The 767 is a very nice handling aircraft.


Having said that, the geometry of the main landing gear with the front Bogie trailing in the forward position can make for a pretty unforgiving arrival if your sink rate is too high and especially if you have not taken out all the drift.


If anything, it seems to magnify the effects of a less than perfect arrival.


The 757, with a conventional trailing rear bogie is far more forgiving on touchdown (as long as you work on lowering the nosewheel gently)


I notice that Boeing has never used that design since, I doubt they will again and I think it's use on the A380 explains the frequent reports of firm landings on that type.

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
Having said that, the geometry of the main landing gear with the front Bogie trailing in the forward position

I have always been curious as to why Boeing decided to go with this design.. I am also a bit curious as to why the 707, A300 never had a main gear that was trailing in either the forward or the rear.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:57 pm

Apologies for the aviation 101 questions... but what are:

1A)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
the front Bogie trailing

1B)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
a conventional trailing rear bogie

2A)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
if your sink rate

2B)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
the drift
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Weather was very good according to METAR.

VERY strong winds in the region since this morning, with direction 180V270 and 25G40kt ... This could explain
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 6):
1A)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
the front Bogie trailing

1B)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
a conventional trailing rear bogie

Referring to the position of the main gear when down. Have a look at a picture of an A380/767 landing and you'll see that the wheels are angled forwards, as opposed to most something like the A330 which if you look at a picture of one landing you'll see the gear is angled backwards so you get a softer landing. Sink rate is the rate of descent (FPM)
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 8):

Thanks.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 6):
2A)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):if your sink rate

The sink rate is how fast you descend. If the sink rate is too high, there is more gravitational forces pulling down on the aircraft and more pressure build up, which leads to a hard landing.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:47 pm

Maybe it was the same crew I saw recently while waiting for the crew bus at European airport. The DL 767-300 made one of the largest bounces I have ever seen in a commercial airliner, followed by a huge pitch up in recovery that looked like they were going to strike the tail. Light winds and nice day where this event took place.

Reminds me of the old take on the DL slogan in the 80's: "We are learning to fly and it shows" vs "We love to fly and it shows"
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
If anything, it seems to magnify the effects of a less than perfect arrival.

True...I experienced myself one of this landings on a 763 in 2008, the landing was videotaped from behind by a spotter, and it looked perfectly fine on the tape, but it felt very shaky ( sidewards ) on board, and probably more in the aft section where I was seated...

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:19 pm

The 767 is a lot of airplane for a little landing gear. I cannot ever recall a grease job landing in a 767, always hard and firm with overhead bins coming open.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting DLDiamondboy (Reply 13):
The 767 is a lot of airplane for a little landing gear.

This I will agree with you!

Quoting DLDiamondboy (Reply 13):
I cannot ever recall a grease job landing in a 767, always hard and firm with overhead bins coming open.

This I do not however! I have had dozens of flights on a 767 and not once have any of the overhead bins opened up. Have they been hard landings, yes and I con honestly say I have even experienced a few "kind of smooth" landings on the 767. To simply say that every landing on a 767 is hard enough that the overhead bins open up, is a bit of an over-exaggeration to say the least!

Hopefully the a/c in question is not too badly damaged and will return to the air soon!
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 14):
This I will agree with you!

Do you guys think that Boeing should offer some sort of gear replacement, given that the 787 is the intended replacement?
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Do you guys think that Boeing should offer some sort of gear replacement, given that the 787 is the intended replacement?

I don't think a 787 will be repacing that 763 since Delta has zero 787's on order.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):
I don't think a 787 will be repacing that 763 since Delta has zero 787's on order.

They have 18 787-8s on order with Boeing. Originally placed by Northwest on 06-May-2005, they became DL aircraft once NW's Operating Certificate was merged and DL's became the sole OC.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting DLDiamondboy (Reply 13):
The 767 is a lot of airplane for a little landing gear.

What does little landing gear mean? 409-413k is what is under Delta's 767ER fleet. Quite strong for the intended purpose. The AD's to the B767 gear involve the trunnion attach fitting (trunnion attaches the gear to the wing) and the bogie beam pins (the "pin" that attaches the piston to the truck) Most likely not the problem. Landing on the mains and bouncing onto the nose does the most damage.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):
I don't think a 787 will be repacing that 763 since Delta has zero 787's on order.

Delta has 20 787's on order for 2020 delivery.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:08 pm

Does anyone have definate info on the landing or damage? While the 767 is known for firm touchdown on the mains most instances of damage have been the result of rapid derotation onto the nose gear or nose gear first landings. If this was the result of a hard landing on the main gear only it must have have been one screwed up landing!

I'm betting we'll see the usual fuselage wrinkle forward of the wing consistant with hard nosegear touchdwn when photos become avaialable.

[Edited 2012-08-25 12:33:47]
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Do you guys think that Boeing should offer some sort of gear replacement, given that the 787 is the intended replacement?

There's no point in redesigning the landing gear after 30 years in revenue service. Yeah, we've seen a few incidents of hard landings with more than normal damage, but how many totally ordinary landings have there been in that time, millions?

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):

I don't think a 787 will be repacing that 763 since Delta has zero 787's on order.

Actually, they do have 18 of them on order - inherited from Northwest, but they've pushed delivery back for a very long time (2021?).
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:43 pm

What is the 767 nickname at Delta? The "Dump Truck?" Someone at Delta can confirm that?

I recall several hard landings on 767-300, especially flying on LAN! Whoop Whoop bouncing all around... No hard landings on 767-200 or 767-400 however...
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):
I don't think a 787 will be repacing that 763 since Delta has zero 787's on order.

They have 18 787-8s on order with Boeing. Originally placed by Northwest on 06-May-2005, they became DL aircraft once NW's Operating Certificate was merged and DL's became the sole OC.
Quoting Alnicocunife (Reply 18):
Delta has 20 787's on order for 2020 delivery.

Delta did pick up Northwest's commitment for 787s. However, Delta deferred their delivery until the next decade.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):

How many times are you going to say that and be told they have 18 on order with 50 options?

Quoting mcdu (Reply 11):

If its so easy....feel free to go do it.      

Quoting cargolex (Reply 20):

Actually, they do have 18 of them on order - inherited from Northwest, but they've pushed delivery back for a very long time (2021?).

2020

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 22):
I think Delta will swap out the 787s for more 777s or 737-900s unless Delta really finds a need for them after all the bugs are worked out of them.

so the worlds largest 763 fleet is going to be replaced with 777s and 739s?  
787s have to happen.....Or Delta will stop flying to Europe. (and South America and some Asia)
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
The 757, with a conventional trailing rear bogie is far more forgiving on touchdown (as long as you work on lowering the nosewheel gently)

true dat!

I had too many nice landings in training when just kinda shoved the nose over kinda firm   

but, that was the simulator, good to practice on!

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:01 pm

It looks like DL 29 (the return flight) is on time. Did they have an extra plane or did they fly it back?
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23):
If its so easy....feel free to go do it.

Actually I have. Spent many years flying the 767-300. Never bounced one or had an issue where they couldn't reuse the airplane afterwards.

I did see with my own two eyes a DL 767-300 bounce like a ball just a few weeks ago. I was giving them the benefit that it might be the same pilot. Perhaps I should reconsider that it is all of them at DL.. 

I bet the tower didn't provide them a wind check (tic)
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 22):
I think Delta will swap out the 787s for more 777s or 737-900s unless Delta really finds a need for them after all the bugs are worked out of them


The DL business plan calls for operating an aircraft for as close to 30 years as possible (or practical) to get the maximum utilization out of the asset. DL will take the 787 around 2020 as the first 767-300ER aircraft approach that 30 year mark. There is no need in the DL fleet for additional wide body aircraft at this time.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 14):
his I do not however! I have had dozens of flights on a 767 and not once have any of the overhead bins opened up.

Sorry for the confusion. Did not mean to indicate that every single flight that I have had on a 767 has had the bins come open on landing. I can specifically recall three flights were this happened:

- ATL-PHX
-ATL=SLC
-ATL-LGA

I mainly fly on 757's, MD-88 and now MD-90's as DL has started a lot of MD-90 routes out of ATL. Landing on the three aforementioned aircraft are always smoother than my experience in the 767.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 21):
What is the 767 nickname at Delta? The "Dump Truck?" Someone at Delta can confirm that?

Some of us say it lands like a sack of potatoes being thrown down.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:43 am

Check the OP link for input from actual passengers.

So the latest is that it wasn't a hard landing after all. Sounds like some sort of landing gear damage after touchdown. Oh well, it was fun reading all the speculation about gear geometry and the 763 being hard to land and prone to this and that.

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[Edited 2012-08-25 17:44:54]
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:47 am

Update ( from AVherald too, this wasn't in the first report I linked yesterday , it is a quote from a passenger's statement ) :

"The captain announced they needed to be inspected as part of the standard operating procedures before proceeding to the gate, his instruments revealed no anomaly with the aircraft".

This part caught my attention : "Even after the aircraft had stopped there was mild shaking of the aircraft. After a number of fire trucks had arrived and about 10-15 firemen had swarmed out to inspect the aircraft, the aircraft taxied slowly to the gate, the shaking from side to side intensified during taxi, the trucks were following the aircraft to the gate. It was too dark to see any details/damage out there".

What can be the cause of the shaking side to side during taxi ?? Blown tyres ??

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 16):

Has anybody ever thought that DL might just replace the 763s with new 763s?! Everybody seems to think that any airline with 763s will replace them with 788s! Boeing created it for the airlines that will replace them with 788s. Not so that every airline will replace them with 788s.

Quoting DLDiamondboy (Reply 28):

Were all of those do,estic 763s? Could there be a difference between the domestic and intl ones? Also, the LGA landing was probably a pilot who really wanted to make sure the plane stopped in time on LGA's short runway.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting GreenArc (Reply 30):
Oh well, it was fun reading all the speculation about gear geometry and the 763 being hard to land and prone to this and that.

By the way, for those who likes to see 763 landings and missed the thread with this videos a weeks ago, here is a link with several 763 landing ( the first 5 minutes, only Airbus after that ). You can even see different landing techniques in this video ( different trim at least ), and dfferent results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvbZe87zQ4g


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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:08 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):
Has anybody ever thought that DL might just replace the 763s with new 763s?!

No.  
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:09 am

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 8):
Quoting questions (Reply 6):
1A)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
the front Bogie trailing

1B)

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
a conventional trailing rear bogie

Referring to the position of the main gear when down. Have a look at a picture of an A380/767 landing and you'll see that the wheels are angled forwards, as opposed to most something like the A330 which if you look at a picture of one landing you'll see the gear is angled backwards so you get a softer landing. Sink rate is the rate of descent (FPM)
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Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 8):

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Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):

Has anybody ever thought that DL might just replace the 763s with new 763s?! Everybody seems to think that any airline with 763s will replace them with 788s! Boeing created it for the airlines that will replace them with 788s. Not so that every airline will replace them with 788s.

I'm sure someone has thought it......but logical thought? nope.

and I would be kind of surprised if Boeing is still selling PAX 767s ( i know the tanker should still be going) in 2020 anyways.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:36 am

Delta has written off a bunch of airplanes over the years for hard landings. I remember a 757 in KFLL 20 years ago that sat for months before Boeing Test pilots flew it out. It needed new engine pylons, flap/slat tracks, and a gear replacement before it was flown out. Atleast a hard landing event a year from my records...but I'm in KATL, so I hear Delta news all the time...Who knows if all airlines have the same problem?
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):
Has anybody ever thought that DL might just replace the 763s with new 763s?!

Why replace an aircraft in which its possible replacement(s) is only a few years from delivery?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):
Were all of those do,estic 763s? Could there be a difference between the domestic and intl ones?


There is.. The domestic are not fitted with winglets, however have AVOD, the international birds ( most if not all? ) have winglets, and coming soon new seats, and the "signature" interior.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting ElGrandeB777CA (Reply 38):
I remember a 757 in KFLL 20 years ago that sat for months before Boeing Test pilots flew it out. It needed new engine pylons, flap/slat tracks, and a gear replacement before it was flown out.

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 31):
What can be the cause of the shaking side to side during taxi ?

I can recall two instances that fit this description; both had the same cause - broken scissors links. In both cases, the bolt/rod between the two halves of the link had snapped, so the wheels could be pulled sideways a bit and that caused the shaking.

In both cases, I was a passenger, but had a chance to view the broken parts and watch the repair.

Is that the case here? Who knows, it's just what came to my mind.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting ElGrandeB777CA (Reply 38):
Delta has written off a bunch of airplanes over the years for hard landings. I remember a 757 in KFLL 20 years ago that sat for months before Boeing Test pilots flew it out. It needed new engine pylons, flap/slat tracks, and a gear replacement before it was flown out. Atleast a hard landing event a year from my records...but I'm in KATL, so I hear Delta news all the time...Who knows if all airlines have the same problem?

I'm curious - what are some of the other Delta hard landing write offs? I know about the MD-88 at LGA in the 1990s.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 39):

Thanks for that info, but I meant is there a difference with the landing gear and overall structure of the domestics, seeing as all the flights that were listed that had had overhead bins pop open from hard landings were all domestics.
 
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting ElGrandeB777CA (Reply 38):
Delta has written off a bunch of airplanes over the years for hard landings. I remember a 757 in KFLL 20 years ago that sat for months before Boeing Test pilots flew it out. It needed new engine pylons, flap/slat tracks, and a gear replacement before it was flown out. Atleast a hard landing event a year from my records...but I'm in KATL, so I hear Delta news all the time...Who knows if all airlines have the same problem?

No, they don't.


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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:56 am

Just a quick question: what happens to crews in situations like this? Is it a career limiting event; is the "career damage", if any, linked to the ability to repair the aircraft?

The photos kindly provided by EK413 are a perfect example of the difference between the two MLG types; you can see, on the AC 767, how the front pair of wheels will touch down first, effectively pulling the rear pair down, while on the A330 - somewhat like a ballerina "en pointe" - the rear (trailing?) wheel pair can be held up a lot more easily, and contributes (generally) to a smoother arrival.

You can see this very clearly in the excellent YT video above, from ZRH, the slo-mo showing very well how - even with relatively smooth arrivals, the rear pair of wheels in 763 landings is brought down almost immediately, while even in what seem like fairly firm arrivals, the trailing pair of wheels in A330/340 landings provide extremely effective shock absorbtion, contributing to a smoother feeling landing inside the cabin. Indeed, I recall Airbus saying, in the earlier days of A340 ops, that it didn't want pax saying that the A340 (specifically - don't know why this didn't also apply to 330s) produced hard landings.

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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:50 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 45):
Just a quick question: what happens to crews in situations like this? Is it a career limiting event; is the "career damage", if any, linked to the ability to repair the aircraft?

Doubtful, but I don't really know how it works at DAL.


As long as you don't hurt anyone you can generally bend an Aircraft and just have to through more training to return to the line.


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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting ElGrandeB777CA (Reply 38):
Delta has written off a bunch of airplanes over the years for hard landings. I remember a 757 in KFLL 20 years ago that sat for months before Boeing Test pilots flew it out. It needed new engine pylons, flap/slat tracks, and a gear replacement before it was flown out. Atleast a hard landing event a year from my records...but I'm in KATL, so I hear Delta news all the time...Who knows if all airlines have the same problem?

Care to give specifics on the aircraft that were written off due to hard landings?

I'm having a hard time coming up with any...

That 757 wasn't written off, per your statement. I've flown it. There are typically a couple tail strike events a year... it is a large airline and it happens at all of them. Off the top of my head, I can think of a 737-800 and an A320 (pre merger when it was still NW) that had significant damage on landings. That's about it.

As far as a "hard landing" like this, it is a quite rare event at DL ...and at all carriers.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:53 am

According to a comment on avherald :

N179DN suffered a nose landing gear steering compass axle failure.

The plane is in AFR's hangars since friday, on jacks, and the nose gear shock absorber is going to be changed.
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RE: DL 763 Damaged After Hard Landing In CDG

Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:11 am

I saw on AvHerald that it's going to be ferried back to ATL sometime soon?
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