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Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:32 am

Looking at this photo,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42...4404764292/sizes/l/in/photostream/

It shows an Independent Air 707-331B at what looks like an Eastern D concourse gate at ATL in the late '80s.

Did EAL have dedicated D gates at that time?

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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:37 am

I thought they were just in C
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
I thought they were just in C

I know that they were in C and half of B, but.....
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:40 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 2):
I know that they were in C and half of B, but.....

Yes you are right---was there not an undergroud tunnell connecting B and C?
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):
was there not an undergroud tunnell connecting B and C?

Yes, but that now is being used for baggage transfer (?)
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:44 am

I thought EA did have gates on D at one time--in fact, when Delta's Sky Club opened on D last year, I remember reading that it was formerly an Eastern Ionosphere Club. Is that correct?
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:49 am

Well, I don't know how much this really helps but in the far right of the photo you can see an EA and part of the Eastern symbol on the jetbridge.

So I don't know if it was just extra branding, but I don't know why EA would have their signs on other gates.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:54 am

When the ATL Mid-field terminal opened, the gate allocation was as follows:
Delta occupied all of Concourse A and half of Concourse B.
Eastern occupied the remaining half of Concourse B and all of Concourse C.
All other airlines (except for international operations) used Concourse D and international ops were at the T gates.

From the photo, my assumption is that Eastern may have had a small operation on the D Concourse (the photo looks like it might be Gate D2 or D4) that could be used for overflow, irregular operations, and/or Charter operations (i.e., lease to Independent Air). As I recall, normal Eastern Air Lines operations were not conducted on the D Concourse.

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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
I thought EA did have gates on D at one time--in fact, when Delta's Sky Club opened on D last year, I remember reading that it was formerly an Eastern Ionosphere Club. Is that correct?

The Sky Club on C is the old Eastern Ionosphere Club. It was supposed to have opened as a Crown Room back in 2000-2001 but they delayed it several years. Delta's Sky Club on D is on the northern end of D by D-27 and was recently built. Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).



Quoting e38 (Reply 7):
From the photo, my assumption is that Eastern may have had a small operation on the D Concourse (the photo looks like it might be Gate D2 or D4) that could be used for overflow, irregular operations, and/or Charter operations (i.e., lease to Independent Air). As I recall, normal Eastern Air Lines operations were not conducted on the D Concourse.

I'm thinking overflow parking as well, as the gates at the end of D-South were capable of handling widebody a/c (That's no more due to the addition of two gates at that end several years ago.) and perhaps Eastern at times did not have enough available widebody gates open on B & C and used the gates on D.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:41 pm

I used to fly through ATL a lot back in the early 80's. IIRC there were 2 jetways at the south end of D that had Eastern signs on them. However, I never seen them used. I assume they leased the gates and sub-leased them to other carriers on an on-demand basis.

In the picture the OP linked, I noticed that AMR services is doing the ground handling for Independent Air. I couldn't tell what planes were labeled on the stop marks of the lead-in line. However, there is an erased lead-in line near the #3 engine of the 707 at a sharp angle. It looks like the planes were parked so they could power out of the gate. Maybe these clues will help.  
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).

Did AA every have an Admiral's Club on D? I remember when AA had gates 5,7,9, 11 and either 6 or 8, before moving to T in late '94 or early '95. But I can't remember if there was an Admiral's Club.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:35 pm

EA had dedicated operations on half of B and all of C. They did not have any dedicated gates on Concourse D.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
EA had dedicated operations on half of B and all of C

When Eastern went broke Delta took over the whole of B concourse.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 10):
Did AA every have an Admiral's Club on D? I remember when AA had gates 5,7,9, 11 and either 6 or 8, before moving to T in late '94 or early '95. But I can't remember if there was an Admiral's Club.

Yes - The United Club is where the Admiral's Club was in the early 90's.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:53 am

A little off topic sorry...

Why were concourses A-D not built in the same length and width? ATL is such a utilitarian, functionally design airport and terminal you would think each of the original concourses would be the same.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 14):
A little off topic sorry...

Why were concourses A-D not built in the same length and width? ATL is such a utilitarian, functionally design airport and terminal you would think each of the original concourses would be the same.

A, B, & C are very similar. D is much narrower than the other three. Eastern, as stated above, shared B with Delta and occupied all of C, but never part of D. Delta's use of the D gates began with ASA, and today, they use it for both Connection and mainline flights.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:32 pm

At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:39 pm

I know that EA did have some gates there, but not sure they were not automated. I was with EA IT (such as IT was back then in the late 80's in ATL ), and do not ever remember going to D for anything. I do know that I came in from GSP one day (after a diversion) in '87 and we parked at D, due to the mess from ATL being closed for a while. However I have no idea what gate they might have been.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
he Sky Club on C is the old Eastern Ionosphere Club. It was supposed to have opened as a Crown Room back in 2000-2001 but they delayed it several years. Delta's Sky Club on D is on the northern end of D by D-27 and was recently built. Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).

I was just at the skyclub in C. It looks brand new!
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:54 pm

EA did not have any dedicated gates on "D". The original Frontier (FL) had D2 and that is where the photo looks to have been taken although that was when the terminal opened in September 1980. The photo is likely afterwards. Eastern Metro Express operated from a small downstairs at C1 and this is also in the photo with their J31s. I worked for EA and never remember any "D" gates. It is interesting though the photo. Also at one time Piedmont had a small club around gate D27. I do not remember the name of it though?
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:53 pm

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.

This was also where United and American were supposed to be had they not left ATL prior to Midfield opening. If I recall from some articles I've read that date back to the when the new facility was being designed and constructed, UA and AA pretty much said they weren't going to contribute much $$$ to help build Concourse D (All of the airlines did contribute money to help build their parts of the complex (Eastern's tunnel between B-North and C-North was paid by them and Delta considered a similar tunnel between A-South and B-South, but by the time they considered it, the concrete had been laid and the costs to dig the tunnel went up significantly.). I think they were among the airlines that were not supportive of the Midfield Complex and had hoped that the second airport project would have gone ahead (Some of the carriers with smaller marketshares at ATL were in support of the original proposal to build a second airport essentially to leave the current facility to Delta and Eastern.).

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
It looks brand new!

That's because Delta pretty much gutted the place when they built it. I've seen what it used to look like up until Delta started to turn it into their club room, and it was definitely stuck in the late 1970s.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 20):
This was also where United and American were supposed to be had they not left ATL prior to Midfield opening. If I recall from some articles I've read that date back to the when the new facility was being designed and constructed, UA and AA pretty much said they weren't going to contribute much $$$ to help build Concourse D (All of the airlines did contribute money to help build their parts of the complex (Eastern's tunnel between B-North and C-North was paid by them and Delta considered a similar tunnel between A-South and B-South, but by the time they considered it, the concrete had been laid and the costs to dig the tunnel went up significantly.). I think they were among the airlines that were not supportive of the Midfield Complex and had hoped that the second airport project would have gone ahead (Some of the carriers with smaller marketshares at ATL were in support of the original proposal to build a second airport essentially to leave the current facility to Delta and Eastern.).

While United once was Atlanta's third largest trunk carrier, after its purchase of Capital, the middle and late 70's saw the discontinuation of most and then all of their service. But as far as American, I was not aware that American served Atlanta before the mid field terminal was opened, unless you are counting the American aircraft used on the Delta-American interchange flights that operated via Dallas & Ft Worth to the West Coast before Delta was awarded authority to the west coast from DAL and ACF/GSW.

Braniff and National brieflyserved Atlanta in the 1970's and may be the airlines the author was thinking of.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.

And throughout the 90s and early 2000s, TWA and Northwest also went out of D.

I recall taking a TWA DC-9 to STL back in 1997 or so out of D27 or D25. They had an ops office below those gates. Not sure how many other gates TWA occupied, but I believe they had ATL as a focus city for some time.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:54 pm

When TW had the mini-hub in ATL after the demise of EA they operated out of the C Concourse where FL is located although I do not think it was all of the concourse. Kiwi (KP) has a few gates on the other side. US Air did not enter ATL until quite sometime later in the 1980s. OZ did operate next to PI at their gates as well as the daily UP flight to NAS.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 22):
Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 22):
And throughout the 90s and early 2000s, TWA and Northwest also went out of D.

I recall taking a TWA DC-9 to STL back in 1997 or so out of D27 or D25. They had an ops office below those gates. Not sure how many other gates TWA occupied, but I believe they had ATL as a focus city for some time.

TWA started serving Atlanta from STL in the late 1950's, and then ended service in 1979, but started again in the 80's.. Ozark started service from PIA and MLI in the mid 70's, service that was then moved to STL. I believe at the time of the OZ/TW merger both airlines served Atlanta. TW also had service to JFK that fed their international flights. After the Eastern shutdown, TW built up Atlanta as a focus city, but that didn't last for more than a year or two, and then along came ValuJet and Kiwi.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:12 pm

Summary of United's history in Atlanta:
UA pulled out in 1979 and returned in 1984

United Airlines Original Service At Atlanta (by CAMPBELL Apr 18 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 23):
US Air did not enter ATL until quite sometime later in the 1980s.

1986. Initially service to PIT followed up a few years later with service to PHL. By the time USAir had bought Piedmont, Piedmont had cut their operations at ATL to just service to CLT.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 21):
But as far as American, I was not aware that American served Atlanta before the mid field terminal was opened, unless you are counting the American aircraft used on the Delta-American interchange flights that operated via Dallas & Ft Worth to the West Coast before Delta was awarded authority to the west coast from DAL and ACF/GSW.

I got my facts mixed up, and you are correct.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:33 pm

Since we're talking ATL gate history, did ValuJet somehow end up with gates on B or did mainline DL metal operate off C in the late '90s? I seem to remember connecting SJU-ATL-CMH in 1997 (I think) and boarding a DL MD-88 with ValuJet gates in the same area.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:36 pm

When I graduated from Basic Training at Ft. Benning in 1990 my flight back home to MFR was on Eastern out of C Terminal (ATL to PDX and then QX to MFR) although I forget which gate. I know it was on the far end of the terminal. When I arrived for check-in at the gate the agent announced that the flight was cancelled due to a mechanical issue and that she would be trying to accomodate everyone on the next day's flight. Being somewhat knowledgable I ran to the nearest pay phone, yes they had pay phones back then, and called Eastern's reservation line and asked what they could do for me. They found 4 seats on the ATL-SEA-PDX flight on a 757 but it was leaving in 30 minutes and from the B Terminal. I told them to put me and three other people that I had met while waiting in line on that flight and we took off on a full run to the new gate.

We arrived at the other far end of B Terminal in just under 15 minutes and were the last 4 people to make the flight before they closed the doors and we took off.

I awoke 7 hours later in PDX. I guess I slept through dinner and the SEA stop and woke up when the FA shook me. I was the last person to walk off the plane. When I got to the counter in the main terminal in PDX there was CSR who didn't believe that I was supposed to be on the ATL-PDX flight and she had to call to verify my story. And to make it worse I missed the QX flight to MFR by 20 minutes. Because my luggage was still in ATL she called a local Marriott and got me a suite as well as a limo to and from the hotel AND she got me $50 in vouchers to use at the local Fred Meyer to buy clothes. She also gave me a choice of morning flights to MFR and I chose a mid-morning one because I didn't want to have to wake up at o-dark-early for a 6AM flight. When I arrived at the Marriott there was a hospitality tray in my room with breads, cheeses, meats, fruits, and veggies with a note from the CSR apologizing for the inconvenience.

The next morning I caught the limo back to PDX and checked in at the QX counter for my flight. The CSR at the gate said that there was a note in the system to make sure I was seated in the front row for my flight to MFR. She said the Eastern Airlines was picking up the difference in cost for the flight.

I never got the chance to fly Eastern again but I know that if they had stayed around I would have flown them every chance I had due to that one experience.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 27):
Since we're talking ATL gate history, did ValuJet somehow end up with gates on B or did mainline DL metal operate off C in the late '90s?

DL grabbed the other half of B as quickly as they could when EA collapsed. Not sure if mainline had migrated out to C by the late 90's.
 
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:45 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
I was just at the skyclub in C. It looks brand new!

I should be! Delta's renovations to turn it into a SkyClub took close to 5 months.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 27):
Since we're talking ATL gate history, did ValuJet somehow end up with gates on B or did mainline DL metal operate off C in the late '90s? I seem to remember connecting SJU-ATL-CMH in 1997 (I think) and boarding a DL MD-88 with ValuJet gates in the same area.
DL never had mainline OPS off of C. In fact, as some ATL engineers told me a couple years back, 2010 was the first time DL mainline parked on C. EV has been camped out of C concourse for forever and a day. I can find photos as late a 2001 with DL MD88 and DC9s on D north with all the gates intact. I think when ASA came into the large RJ boom around that time period, DL released the remainder of D north for DCI OPS. By 2002, most of the ATRs shifted to D along with some of the RJs and Brasilias. The limiters were removed and the jetways swung back to the terminal building out of the way and were eventually removed. DL retained the 2 gates on D south that came to be used for SONG a year later and are now city gates (the DL blue can outline can still be seen on the side of the jetway).

The only tenants on B through the history of the current airport were EA and DL. What you saw may have been over on D however but not C.

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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:20 am

ATL has been the subject of many threads over the years and this

http://www.sunshineskies.net/atlanta.html

site almost always comes up. A GREAT resource for information and pretty cool to take a look at the old North Complex. Best part is comparing the buildings that's now on the north side and you can actually see the footprint of the old terminal in some places and parking lots.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:49 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
DL retained the 2 gates on D south that came to be used for SONG a year later and are now city gates (the DL blue outline can still be seen on the side of the jetway).

Now that I think about it, the gate in question with the Eastern logo in the OP's pic is the same gate i'm talking about. DL somehow got the lease on D2 and D4. Not sure when but Song 757s would depart from those gates.
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RE: Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 27):
Since we're talking ATL gate history, did ValuJet somehow end up with gates on B or did mainline DL metal operate off C in the late '90s? I seem to remember connecting SJU-ATL-CMH in 1997 (I think) and boarding a DL MD-88 with ValuJet gates in the same area.

All ValuJet Flights operated out of the C concourse. I don't think they ever operated out of D, although when they became AirTran and expanded, they got additional gates on D.

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