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LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 am

LH cabin crew union starts strike after negotiations with management failed yesterday evening:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...hansa-starten-streik-a-852489.html
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Thread starter):

They do not have started yet, but it can happen every minute. According to the article: On tuesday there will be no strike, an exact date and time when it will start has not been announced yet.

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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:39 am

Maybe the title should be changed to "LH Cabin Staff Strike Looming" or something similar.

My guess is there will be a short strike of cabin crews (1-3 days) after which arbitration will be agreed upon because they can only strike over pay and pay is only part of the problem at hand. But that's just my personal guessing.

Also I still see LH 's management shooting themselves in their feet as what they are planing to do is extreme and the overall state of LH does not merit extreme measures.

For those who can read German, this is what LH wants:
http://www.ufo-online.com/flugbeglei...2+vor&option=com_content&Itemid=53

It's a lot more than the 5% pay increase the FAs are (rightfully I shall say) after. If it wasn't, all this would be settled very quickly as UFO "only" wants 5% and LH offers 3,6%.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:20 pm

Well, the question is, who is shooting himself.

Indeed, a Union can strike only over pay and that issue can be resolved easily, the gap between 3,6% and 5,0% isn't that big.

Unions cannot strike over company policy or strategy and the intention to partly use leased staff is strategy. LH needs to be competetive. In Berlin, it is AB they have to compete with and AFAIK all of AB cabin crew is not employed with AB but with a staff leasing company owned by AB and eventually others.

Next,Germany is a polycentric country with 2 major and one minor hub, plus what can be called focus cities, which are HAM, STR and BER. On top of that are several smaller places. All these cities have direct air services to other European hibs, some also to Middle East or other intercont hubs. I understand that the hub routes will still be served in the future by mainline and feeder (regional) aircraft, whereas the other destinations services, such as between HAM anmd STR will go to germanwings, same for most routes from places like STR HSAM etc.

Personally, i prefer that a national carrier still serves these cities. I would not favor a situation like in the UK where major cities no longer are served by the largest carrier of that country.

LH is, as well, not only a German airline, it is at least a European airline with global character. In order to compete globally, the airline must have a coist base that enables this.

At the end of the day, it is better to have these jobs somehow in the company - better the aviation concern. The alternate would be to cut services like BA has done.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 2):
extreme and the overall state of LH does not merit extreme measures.

it is true that, compared with the 2 "other" legacy airline groups that are left in Europe, LH is the shining star, but that can change from one day to the next. It is the job of the management to prevent that.

That is exactly what they are doing right now. IMHO, LH will get a court injunction and this ,matter will go into arbritation very quickly.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:55 pm

First strike actions with likely delays / cancellations are expected from this Wednesday:

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...-streikt-ab-mittwoch-a-852551.html
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:05 pm

Just on the news - LH will take legal action against the strike.

Also some details from the negotiations LH offered 3,5% increase,

no redundancies - or better, job guarantees and - for the time being, no lease staff.

UFO demanded a general agreement that LH will not employ leased cabin staff, not now and not in the future.

That is illegal, the union cannot demand that and certainly not go on strike over such demands.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:38 pm

Is it mainline only or Cityline too?
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:12 pm

That is Lufthansa only. No City line or other airlines of the LH group.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 7):
No City line or other airlines of the LH group.



From my purely egoistic point of view that's great. My youngest is returning home tomorrow and his first flight is with LH. The flight, however, is operated by CL, so he should be safe
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:24 pm

Your youngest is completely not affected as long as he stays on Cityline.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 9):
Your youngest is completely not affected as long as he stays on Cityline.



He flies CL, AC and QK tomorrow, so he's indeed not affected.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:43 pm

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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 am

I hope this gets resolved before my flights back home next Thursday the 6th!!!
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:57 am

Can we expect that to be a long strike or It will only be a couple of days strike only?
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:21 am

Quoting neo777 (Reply 13):
Can we expect that to be a long strike or It will only be a couple of days strike only?

For all I know, the current state is that the strike will continue "indefinitely" until an agreement with management has been reached.

However, strike actions have not started yet. The cabin crew union now says that first actions will take place on Thursday, August 30th. Individual actions will affect airports for durations of ca. 5-6 hours and will only be announced a few hours in advance:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/ser...reiken-ab-donnerstag-a-852654.html
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...-streikt-ab-mittwoch-a-852551.html

It is generally assumed that the hubs FRA and MUC will likely be affected by the strike actions.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:44 am

To correct you, the union said "FROM" thursday, not "ON" thursday. Let´s see what happens. I could also imagine things to start at some of the smaller bases in Germany, as they would be most affected by Lufthansa´s plans to outsource shorthaul operations. But let´s see!
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:07 am

thank you PlaneInsomniac & airevents for your answers,

Well I am flying to Sao Paulo out of CDG via MUC on sunday let see if I won't have any problems....
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:27 am

Its a shame it has come to this, I hope they get it resolved very soon.

Will UA add any extra seats across the pond in the next 24 hours to assist?
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:31 am

I am flying to PEK via MUC from CDG on September 6th.

I really hope I won't have any problem..
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting neo777 (Reply 16):
Well I am flying to Sao Paulo out of CDG via MUC on sunday let see if I won't have any problems....
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
I am flying to PEK via MUC from CDG on September 6th.

Well, the effects of possible strike actions are really hard to predict. There still is a decent chance that disruptions will be minor and only short term.

However, LH has stated that in the event of major strike actions, they will focus on maintaining their intercontinental flight schedule, possibly at the cost of having to cancel domestic and Intra-European flights:

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...-fuer-die-passagiere-a-852452.html

Thus, if anything, the CDG-MUC sections of these trips (if on LH) are more at risk than the subsequent long-haul flights.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:15 pm

There will be still no strike on Wednesday 29th, so said the UFO.

What will happen the next days is still open. Maybe there is still hope to prevent the strike.

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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 19):
Thus, if anything, the CDG-MUC sections of these trips (if on LH) are more at risk than the subsequent long-haul flights.

I saw that my CDG-MUC is operated by Augsburg Airways. Is there still a risk with them ?
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting nicode (Reply 21):

I saw that my CDG-MUC is operated by Augsburg Airways. Is there still a risk with them ?
Should I go to the airport earlier just in case ?

No, these are only mainline LH flight attendants on strike. LH Regional/Team Lufthansa/etc. are not impacted.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:08 am

It's official now. Strike actions start Friday. The union announced that affected airports may include FRA, MUC and TXL, possibly several at once. They will make announcements 6 hours before strike actions begin at a given airport.

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...a-startet-am-freitag-a-852811.html

EDIT: The union has also reportedly stated that it intends to limit itself to local / short term strike actions for the time being, but is preparing for a possible nationwide strike "to begin in a few weeks' time". So they are definitely preparing for a long-term strike. (Was reported on the radio this morning.)

[Edited 2012-08-30 00:16:05]
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:15 am

It is crazy that a relatively small group of people has the power to legally(?) cause huge damage to society (even to their coworkers: pilots, ground crew etc...) demanding whatever they demand.

If they are not happy with their jobs, they should leave. It's simple.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:45 am

Quoting LOWS (Reply 22):
No, these are only mainline LH flight attendants on strike. LH Regional/Team Lufthansa/etc. are not impacted.

Why not? Are CityLine, Regional et al cabin crews already "contract staff" or are they in a secure job but on a different agreement?
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:49 am

They work for different companies like Cityline, Eurowings, Augsburg Airlines. They have a binding contract and cannot strike.

It's all a but complicated but AFAIK only the mainline crew members are possibly striking and since only a third or so are organised in UFO only these will strike.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:00 am

According to LH, the regionals will definitely no be impacted:

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...a-startet-am-freitag-a-852811.html

"Auch im Streikfall werde eine ganze Reihe von Flügen stattfinden, sagte ein Lufthansa-Sprecher. So würden die Töchter Cityline, Eurowings und Germanwings nicht bestreikt und ein Teil der Lufthansa-Flüge werde auch sicher stattfinden."

Translation: Even in case of a strike a number of flights will be operated, a LH representative said. There will be no strikes at subsidiaries Cityline, Eurowings and Germanwings, and some of the LH flights will also certainly take place.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:59 am

@s5daw

First of all the flight attendants are not a small group. There are between 18.000 and 19.000 of them, so they are the strongest employee group (in size) within Lufthansa. And then I have to strongly oppose your opinion. Conditions for the youngest of the flight attendants are already less than perfect, they make just over 1000 EUR a month working full time (different to what is publicized) and find it hard to make a living. How can things possibly get worse? And then, what a short-sighted attitude is it to say: "Sorry, you don´t like your job, then leave!". Does this justify the tendency of people not being able to sustain their life even though working fulltime". This tendency, in my opinion is very dangerous, and should be strongly opposed. You should think about your attitude towards hard-working people. I hope for you that you are in a well-paid executive job somewhere with a nice bonus every year. Not everybody is.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:18 am

@airevents, when a group of 20k people affects probably close to 100k passengers per day, not to mention all other stakeholders, who will be affected in one way or another, it is minority using their position to extort majority.

Other part of the post probably has no real answer and it's impossible to prove one or the other position scientifically, so we better leave it asside  
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:32 am

@airevents,

Ok, I agreed with you regarding fact of hard to live with 1000 EUR salary. But they have no right solve this problem like that. More over, I think that this people do not think about passangers and have no respect for them.
LH cabin crew union did not done work that they should be done! Thats all! Passenger is a hostage, pilot is a hostage. And the fact that cabin staff is a large group of people serve to us like a example that manage mind of large group people is easer than manage mind of one of them.
Just imagine, staff of atomic power station going start a strike and they just leave their work places. Will you happy about it? I think that no!
So why cabin staff is better than power station staff? Think about it!
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting s5daw (Reply 29):
@airevents, when a group of 20k people affects probably close to 100k passengers per day, not to mention all other stakeholders, who will be affected in one way or another, it is minority using their position to extort majority.

On the other hand, if these 100k passengers are so bothered, maybe they should buy their tickets from another airline that treats their employees in a way that does not result in industrial disputes like this. On the other hand, strikes are pretty much the norm these days on any western airline...
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting airevents (Reply 28):

I am quite stumbled by this announcement. I know a LH mainline F/A personally, and I cannot say that her working conditions are "less than perfect".
Besides - everybody who is working these days is doing so at "less than perfect" conditions. I really don't know where our working society would be if everybody who considers himself working at imperfect conditions would go on strike.. you'd basically have strikes all day throughout the country in every single industry.
To make it clear: Amongst the flight attendants working at various airlines in Germany, those at LH mainline have by far the most attractive contracts. I'm afraid I'd need you to provide proof that starting salary is 1k/month, because I simply do not believe in it. Having studied at the LFT campus in FRA for the past 9 months, where F/As come and go, I didn't see how their way of life looks bottom-line.

I can understand that they are in fear of loosing their job. After all, in such an economic climate that we're in today you can consider yourself lucky if you do not have to worry about your job.
But please, dear LH F/As. Going on strike is not going to solve the problem, much to the opposite. Your employer will be even more fed up with you, wanting to replace you for cheaper staff with less power inscribed in their contracts. Your employer will be mad at you for causing delays, cancellations, angry pax and loosing a costumer base. Your employer will think twice about hiring another one of you, someone who potentially has greater ambitions than the airline can offer while staying reasonably competitive - after all amongst Pilots and Ground Crew, Flight Attendands are a heck of an expensive workforce.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:47 am

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 31):
On the other hand, if these 100k passengers are so bothered, maybe they should buy their tickets from another airline that treats their employees in a way that does not result in industrial disputes like this. On the other hand, strikes are pretty much the norm these days on any western airline...

It is nice solution! But if passengers will going to buy a tickets of non-european airliners I think that european staff will say good bye to their job.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 31):
On the other hand, if these 100k passengers are so bothered, maybe they should buy their tickets from another airline that treats their employees in a way that does not result in industrial disputes like this

Agree 100%. OTOH, I don't know of any such airline. I often have elected to fly LH instead of others because they are/were treating their employees better than others. It's really a mess.

Quoting yaris (Reply 30):
Just imagine, staff of atomic power station going start a strike and they just leave their work places. Will you happy about it? I think that no!

IIRC they have. They made sure a minimum are present in case of emergency or had their superiors need to initiate the shut down process. Therefore putting pressure on their employer to restart negotiating. If conducted safely it is a very valid process.

Strike is one of the very few fundamental rights of the worker and shall not be touched IMO. I can assure you that no strike is a "let's all have fun in the sun" matter, neither is it what anybody really wants.

Some here might want to rethink their somewhat immature attitude. It's an unfortunate situation for everybody but their is more than one party responsible for it.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:56 am

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 31):
On the other hand, if these 100k passengers are so bothered, maybe they should buy their tickets from another airline that treats their employees in a way that does not result in industrial disputes like this. On the other hand, strikes are pretty much the norm these days on any western airline...

Let's get some facts straight. LH is amongst the top 10 most desirable employers in Germany. The company can't be that bad if young people line up trying to work for LH.

The 1K e seems to be take home pay. If a FA wants to make a career in her/his job, the end salary of a senior purser is somewhere at € 7K per month, whis is middle management pay not too many companies in Germany pay. It is more than a junior FO makes, although i dounbt that a senior purser would work in the same aircraft a junior FO flies.

The job still has some "flair", although not as much as used to be in the eraly days, let's say in up to the 80s. But the qualifications needed have dropped as well.

LH is no longer a German airline, it is a European airline competing on the world market. Which simply means that LH has to adapt it's cost structure to be able to compete. Not only with middle east carriers but with the European - changed - situation as well.

I believe that the UFO boss is a smart person who understands a bit about how businesses must be run in ordere to stay in business. He might need some lessons however. It is better to accept leased personel for some parts of the business, a lower entry pay in mainline and maybe some additonal working hours for the same pay will stabilize all jobs in the company. If UFO wants to change strategy of the company they can do that in the supervisory board where they have one seat out of 10 on the workers side. .

Still, my humble opinion is that this will be resolved pretty quickly, possibly going into arbritration.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 35):
Let's get some facts straight. LH is amongst the top 10 most desirable employers in Germany. The company can't be that bad if young people line up trying to work for LH.

Yet there is a huge employee group ready to strike. I consider that as a failure in the management. A good management is able to keep relations with their workforce on a level that no strike is needed.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 35):
Still, my humble opinion is that this will be resolved pretty quickly, possibly going into arbritration.

That looks like a probable scenario.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 36):
Yet there is a huge employee group ready to strike. I consider that as a failure in the management. A good management is able to keep relations with their workforce on a level that no strike is needed.

Are you sure about huge group that is ready to strike? Now we can see that UFO just provokes staff to strike but we have no info about really size of that group.
I agreed with you regarding good management is able to keep relations with staff. But it is not a same that pay as much as staff extort. Feel it?

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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:54 am

There is no sense in criticizing strikers for being selfish or holding anybody hostage. It's how the market works in Germany and elsewhere. Striking has proven an effective supplement to pay and conditions negotiation time and time again. They don't strike, they lose. Simple as that.

If anybody has any serious alternative methods by which the strikers can get what they want, I'm sure the union would be glad to hear them.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 36):

Yet there is a huge employee group ready to strike. I consider that as a failure in the management. A good management is able to keep relations with their workforce on a level that no strike is needed.

There is a much more than a 50% chance that this might be a failure of the union management. LH needs, in order to stay on top of the business, get a grip on their costs. LH management would fail if they lose control on their costs. That's the reality.

Each and every company can pay their employees only what the customers are ready to pay. besdies, there are other cost factors such as kerosine which is far less controllable , same goes for taxation (pax tax, emissions tax) .

The carriers management does a good job and they will bring the message to the union brass, I am sure. There is no fat Mr. Lufthansa who pockets the profits. Only one third of the profits goes ito the shareholders, if there is a profit. One third usually is paid as bonus to employees and the remaining third goes into investments. If the company is unable to pay for the growth from its own ressources, this will affect jobs.

the union should consider that. LH management is responsible, the union has been so far over the years and they should stay that way.

It remains to be seen if a union that represents only about a third of the FAs is so effective after all.....
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 39):
There is a much more than a 50% chance that this might be a failure of the union management. LH needs, in order to stay on top of the business, get a grip on their costs. LH management would fail if they lose control on their costs. That's the reality.

Each and every company can pay their employees only what the customers are ready to pay. besdies, there are other cost factors such as kerosine which is far less controllable , same goes for taxation (pax tax, emissions tax) .

Agreed with it on 100%. Really sorry that UFO does not understand it!
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Gents, causing some turmoil is what a strike is all about, otherwise nobody would do it. Be it bus drivers, flight attendants, factory worker, there is always somebody who will be affected in one way or the other. And you can be quite sure that nobody ever goes on strike just because of the fantastic fun of it. There are serious issues behind it mostly and I don´t think that the general right of industrial action should be disputed. It is a human right everybody deserves. Of course I can understand the company viewpoint to be profitable and more than that, but there is not always just one view that is right.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 41):
Of course I can understand the company viewpoint to be profitable and more than that, but there is not always just one view that is right.

well, it is both in the interest of the company and even more in the interest of it's employees that the company (regardless which one) is profitable. Only profitable companies are sustainable on the market.

LH announced some time ago that it intends to enter the Berlin market, taking the options the new airport offers. They have to be competetive over EZY and AB and the other lcc's. They need to go new ways and that included leased staff at lower pay. I am sure that Lh does not want to apply this on all crew stations.

However where it is needed to be competetive, the unions should agree. At the end of the day, a lesser paid job is better than no job.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:43 pm

IMHO people are willing to gain short term benefits regardless of the long term consequnces.
Homo Sapiens is incredibly short-sighted, not to use stronger words.

You can see the same pattern elsewhere. Like, a whole country demnading better today, taking crazy credits etc. And of course now that they can not pay it back, they mostly whine and demand more and more.

There is no difference at the core of this behavior. It is damaging, even self destructing. But again, itbseems such is the nature of modern Humans.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 41):
There are serious issues behind it mostly and I don´t think that the general right of industrial action should be disputed

I agree - we are not talking about the 'wildcat' strikes that plagued, for example the UK economy 30 yrs ago, but strikes to resolve genuine grievances that have been unresolved by management/unions and which have come about following due process permitted by law.

If the unions are acting in a manner that is contrary to German law then I am sure LH will get injunctions to stop the strikes going ahead.
 
s5daw
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:00 pm

Just remember that they cant get over the 1.5% raise gap. I mean common, really?

If you argue the poor FAs earn 1k per month, they are bringing everything to stand still for 15 euros per month. That is just crazy. From the individual's point of view it makes no sense. It is just the union demonstrating their strength for the sake of it, causing nothing but huge damage and loss.

They could just ask passenger for tips, smile, and earn much more.
Or the union can start their own airline if they think they can manage it better.
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:00 pm

Quick update: Union sources state that FRA and MUC will be hit first; TXL is still undecided:

http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/indust...en-im-visier-von-ufo/70083422.html
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FlyingAY
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 39):
LH management would fail if they lose control on their costs.

Exactly. And when their staff strikes, LH management have lost control on their costs. When there is an existing contract between the company and the unions it is easy to be on top of your costs, but when your staff strikes for an indefinite period, you definitely are not in control.

[Edited 2012-08-30 07:08:15]
 
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 47):

I whole-heartedly disagree. How can you say that "if the workers are on strike that means the company is not in control". Do you know how LH works?

As PanHAM stated earlier, Lufthansa is amongst the Top 10 employers in Germany. The screenings that LH does in order to get the best workforce they can find is immense, on thousands of applicants a couple of tens come through. And those that get through the process consider themselves the "elite", because they are the few percent who supposingly are better than the others. You see this behaviour with rookie pilots, young F/As and also in the management. Arrogance is a common sight at LH, and it's eating up the company from inside terribly. What's even worse is that it often seems that the employees feel that once they belong to LH, they're in paradise: Unfireable, regular payrise, unlimited chances to go up the ladder, social benefits etc. It is those things that make travelling with LH a hell lot more expensive than comparable carriers.

At some point you just have to cut it, the costs are exploding, and F/As are part of that equation. The thankfulness for working for a global player is massively underdeveloped at LH, while the school of thought that the airline is a multi-billion-euro business where one must draw as much money from as one can while still whining over cost-cutting programs is a common, disgusting sight, and believe me, I've seen it the last couple of months every single day.
Modesty would be the way to go, but it seems this virtue is inversely proportional to the paycheck you receive every month.
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RE: LH Cabin Crew On Strike

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 31):
On the other hand, if these 100k passengers are so bothered, maybe they should buy their tickets from another airline that treats their employees in a way that does not result in industrial disputes like this

Like whom? EK? Who treats their employees better than LH?
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