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Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:45 am

Good morning everyone!

As we were above the 240 mark on the last thread, I thought it was time we moved onto our next thread. So here goes.

The civil war (to the extent that any war with FR can be considered civil) between FR and Aer Lingus continues, with FR predictng success and Aer Lingus advising shareholders to hold firm; honestly, I don't know why FR sees any difference on this occasion. We now have EY officially in the mix, saying that it is interested in either FR's or the government's shareholding.

As if to increase EI's corporate blood pressure even more, there's BA's substantial increase on the DUB-LHR route, which is bound to draw quite a lot of business traffic as well; this will initially be to T1, though perhaps a change to T5 might be possible in the future.

The traffic decline of the past few years seems now to have levelled out; where there are continued declines, these appear to be mainly due to other factors, such as the ending of domestic routes (are there any domestic routes left, apart from DUB-KIR?) and lower capacity on some UK routes. And there's more good news, with EK now saying that it will be adding a second daily flight to DUB within 18 mos, depending on available capacity. The first flight appears to be a major success, which is very gratifying and a much needed confidence boost.

So, let's see what Autumn in Irish aviation brings ...
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:52 am

Bestwestern said about SNN last thread

"It needs state support, and there is nothing wrong with this."

Well perhaps you are right, but it had plenty of it during the good years, with little enough to show for it, not least hidden subsidy during the enforced years of the stopover, when any Dublin bound passenger had to spend time and money making an unnecessary transit stop TATL.

Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):

Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

Wow - from being accused of Shannon bashing to being accused of being a shannon fanboi in two posts.... must be a record.

Quite honestly, the government will never close Shannon. Ever. If it cannot be run on a totally commercial basis, which I don't think it can, it needs state support.

The list of what I think could be done with Shannon on the end of the last thread focused on using that infrastructure to develop the region as an aviation centre of excellence in things that don't need passengers, MRO and Leasing. MRO is a labour intensive industry which brings good jobs, and Leasing is a high value, tax strong industry,

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):
Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

Infrastructure is not for now or tomorrow, it is for fifty years.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
BA's substantial increase on the DUB-LHR route, which is bound to draw quite a lot of business traffic

If BA decide to compete with AF/KL on fares - premium cabin BA fares ex Dublin are sky high in comparison to AF/KL - this could have a secondary effect of damaging the successful CityJet service to CDG.

However, are LH group just going to sit back, and watch feed from Ireland evaporate? Its about time that LH took Dublin seriously and increased their presence in Dublin through increasing frequency and depth of service. The excellent LX service to Dublin needs to increase frequency to make ZRH hub more relevant, and there is room for a SN and OS service too.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
are there any domestic routes left, apart from DUB-KIR

DUB CFN - but I wonder how that route is performing.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
DUB CFN - but I wonder how that route is performing.

Recently increased to twice daily it seems Flybe have the perfectly sized aircraft for the route, I trust Flybe seen strong numbers to justify the extra service.
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Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:38 am

Speaking of SNN . Im wondering if they can ever get back a more substantial mini transit hub like they had back in the days of SU . Even 4-5 flights a day using the pre clearence would be better than nothing. It seems that maybe SNN needs to be let go so it cant have the excuse of DUB holding it back . Then they can re market themselves and try to bring in what they can . Maybe a risky move as it would be boom or bust but they need to be out there everyday trying to get anything they can to keep the airport in operation .

Some photos I found in my archive from the SU days :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/SNNSU2.jpg
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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/SNNSU1.jpg

It will be interesting to see the passenger numbers after this Summer especially on TATL.
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Infrastructure is not for now or tomorrow, it is for fifty years.

Well said bestwestern. I have had this argument with so many people who first accuse the government of not doing enought and then when they do something, it is too big. This by the way does not just apply to Shannon but to T2, the Port Tunnel and so on. By the way, I agree with everything in your last post on the old thread.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):
Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

How are the non-SNN users "particurarly" skint when compared to the SNN users? From what I recall, those of us who are using SNN are paying a small bit towards a certain T2 and new terminal at ORK every time we fly through there just as much as anyone who is flying through DUB is paying to cover losses at SNN? Point is I think we're all pretty skint at the moment and if you look at the emmigration and unemployment figures, they point in quite the opposite direction.

Quite frankly, I would gladly see my taxes (of which I'm no longer paying in Ireland as I have had to emmigrate) go to propping up SNN, ORK, NOC, paying for T2 at DUB or subsidising broadband, railways, busses, you name it even if it never realises one cent in profit. Certainly much better than being thrown down the crapper into Anglo Irish Bank or propping up insurance companies for losses they made in a different country.

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:49:15]

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:51:52]
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Quite honestly, the government will never close Shannon. Ever. If it cannot be run on a totally commercial basis, which I don't think it can, it needs state support.

Quite honestly, the Irish government would be prudent to sell off Shannon, Cork and Dublin airport.

Airports sell for vast amounts of money - EDI had 9 million passengers in 2011 and it was sold in April 2012 for £807 million.

Both Shannon and Cork would clearly go for less than that amount, but Dublin would get substantially more one would assume.

Having the airports owned by the state is an anachronism in this day and age. They should be sold and run as commercial enterprises, solely for profit.

Considering the precarious finances of the state, selling the airports should be on the table as a money earner - why it's not always makes me wonder.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Im wondering if they can ever get back a more substantial mini transit hub like they had back in the days of SU .

I think this would be unlikely due to the fact that aircraft no longer need to make a stop. That said, if Shannon was in private hands, perhaps they could attract business like this.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
However, are LH group just going to sit back, and watch feed from Ireland evaporate? Its about time that LH took Dublin seriously and increased their presence in Dublin through increasing frequency and depth of service. The excellent LX service to Dublin needs to increase frequency to make ZRH hub more relevant, and there is room for a SN and OS service too.

You know, for some reason I had forgotten that Swiss served Dublin.

I don't think LH group would have lost a lot of feed with the loss of BMI. I think Star Alliance airlines that serve Heathrow may have lost feed, but LH group? Not so much. It's not like people were flying DUB-LHR-FRA-somewhere else.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 4):
Recently increased to twice daily it seems Flybe have the perfectly sized aircraft for the route, I trust Flybe seen strong numbers to justify the extra service.

From when I've used it, the morning DUB-CFN leg and the evening CFN-DUB leg are fairly poorly loaded but the opposite direction is often close to full. The ability to day-trip to Dublin (or Donegal for me - seeing as I live beside EIWT but come from Donegal) is a huge advantage so I'd guess the loads/yields are enough one-way to justify carrying pax on the return leg.

BE/Logan seem to be able to extract more traffic from that airport than RE were - Glasgow is now 6 weekly also.

[Edited 2012-08-26 07:24:54]
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:12 pm

Anyone know what happened the AC flight this morning? From the M50 I could see it parked up on the west apron & it still hasn't departed according to the DUB website.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Having the airports owned by the state is an anachronism in this day and age. They should be sold and run as commercial enterprises, solely for profit.

This was looked at by the McCarthy report. Dublin Airport is too heavily in debt right now. The government wouldn't get enough money from it.

The DAA is (supposedly) run as a commercially enterprise already. It does make profits anyhow.

And public ownership is hardly an anachronism. Plenty airports owned by state or local authorities. Our island status just makes us even more cautious about selling off major pieces of infrastructure. We don't need another Eircom.
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 8):

That is very interesting to know.

I am delighted GLA is working out too, a challenging market for Flybe especially in this eco & weather climate! I hope they can improve their loads to stabilise the route to provide more inbound tourists to Donegal. Fair play to FlyBe.

I wonder if the Donegal GAA footy fans booked out the flights in recent days? [off topic, great win for Donegal!]

Has CFN had any other scheduled destinations in the past?
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:23 am

Im sure there have been some informal contact with interested parties though !

Government 'has not had any talks' with Etihad over Aer Lingus stake

Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar has said the Government has not had negotiations with Etihad Airways on the possible sale of the State’s 25 per cent stake in Aer Lingus.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0827/1224323031976.html

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Siptu airport workers set to strike

MINISTER for Transport Leo Varadkar has urged Siptu workers at Dublin Airport not to engage in planned industrial action next month.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0827/1224323032711.html

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Good news for EI/RE and SEN :

Aer Arann operates all of its services and aircraft under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. The operation carried 105,000 passengers in July, up 40pc compared to July, 2011.

In the year to date, Aer Lingus Regional has carried 551,000 passengers, 32pc more than the previous corresponding period.

http://www.independent.ie/business/e...-boost-for-uk-airport-3209637.html

Its great to see SEN performing so well. Lets hope it continues to do so . Certainly a great alternative to the big three.
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting Jambost (Reply 11):
Has CFN had any other scheduled destinations in the past?

Some regular, bookable charters in the past (RTM notably) but I'm not aware of any other scheduled routes.

GLA/PIK always worked due to mass emigration from west Donegal to Scotland, there is a slight chance that MAN or BHX could work on the same basis but its all low-yield traffic.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:28 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Its great to see SEN performing so well. Lets hope it continues to do so . Certainly a great alternative to the big three.

It certainly seems to be and with the current owneship structure at both SEN and RE it really suits both parties to have what so far has been a successful route. I wonder if EIR services at SEN continue to be successful and more importantly, helps develop the brand awareness that EI lacked in their failed LGW attempt, could we see mainline services at SEN? EI very much have a bit of an advantage at SEN considering it is largely free of competition at the moment. I can't see BA or VS being particurarly interested in it. As for U2 and FR, well, we all know that they are capable of ruining airports for everyone else.
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 14):

Easyjet have a 3 aircraft base that's performing well so far. I'm sure they'll defend it staunchly if EI mainline were to come knocking.
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 13):
there is a slight chance that MAN or BHX could work on the same basis but its all low-yield traffic.

I doubt Flybe will be in any hurry to attempt these routes, but I hope an attempt is made to confirm if the routes work.

I fear that NOC , LDY & BFS are just too close to make the likes of MAN and BHX work, but I hope my instincts are wrong! Could such routes succeed using 15-20 seater aircraft or is that just beyond comfort limits to passengers?
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):
Could such routes succeed using 15-20 seater aircraft or is that just beyond comfort limits to passengers?

Something like a Beech 1900 might be acceptable - on the basis that it looks like a "proper" plane still (moreso than the S360s that used to do DUB-CFN!). Interior isn't terrible either.

Problem is - there's only a few airlines that'd be likely to try run a route like that and none of them have suitable craft and you can't buy them new.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):

Are those "flyBe" services not Loganair services, in reality? I'm not entirely sure who the commercial responsibly likes with, but I think it is Logan, how routes flow to/from flyBe (UK) to Longan and vice-versa I don't know, if it even happens at all?

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 14):

It's an interesting point, I think DUB-SEN might happen someday, although AT7s would need to be operating the route multiple times daily for that to happen, IMHO. The obvious candidates would be early morning and late evening, but there would be a lot of competition within the network for aircraft at those times, I would guess.

Interestingly, it has been speculated that the new LHR-MAN route that VS is launching may be operated by EI. Now that would be an interesting turn and lend some credibility to EIs ambition for LHR-EDI flights. Mind you, even as VS services I think these flights have a limited future, unless First seriously drop the ball with their new West coast train franchises - but even this would surely be a temporary advantage. MAN-LHR is no dissimilar to ORK-DUB I suppose, in that improvements in infrastructure and increased air tax and security checks have rendered the flight inconvenient and uncomeditive.
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 18):
Interestingly, it has been speculated that the new LHR-MAN route that VS is launching may be operated by EI.

Well VS would need a franchise operator to run the service for them. However on another note haven't both VS and EI indicated interest in the ex bmi/BA domestic slots out of LHR. Wonder how that deal would work out.

I can't really see EI operating on behalf of VS. Unless EI get a great deal they would not want to reduce their own services by taking an aircraft away from their own network.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 19):
I can't really see EI operating on behalf of VS. Unless EI get a great deal they would not want to reduce their own services by taking an aircraft away from their own network.

The reduction in services from the BFS-BHD move should free up enough capacity I would have thought?
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 17):
Something like a Beech 1900 might be acceptable

If it was not for the Manx2 disaster, I wonder if they would have expanded more into the Irish regional market?

Could EIR be considering reestablishing ORK - BHD? RE dropped the route insisting it was due to aircraft unavailability.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 18):
Are those "flyBe" services not Loganair services, in reality?

I hate to sound like a moron like times before, but your right. It seems that Loganair has adapted to Flybe's franchise, I actually thought Flybe took them over.

When did Loganair withdraw from LDY? Was it shortly before they commenced CFN operations? If so a nice move to escape FR to acquire an untapped [hopefully stable] market for themselves.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):
Easyjet have a 3 aircraft base that's performing well so far. I'm sure they'll defend it staunchly if EI mainline were to come knocking.

True but there is a nice cosy arrangement between EI, RE and the Stobart Group who own SEN so there is plenty of scope for EI to make alot more of SEN if the demand is shown to exist and by all accounts, things have started off very well. EI can of course also offer something that U2 cannot which is connections to long haul services. If EI mainline were to come to SEN they would stand a much better chance of competing with U2 than they had at LGW.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:54 pm

Does anyone have any info on the charter flights operating into DUB this weekend to support the navu vs notre dame match?
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:33 pm

From Boards.ie:

2 x World MD-11's due @ 1000 and 1100 on Friday 31th Aug and departing at 1600 and 1700 on Sunday 01 Sep

Air Atlas 747-400 due Thursday morning @ 0500 and departing later on @ 1700.
Returns on Saturday at 1700 and departs Sunday morning.

Miami Air 737-800 in at 1100 out at 1200 on the Thursday.
again at 0930 and 1100 on the Sunday.

EI are operating a couple of extra flights for the event: EI-7118 IAD-DUB, EI-7122 ORD-DUB,
I have been told that both are in Thursday morning. Not sure of the return journey.

Also....USS fort mchenry is docking this weekend.
 
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 24):
EI are operating a couple of extra flights for the event: EI-7118 IAD-DUB, EI-7122 ORD-DUB,
I have been told that both are in Thursday morning. Not sure of the return journey.

So I assume these are A330's? Perhaps EI is using this as an opportunity to get one of the MAD A330's to DUB for maintenance or a rotation.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:47 am

Just heard on Newstalk.ie that the EU have decided to move to a Phase 2 investigation of the FR takeover bid for EI. So the saga gets extended by another few months.

So rather surprisingly the door has not been shut in the face of FR. I wonder what concessions FR are willing to make towards anti-monopoly requests.

My fear is that FR would be willing to gut EI shorthaul to satisfy these requests, thus leading to an effective monopoly on flights ex-Ireland by FR. Regardless of how many of the "host" of airlines contacted by FR actually start routes, I can't see this offering the same competition/options to FR that EI currently offer. (this works vice-versa, FR offer options against the EI shorthaul route network)

EDIT: found link to announcement-
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

"The Commission's preliminary investigation into the proposed takeover, which takes the form of a public offer, indicated potential competition concerns. Ryanair and Aer Lingus are the main operators out of Dublin airport. On a large number of European routes, mainly out of Ireland, the two airlines are each other's closest competitors and barriers to entry appear to be high. Many of these routes are currently only served by the two airlines. The takeover could therefore lead to the elimination of actual and potential competition on a large number of these routes.

The Commission will now investigate the proposed merger in-depth to determine whether these initial concerns are confirmed or not. The opening of this in-depth inquiry does not prejudge the result of the investigation. The Commission now has 90 working days, until 14 January 2013, to take a decision on whether the proposed transaction would significantly impede effective competition in the European Economic Area (EEA)."

[Edited 2012-08-29 03:58:57]

On a related point:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0828/1224323095760.html
"Ryanair has approached Air France-KLM, easyJet, Etihad Airways, Flybe, International Airlines Group and Virgin Atlantic, asking them to consider providing competition on routes to and from Dublin where the two Irish carriers are the leading or only providers."


[Edited 2012-08-29 04:02:50]
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 26):
My fear is that FR would be willing to gut EI shorthaul to satisfy these requests, thus leading to an effective monopoly on flights ex-Ireland by FR. Regardless of how many of the "host" of airlines contacted by FR actually start routes, I can't see this offering the same competition/options to FR that EI currently offer. (this works vice-versa, FR offer options against the EI shorthaul route network)

Cant see this going ahead and they probably just want to make sure they cant be accused of not making a fair decision. If this was allowed to go ahead then the commission is not fit for purpose and double standards.

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Some interesting comments from TC :

''Clark even joked that if he could get a “runway extension” for Cork Airport, he’d put a flight in there given that he has a house in Lismore. About 40 per cent of the passengers leaving Dublin are hopping off in Dubai. The rest are using the Emirates hub to fly onwards to Australia and New Zealand, and parts of Africa and Asia. “We are opening up Adelaide in a couple of months,” he says. “That will be our fifth point in Australia. We are the biggest [overseas] player, apart from Singapore Airlines, in Australia.”

Ironically, given that we are in the depths of the worst recession in memory, Emirates offers a first-class cabin on its Dublin flights, in addition to business and economy.

Clark said Ireland, Spain and Greece are among its best performers in Europe. Go figure.''

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0822/1224322659157.html
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
''Clark even joked that if he could get a “runway extension” for Cork Airport, he’d put a flight in there given that he has a house in Lismore.

Very amusing!

Could that be a hint that EK are sniffing around to serve a second Irish airport? I imagine EK would like to beat EY to it, although the question is which airport would they go for [ SNN/ORK, BFS]? Or both, EY to serve the north and EK to serve south of the Island? I guess in 3-10 years we will find out if any such plans prevail. Exciting topic no matter how extreme the idea seems.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 28):

I suspect a ORK could certainly work out on the 332 - get the tarmacers out, lads!

I dont think hints like that are dropped for no reason, but i'm sure if it's serious for the short term, they'll have been onto the CAA. I'd imagine it certainly features in their long term plans.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:04 pm

Lufthansa will return to Knock with their Dusseldorf service next summer, already on sale with its Saturday flight. Great news for Knock!

https://twitter.com/Irelandwest/status/240864869451177984

Would love to see a Cork service from Lufthansa.

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Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):


Congratulations to NOC and LH long may it continue!

Personally I hope they are looking at BHD as well as ORK  
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:14 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):
Lufthansa will return to Knock with their Dusseldorf service next summer, already on sale with its Saturday flight. Great news for Knock!

Great news for NOC! Who would have thought NOC would ever attract a carrier like LH? Take note new SAA. Miracles do happen but you have to go out and make them happen. Don't just wait for them to fall into your lap. It has taken NOC over 20 years to get to a stage where they can do this so ye're well behind the possy.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 28):
Could that be a hint that EK are sniffing around to serve a second Irish airport? I imagine EK would like to beat EY to it, although the question is which airport would they go for [ SNN/ORK, BFS]? Or both, EY to serve the north and EK to serve south of the Island? I guess in 3-10 years we will find out if any such plans prevail. Exciting topic no matter how extreme the idea seems.

I would say it is unlikely thay EK are contemplating a second Irish airport but never say never and certainly is an interesting topic. If recally that EY hinted of possible future services to ORK or SNN way back when they first came to DUB but those were different times before we knew what sorry state the country really was headed for. Still, lots of Irish in Australia looking for convenient ways home and there are no shortage of people from the "Whest" out here. I would imagine EK (or EY for that matter) would see BFS and DUB being quite close and would be reluctant to compete with themselves. ORK obviously has the better population catchement but there are difficulties with getting widebodies in and out of that runway and I would imagine that EK/EY would insist on an airbridge (not that there isn't one available but it never seems to be used). SNN on the other hand has not got as good a catchement on its doorstep but it does have the facilities and it does have the advantage in that it is more centrally located and could draw passengers from both Cork and Galway as well as its own immediate catchement. It also in spite it its many pitfalls and problems it has proven that it can sustain long haul services provided they are targeted to the right markets and the right aircraft is available.

[Edited 2012-08-31 03:18:50]
Airports: SNN GWY NOC DUB ORK BOS EWR JFK ORD MCI BOI SEA LHR STN CDG LYS FAO GVA HKG MEL ADL HBA
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:48 pm

I noticed UA are operating 3 flights this Saturday from DUB, UA 23 to EWR, UA 67 to EWR and UA 123 to IAD. How long have they been operating 3 flights for or is this just a one off on accounts of the match over the weekend?
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 33):
I noticed UA are operating 3 flights this Saturday from DUB, UA 23 to EWR, UA 67 to EWR and UA 123 to IAD. How long have they been operating 3 flights for or is this just a one off on accounts of the match over the weekend?

The extra UA67 is operating through until sept 5th - and is full up every day til then along with the regular UA23!

EI operate an extra JFK on sunday - which, along with their regular JFK's, is also completely sold out.

In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Methinks we should do this every year......  
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 34):
In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Methinks we should do this every year......

I'm with you on that idea......great boost for irish tourism if even 20% of those short term trippers return.
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 35):

Any other sports we could steal and claim as our own or establish a link to, no matter how tenuous?

 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 34):
EI operate an extra JFK on sunday - which, along with their regular JFK's, is also completely sold out.

In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Has SNN or BFS seen a surge in demand? I hope inbound tourists realise two other airports can provide them with an easy alternative to access Dublin.

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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 37):

I dont know, but i'll sure check for you when I get near a GDS!

On another note, anyone know what Air China are doing in town?

One of their A330's is parked up on Pier D northside at the moment?
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:02 pm

A trip report that was recently uploaded gave an excellent account of EK's DUB-DXB service. The entire service offering onboard seemed quite impressive but perhaps the aspect of the service that particularly stood out for me was the exceptional quality of the Economy Class Catering.





(Pictures courtesy of lukeyboy95)

The main meal was described as "a glorious occasion with delicious food, excellent presentation and real, metal cutlery - most impressive"

This catering is provided by none other than EI.

Now lets take a look at the "culinary experience" that one can look forward to on an EI service:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/ClassicLover/Aer%20Lingus%20Business%20Class/P1040546.jpg

(Uploaded by ClassicLover)

"Great Care"? I'm not seeing much of it here to be honest.

There's a marked difference between the two offerings. Almost hard to believe that both meals were prepared in the same flight kitchen.

I think we'd all agree that EI's hard product on long-haul has improved considerably in recent years whilst the soft product has been largely neglected. An enhanced meal service (similar to the meals they provide EK with) would firmly place EI's onboard offering as the best between Ireland and the US. Any thoughts?
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):
I think we'd all agree that EI's hard product on long-haul has improved considerably in recent years whilst the soft product has been largely neglected. An enhanced meal service (similar to the meals they provide EK with) would firmly place EI's onboard offering as the best between Ireland and the US. Any thoughts?

I agree. This is the stuff economy class pax notice and value on long haul.

IFE? Has to have variety
Food? Were we fed well, or did it look and taste cheap.

People accept the seat is not going to win any awards for comfort - its Y class. But those two are the vital ingredients IMHO and will make up for other shortcomings.

EI are perfectly capable of dishing up very good food. The catering in J is regarded as excellent.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 37):
Has SNN or BFS seen a surge in demand? I hope inbound tourists realise two other airports can provide them with an easy alternative to access Dublin.

For tomorrow,

BFSEWR is full in Y but with decent availability in J.

SNNEWR still has a handful of seats in Y, and a handful in J.

SNNJFK on EI is sold out, while DL to JFK has a few seats left in J.

So decent loadings, but not really out of the ordinary for a Sunday in the high season.
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):
The entire service offering onboard seemed quite impressive but perhaps the aspect of the service that particularly stood out for me was the exceptional quality of the Economy Class Catering.

Indeed and hopefully Aer Lingus will start to offer the paid for meal upgrade. Not an ideal situation as EK offers this as standard without any supplement but I think its the only way we will see an upgraded offering in Y on EI.

Personally I dont mind paying an extra EUR20-25 for a decent upgraded meal if I was ever flying Y on TATL rather than standard slop.

AF seem to have a decent ''add on'' offering :

 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 41):

Thanks mate I much appreciate your effort providing such info   , delighted to see healthy loads from both BFS and SNN.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):

From my experience EK destroys the stereotype reputation of economy class airline food.
Congratulations to EK to provide DUB with such a service and to Lukeyboy95 with his excellent photography!

I hope EI can improve to match EK's standards but to be honest I do not see it happening. Prove me wrong EI!

Also links to my EK experience:

EK&I, To Carry Me Home Part 1 (by Jambost Jun 30 2012 in Trip Reports)

EK/I To Carry Me Home Part 2 (by Jambost Jul 4 2012 in Trip Reports)
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
Personally I dont mind paying an extra EUR20-25 for a decent upgraded meal if I was ever flying Y on TATL rather than standard slop.

AF seem to have a decent ''add on'' offering :

The catering in AF Y on long haul is already very good - but in a nation of Gourmands, i'd imagine the new premium meals will be a good revenue source.

EI need to improve presentation a bit and it would work wonders.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 43):
Thanks mate I much appreciate your effort providing such info   , delighted to see healthy loads from both BFS and SNN.

No problem!  
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:39 am

Leo Varadkar on Newstalk breakfast this morning stated that new routes to Canada and Russia are to be announced "shortly".

Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought, and SU to Moscow?
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 45):
Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought

My money would be on this new Air Canada longhaul LCC replacing the mainline operation in 2013.
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 45):
Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought, and SU to Moscow?

Hoprefully. Since they got government approval last November we were supposed to get a thrice weekly A320 service with SU so would be great to see the goods.

As for Canada that would be a nice link too if it was all year round .  
 
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:54 pm

Did anyone hear of some larger than normal queue issues this morning in DUB? Seemingly everything was all jammers at 7am!

I arrived in on UA's EWR-SNN flight early this morning for a family wedding. It was quite full, maybe 1 or 2 seats available in Business First and totally full in Y based on checkin seat-map. The vast majority of passengers were elderly Americans on vacation, very very few Irish accents to be heard. Service was very much mediocre. Things have definitely degraded since the good times of CO. Sad to see after quite a few years of me flying this route and I'm at a point where recent small improvements by EI, in my opinion has pushed them above UA. I'll be flying back to BOS on September 23rd from SNN so Im looking forward to that a bit more!
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RE: Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling

Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting ei2ksea (Reply 48):

Flights were very, very busy this morning. All of ours had above average loads this am.

Holidays now over, and all now back to work - the commuting and business travel resumes!
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