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Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:17 pm

It was announced Thursday (Aug. 23) Peoria, Ill. might get Mexico and Caribbean flights in the near future.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x10551700...t-discussing-international-flights

I have little doubt that Allegiant Air is the unnamed airline that has approached PIA about this. A facility may be ready in six months and a permanent, 14,000 sq. ft. facility could be built in two years.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:28 pm

F9, G4, SY charters maybe?
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):

Those would be the clear options, out of all of them, my money is on F9.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
F9, G4, SY charters maybe?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Those would be the clear options, out of all of them, my money is on F9.

My money is on G4. They've told YNG of interest in similar service. Also, PIA's airport director told a local TV station (WMBD-TV31) that "it is a 757 commercial airline." Since neither F9 or SY have 757's...

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
My money is on G4

But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:06 pm

I agree, F9 would be my top guess, as they already serve Mexico.

I think Mexico and the Caribbean would be great for G4 and I'm sure they are considering it, but not yet. When they do finally launch those routes, they won't start from Peoria.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:07 pm

Its not G4... Frontier already has a VERY close relationship with Apple Vacations, and Apple is the 'premier' vacation company for Mexico/Caribbean/Hawai'i for the midwest. I don't think Apple would sit back as another airline comes in and siphon off traffic from their Rockford/St. Louis/Chicago flight program.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:28 pm

Peoria would be a good locale to start international vacation charters from, plenty of nearby markets to tap (SPI/BMI/MLI/DEC) as well as the tri-county area of PIA itself. I don't see the other airports building an IFS facility, so PIA could get a leg up on that. I remember back in the late 70's or early 80's there were very occasional charters from PIA to and from LGW on L-1011's (forget the operator, maybe ATA) and they "may" have cleared customs there with a temporary IFS station with IFS agents from ORD or somewhere.

Guess we'll see how this pans out.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:35 pm

It sounds like G4. They are the only American 757 carrier into whose business model this fits.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:29 pm

I posted on another thread the other day to watch for international service from Allegiant as one of their next big announcements.

Allegiant has said for several years that international destinations were in the plan.

In a 2008 investor presentation G4 mentioned Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, Cancun, Nassau, the Dominican Republic, and Hawaii as potential future destinations. They started Hawaii this year so I would not be surprised to be one of the others next.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
My money is on G4. They've told YNG of interest in similar service.

In FWA's recent 2012 master plan, there are plans for an FIS in Phase 2 of the terminal reconfiguration (which should happen 2 to 3 years from now). The master plan says that it would be for international diversions, but I think this has G4's name written all over it.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
Allegiant has said for several years that international destinations were in the plan.

  
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.

True but they do/ used to (are they still working with apple vacations?) operate charters to CUN and are able to fly to the Caribbean
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
F9, G4, SY charters maybe?

Maybe Sun Country? They do well for Apple Vacations at Lansing.

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:14 am

Oh come on guys, the riddle isn't that hard to figure out!  

Here are your clues-

What air carrier already flying into Peoria would have the clout to say "we'd like to try this" and they jump on the opportunity of getting something going in the coming months?

What air carrier already flying into Peoria is adding to the fleet which will open up a slew of new markets in the next couple of years?

What air carrier already flying into Peoria's management has been very active this year in expressing interest in Caribbean/Mexican destinations?

[Edited 2012-08-25 18:26:05]
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 13):

Plus it said it wasa 757 carrier. F9 and SY don't operate 757s. G4 does.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):

See above about 757s
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.

Exactly, I don't think it's G4.

My money is on F9, too.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:48 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Exactly, I don't think it's G4.

Just because G4 isn't flying to Mexico and the Caribbean right now doesn't mean that it's not G4. They have been telling airports to prepare for this kind of service for several years now.

At this point, it's not a matter of if but when.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.
Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
it is a 757 commercial airline."
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
They started Hawaii this year so I would not be surprised to be one of the others next.
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
Plus it said it wasa 757 carrier. F9 and SY don't operate 757s. G4 does

G4 has based all 6 757's at HNL, they are not operating anywhere else in the system. G4 hasn't even started all the cities they have announced from Hawaii already, plus nothing else has been announced to OGG xBLI. So there is no way it could be G4, unless they are already giving up on Hawaii, which I doubt. G4 needs time to digest what it's already bitten off.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
G4 has based all 6 757's at HNL, they are not operating anywhere else in the system. G4 hasn't even started all the cities they have announced from Hawaii already, plus nothing else has been announced to OGG xBLI. So there is no way it could be G4, unless they are already giving up on Hawaii, which I doubt. G4 needs time to digest what it's already bitten off.

That part about 757's may have been a slip of the tongue by PIAs Director of Aviation, or he didn't think the WMBD-TV31 reporter would connect the dots. When they get them, G4 will probably use A-319s for Mexico and Caribbean flights.

While it's entirely possible Apple Vacations is the carrier, G4 looks like a better bet. They've apparently told YNG of similar plans.

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:00 am

G4 (Allegiant) has its hands full trying to make these new Hawaii flights profitable and successful. I would find it bad timing to launch Caribbean and mexico service as well they have enough on their plate. A 757 would be alot of seats i would think a 319/320 would be a better fit for such service anyway
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 18):
When they get them, G4 will probably use A-319s for Mexico and Caribbean flights.


You're 100% correct.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 19):
G4 (Allegiant) has its hands full trying to make these new Hawaii flights profitable and successful. I would find it bad timing to launch Caribbean and mexico service as well they have enough on their plate. A 757 would be alot of seats i would think a 319/320 would be a better fit for such service anyway

keep i mind this is probably a couple years off before they actually start it. I could see CUN being a good spot for a G4 hub. Its accessible from pretty much all of the cities it serves eas of the rockies and is ahuge tourist destination.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:48 pm

If this happens it would be great news for PIA and Central Illinois. There was talk of this when I worked at PIA a few years ago but I think getting the new terminal started, and completed, was priority number 1. Since that is now complete, the airport authority can now focus on this new task.

However, my only question is the cost to build the new facility and how much it will cost (annually) to keep it running. Would the new international service be able to pay for this new customs area? I've heard it's not a cheap operation to run. Plus adding on $6 to $8 million on top the new terminal price of $65 million is a hefty bill to pay.

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 22):
However, my only question is the cost to build the new facility and how much it will cost (annually) to keep it running. Would the new international service be able to pay for this new customs area? I've heard it's not a cheap operation to run. Plus adding on $6 to $8 million on top the new terminal price of $65 million is a hefty bill to pay.

One article mentioned an alternative 5,000 sq. ft. facility. I suspect, though, that usage of the temporary facility (former USPS encoding center) will gauge whether to go ahead with a new building.

As for timing, PIA's director said the temporary structure could be in use within six months, so whoever is proposing international service would not start it until sometime in 1Q 2013 at the earliest.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:21 pm

Would the old USPS building be large enough for customs operations? At only 5,000 square feet that seems rather small, especially if you have a full 757 (200+ pax in G4 standards) worth of passengers. Of course whether you have a 757 or smaller aircraft is another discussion in itself.

But I go back to one of my original questions, hypothetically speaking lets say they are able to use the USPS building, what will be the annual costs with a facility of that size? Then if they do build a bigger facility the costs will just go up. Who's going to pay for that?

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
G4 has based all 6 757's at HNL, they are not operating anywhere else in the system. G4 hasn't even started all the cities they have announced from Hawaii already, plus nothing else has been announced to OGG xBLI. So there is no way it could be G4, unless they are already giving up on Hawaii, which I doubt. G4 needs time to digest what it's already bitten off.
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 19):
G4 (Allegiant) has its hands full trying to make these new Hawaii flights profitable and successful. I would find it bad timing to launch Caribbean and mexico service as well they have enough on their plate. A 757 would be alot of seats i would think a 319/320 would be a better fit for such service anyway

Who said it would be 757s flying at Peoria or any other city to Mexico or the Caribbean? The comment was it was a 757 airline. Allegiant has other aircraft that would likely be used.

It would not be the first time that Allegiant opened multiple new destination cities in a short period:
PIE opened in Nov 2006
AZA opened in Oct 2007
FLL opened in Nov 2007

As mentioned above, Allegiant has told several smaller airports that international service from them is under study. If they are interested they need to start planning the FIS operations. Potential international starts seem to be currently planned in the 2013/2014 period from what I've heard.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:05 pm

I still circle back around that Apple Vacations has its paws all over this thing. Apple has the ability to use anyone out there, so there's a chance they could be sold/marketed by Apple but use Ryan/Omni or even Allegiant.
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:03 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 26):

Is G4 still working with Apple Vacations? I know they used to run charters out of RFD and GRR to name a few places to CUN..
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 24):
Would the old USPS building be large enough for customs operations? At only 5,000 square feet that seems rather small, especially if you have a full 757 (200+ pax in G4 standards) worth of passengers. Of course whether you have a 757 or smaller aircraft is another discussion in itself.

But I go back to one of my original questions, hypothetically speaking lets say they are able to use the USPS building, what will be the annual costs with a facility of that size? Then if they do build a bigger facility the costs will just go up. Who's going to pay for that?

The "5,000 sq. ft. building" and old USPS postal encoding center are not the same. The former is an alternative design to the 14,000 sq. ft. proposal.

I don't know what any of these proposals would cost to operate each year, but I'd say Rockford is the best model for Peoria. RFD's int'l building opened in 2005.This winter, F9 will be operating Saturday-only nonstops to Cancun and Monday-only nonstops to Montego Bay for Apple Vacations. I can't find anything to tell me how much sq. ft. it occupies, but Google aerial photos shows it to be nearly the size of the airport's main terminal.

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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 27):
Is G4 still working with Apple Vacations? I know they used to run charters out of RFD and GRR to name a few places to CUN..

Frontier Airlines is operating Cancun and Montego Bay flights our of RFD these days.
 
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:08 am

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 29):
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 27):
Is G4 still working with Apple Vacations? I know they used to run charters out of RFD and GRR to name a few places to CUN..

Frontier Airlines is operating Cancun and Montego Bay flights our of RFD these days.

I see, When did F9 take over the flying? When I was still working G4 operations they had a weekly flight out of RFD
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RE: Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights

Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 30):
I see, When did F9 take over the flying? When I was still working G4 operations they had a weekly flight out of RFD

Not sure, but this coming season might be the first. I forgot to mention that Sunday-only flights to Punta Cana, Dominican Republic starts this winter as well. Frontier will also be operating these flights for Apple Vacations.

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