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as of March 31, 2013, the schedule suggests that Thai’s Los Angeles to Bangkok service will be operated by the 747, and first class award space is wide open!




Well it's about time!
This will be the first time since early 2005 that Los Angeles will get First Class on Thai Airways. The non-stop A340-500 didn't have First Class.
Glad to see the 747 return to Los Angeles but as the article states, the launch date could change.
I hope Thai Airways is successful with the 747 on the LAX route.
Anyone know if they will also order the 747-8I?
Would be great if it can do LAX-BKK non-stop profitable if they do go forward with it.









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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:02 am

At 8270mi, that's one long 744 flight.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 1):
At 8270mi, that's one long 744 flight.



It still stops in Seoul, South Korea.
It's not a non-stop.
Would be interesting if the 747-8I would be able to do it.
Last year, Thai Airways had a huge 1:15 scale 747-8I on display at Siam Paragon mall celebrating their 50th anniversary. Seems like the 747-8I is on the table for Thai Airways.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:10 am

The information about the deployment of the B744 on the BKK ICN LAX route is outdated. TG now plans to deploy the new B77W on the route. This aircraft does not feature a First Class cabin.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:14 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
This will be the first time since early 2005 that Los Angeles will get First Class on Thai Airways

But other than the A-345, TG has operated first class service to the USA correct? DC-10's, 742's, 743's, 744's, M11's a lot of that was before LAX became TG's US gateway, after TG left DFW, YYZ then SEA. Their SEA-YYZ leg was always treated like a full International service sector, F & J were often half full or less, so service was always top notch, Y was too.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Glad to see the 747 return to Los Angeles but as the article states, the launch date could change.

This is TG we are talking about everything could change.... the date...the aircraft type ....
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:50 am

And the GDS shows a 77W x135 BKK-ICN-LAX starting 89 Oct.. Interesting indeed.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
The information about the deployment of the B744 on the BKK ICN LAX route is outdated. TG now plans to deploy the new B77W on the route.

Sure about that?
I just did a search at the Thai Airways website for a flight to LAX in March of 2013 and it shows a 747.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
But other than the A-345, TG has operated first class service to the USA correct? DC-10's, 742's, 743's, 744's, M11's

Yes, that is correct. None since 2005 when the A340-500 non-stop started.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
This is TG we are talking about everything could change.... the date...the aircraft type ....

True.  


BTW, anyone know what they're doing with the A340-500? They're just sitting there at BKK.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
BTW, anyone know what they're doing with the A340-500? They're just sitting there at BKK.

Nothing, they are parked awaiting someone to buy them. Although one was being used to shuttle some government officials around Europe earlier in the summer, don't know about now.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:38 am

Thai is moving to a 777-300ER from a -200ER. Why would they fly a gass guzzling 747 all the esy from Bangkok to Los Angeles ?
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:49 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Thai is moving to a 777-300ER from a -200ER. Why would they fly a gass guzzling 747 all the esy from Bangkok to Los Angeles ?

you beat me to it

Thai operates 6 777-300ERs, they have 8 more coming, why use a 747 on that important route, why not a more fuel efficient 777-300ER which if far more comfortable for the passengers anyway?
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
BTW, anyone know what they're doing with the A340-500? They're just sitting there at BKK.

Nothing, they are parked awaiting someone to buy them. Although one was being used to shuttle some government officials around Europe earlier in the summer, don't know about now.

HS-TLA, TLB and TLC are stroed at Don Muang (DMK)
HS-TLD, which did the government trip to europe, is parked at Suvarnabhumi (BKK).
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Why would they fly a gass guzzling 747 all the esy from Bangkok to Los Angeles ?

Don't ask me.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
Thai operates 6 777-300ERs, they have 8 more coming, why use a 747 on that important route, why not a more fuel efficient 777-300ER which if far more comfortable for the passengers anyway?

If they use the newly refurbished 747 (designated as 74N; now only HS-TGY), the passengers in the economy would be offered the exact product as offered in 777-300ERs.  

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:32 am

Maybe the 747 cockpit crew need to visit LA once again after a long absent?

With products on the 74N as shown in link above, I think THAI will do just fine on this ICN-LAX flight.
34 inches seatpitch in Economy class, it's the widest pitch on ICN-LAX route.

But this winter'12 will see the new 777-300ER operating the route before shifting to B747-400, queen of the sky once again.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:29 am

It looks like 77W for the fall, 744 for the spring onward.. My guess is TG wants to send the refurbished 747s (74N) to LAX, but it will only have one available until either November or December. The rest of the 5 747s will only be starting refurbishment in October. At the same time, TG will already have two of its newest 77Ws delivered by the time October rolls around. So this is probably a matter of aircraft availability.

See http://thai.listedcompany.com/misc/P...829-THAI-AnalystBriefing2Q2012.pdf slides 11 and 18
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:52 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Thai is moving to a 777-300ER from a -200ER. Why would they fly a gass guzzling 747 all the esy from Bangkok to Los Angeles ?

Maybe they have more profitable missions for the 777's. LAX is a notorious money-loser for TG so maybe they figure its not worth wasting their newest product on.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting nethkt (Reply 14):
With products on the 74N as shown in link above, I think THAI will do just fine on this ICN-LAX flight.
34 inches seatpitch in Economy class, it's the widest pitch on ICN-LAX route.

No. It is not the widest but at least on-par with KE and OZ.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:59 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
Thai operates 6 777-300ERs, they have 8 more coming,

TG operates 5 leased 777-300/ER from Jet Airways, one leased from BOC Aviation with another 5 on order and 8 more on direct order from Boeing. The 5 leased from Jet Airways all have First class while the other one does not and the rest on order will not have First either.

So TG will have at least 14 777-300/ER in service in a few years not counting the ones leased from Jet Airways. I'm not sure how long they are keeping those.

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:13 am

Quoting RoyalOrchid773 (Reply 13):
If they use the newly refurbished 747 (designated as 74N; now only HS-TGY)


I recently flew on that one from Phuket back to Bangkok. Very very nice interior. Very comfortable and I'd be happy to fly that to & from LAX.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:35 am

So there is no advantage whatsoever flying the 74N to LAX vs the 77W? No additional passengers or no additional cargo space available? The route is one-stop, so I am assuming that both legs of the flight from BKK to LAX will be able to operate at full capacity using either aircraft, correct? I do recognize the ASM's are different and the 744 is not as fuel efficient as the 744, but there must be some advantage of using the 744 over the 77W, at at least TG thinks so.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:19 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
So there is no advantage whatsoever flying the 74N to LAX vs the 77W? No additional passengers or no additional cargo space available?

Well, most of Thai's 747s have F, while only the ex Jet 77Ws have F.

I have not flown Thais *newest* F in their 747s, but the F in the 77Ws is better than their now old F.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
Maybe they have more profitable missions for the 777's. LAX is a notorious money-loser for TG so maybe they figure its not worth wasting their newest product on.

Why fly all the way to California then ? Thai may be better served NOT flying the Pacific. Thai should follow the new mantra in airline management, fly only to those cities reached nonstop, but not with an A340-500.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Why would they fly a gass guzzling 747 all the esy from Bangkok to Los Angeles ?
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
Why fly all the way to California then ? Thai may be better served NOT flying the Pacific.

Why are you so against Thai Airways flying to Los Angeles?
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Why are you so against Thai Airways flying to Los Angeles?

I don't think that he is. He is just reinforcing the point that ULH is very expensive and not profitable with oil prices where they are. LAX is and has not been a very profitable station for TG.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:03 pm

Ok, since first class is being added back, we can call this an upgrade.  
Otherwise, its just an up-gauge!   

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The non-stop A340-500 didn't have First Class.

That confuses me. ULH is all about premium revenue...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Would be interesting if the 747-8I would be able to do it.

Not yet. After a airframe aerodynamics and engine PIP and the planned weight reduction... Sure!   

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 24):
LAX is and has not been a very profitable station for TG.

When was the last time TG made a profit to LAX? I know many individuals who love to fly them (Thailand is my best friend's and his wife's favorite destination), but that doesn't mean a profit. I hope TG is able to make it a money maker. But if not, it is time to consider letting a partner fly the passengers across the pacific. (OZ?)

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 24):
He is just reinforcing the point that ULH is very expensive

This is not an UHL.
The flight stops in Seoul, South Korea.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 24):
LAX is and has not been a very profitable station for TG.

Was LAX a profitable pre-2005 before they went to the non-stop with the A340-500?
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 25):
That confuses me. ULH is all about premium revenue...


Exactly!
Although, their A340-500 had premium economy.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 25):
time to consider letting a partner fly the passengers across the pacific. (OZ?)


How about Singapore Airlines?
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:26 pm

I dont think TG ever made money in the Americas. The routes have been for prestige.

Some folks have posted stories here of how TG management sent over to the US has been simply crony appointments with minimal aviation or sales experience.

Unfortunately instead of trying to develop quality focused brand and niche for itself, TG has fallen in the trap of often being the lowest cost carrier and selling heavily via ethnic consolidators. The Seoul stop, like Osaka in the past were simply a means to pack in low revenue folks across the Pacific.

Regarding 744 vs 77W, if TG was truly worried about economics, it would ditch yesterdays costly 744 and utilize the 777 instead. No need to bleed even more money than needed.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Why are you so against Thai Airways flying to Los Angeles?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
I dont think TG ever made money in the Americas. The routes have been for prestige.

I do NOT have anything "against" Thai flying to LAX or JFK or say Miami for that matter but does Thai make $$$ flying to the USA ? TG seems to loose buckets to LAX and is selling low ball fares. IF it wants to fly and loose $$$ whom am I to say they can"t. I just thought TG was a profit making enterprise.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:52 pm

Well, maybe TG just fly there to have LAX on the route map....like UA or DL is making money out of BKK-NRT tags!?
Hey, I'm no UA/DL basher here.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 17):
No. It is not the widest but at least on-par with KE and OZ.

Still, it's the widest, at at least 34".
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 30):
Well, maybe TG just fly there to have LAX on the route map....like UA or DL is making money out of BKK-NRT tags!?
Hey, I'm no UA/DL basher here.

With the ability to feed Bangkok from all over the USA at NRT they probably do make money. Its not as if Bangkok is a "must fly to" Asian city. Its not a major financial center or the capitol of a major economic power relative to other Asian countries.

Since Thai has such poor coverage of North America these two airlines are the only link from/to American cities.
 
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Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:04 am

By coincidence today read and interview with TG CEO Piyasavasti Amrandand.

He made specific mention of the LAX A340-500 operations:
"Unfortunately, we are losing money with aircraft that are very fuel inefficient. From the second quarter of 2012 we grounded those and wish to see improvement"

Also to why they opted for ICN stop enroute to LA:
"Geographic position is good while tourism between Thailand and Korea is growing steadily and most of our profitable growth will come from markets like Korea and Japan

And lastly about the culture and lack of efficiency at TG:
"TG has a peculiar culture - it's not Thai, it's not international. We have a long history of enourmous government involvement too. So managing this is complicated."

"For example - when the government has a holiday, TG employees have a holiday. When the private sector has a holiday, TG employees have a holiday too. Combined that's a lot of holidays! Each day of holiday cost $1.4mil (THB 43mil) in overtime pay. That is very significant when we are speaking about 24-28 days of entitlement.



Sounds like a bit of a mess   

Oh on 747s -- he said plans was for 747 to decline to 6 frames as A380/77W arrive.
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Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):
Its not as if Bangkok is a "must fly to" Asian city.

Oh yes it is!   

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):
Its not a major financial center or the capitol of a major economic power relative to other Asian countries.

That may have been the case 30 years ago but that is changing.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 32):
"For example - when the government has a holiday, TG employees have a holiday. When the private sector has a holiday, TG employees have a holiday too. Combined that's a lot of holidays! Each day of holiday cost $1.4mil (THB 43mil) in overtime pay. That is very significant when we are speaking about 24-28 days of entitlement.

The people I know that work there are happy.  
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:28 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 32):
By coincidence today read an interview with TG CEO Piyasavasti Amrandand.

Do you have a source for the interview?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
How about Singapore Airlines?

I'm sure Emirates would help out too!  
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):
Its not as if Bangkok is a "must fly to" Asian city. Its not a major financial center or the capitol of a major economic power relative to other Asian countries.

Yes, and no. It's certainly the capital of that part of ASEAN, but that would be from a holiday perspective, so lower yielding. It would be a regional financial centre, but not a global one, like Singapore and Hong Kong. It would be a financial centre for Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia activity (though Cambodia is getting more direct investment nowadays). However, that said, it is a huge base for manufacturing off-shored from other locations, particularly Japan.

My company has one of its largest Asia offices in Bangkok of all places, but that is all around software development.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:32 am

So does this that TG will have the best hard product on the ICN-LAX route?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:47 am

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 35):
Yes, and no. It's certainly the capital of that part of ASEAN, but that would be from a holiday perspective, so lower yielding. It would be a regional financial centre, but not a global one, like Singapore and Hong Kong. It would be a financial centre for Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia activity (though Cambodia is getting more direct investment nowadays). However, that said, it is a huge base for manufacturing off-shored from other locations, particularly Japan.

My company has one of its largest Asia offices in Bangkok of all places, but that is all around software development.

You are correct and the manufacturing industry is booming. Many new industrial estates and automobile manufacturing and their suppliers are growing by leaps and bounds. Other sectors are growing such as your industry and the Bangkok skyline continues to expand. Bangkok is no longer just a tourist destination. It's a city of over 13 million people and still growing.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 36):
So does this that TG will have the best hard product on the ICN-LAX route?

Thai Airways 747-400 First Class service compared to United, Delta, Asiana and Korean Air?
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:04 am

I think everyone's basically right. Bangkok is a significant and growing financial and corporate center at a regional level. It's also a "must-fly-to" Asian city for leisure travelers heading to the region. Bangkok gets a lot of corporate and premium traffic regionally.

BUT much of this isn't relevant to this particular route (LAX-BKK). As az747300 said, Bangkok is not a global financial or corporate hub (yet?), so the premium traffic is still primarily regional (intra-Asia), and will not help long haul routes much, particularly routes from the US. That would leave leisure traffic providing nearly all of the demand for any nonstop LAX-BKK flying, and that demand does seem price sensitive. The ICN stopover is a great way to not only add seats (higher capacity aircraft) but also tap into a market with decent and growing premium traffic (ICN-BKK).

Either way though, TG is up against some pretty intense competition that it didn't have to deal with on its nonstop flight. The effects of that competition probably temper any increase in profit it may find by operating the route one-stop.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 36):
So does this that TG will have the best hard product on the ICN-LAX route?

Do you mean, the best hard product among TG's aircraft? If so, then yes, depending on the class. While the route is operated by the 77W, they will have TG's best business class and economy class products (those that will be available on the A380). When the switch to the 744 happens (if it does), then the first class will be fairly close to its best first class product (minor differences with the A380 I suppose), but the business class will be a somewhat older generation of business class, available now on TG's 773s, 777-200ERs, and the newest A330s.
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:13 am

Sorry guys for not being specific, but I mean in comparison to the other airlines plying the route KE/OZ/UA/DL? I mean in a world where I could afford splashing out for the best F or J class product...who would come out on top?
 
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 39):
Sorry guys for not being specific, but I mean in comparison to the other airlines plying the route KE/OZ/UA/DL? I mean in a world where I could afford splashing out for the best F or J class product...who would come out on top?

Of the ones listed, I have flown Thai and United in First class, business and coach and I prefer Thai although United offers a decent hard product. Thai offers an excellent hard product and soft product.
From what I've heard from others, Delta sound pretty lousy and from my experience with them, I tend to believe what others have said about their experience on Delta on this route.
Personally, I don't care all that much about hard product. I don't need the latest gadgets, I prefer a soft seat and good booze which Thai offers.

I haven't flown with Asiana or Korean Air so I can't comment.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:00 pm

Was in the printed IATA member magazine.
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 32):
By coincidence today read an interview with TG CEO Piyasavasti Amrandand.

Do you have a source for the interview?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Was in the printed IATA member magazine.

Thanks. Found it in the April 2012 issue. Link here for anyone interested.
http://www.iata.org/pressroom/airlin...2012/Pages/ceo-interview-thai.aspx
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Of the ones listed, I have flown Thai and United in First class, business and coach and I prefer Thai although United offers a decent hard product.

I have flown AA, OZ, TG, BD International business class, and TG was by far the best experience. The Thai ladies that served us, were like ghosts, they came and went so swiftly and silently, TG is my business class benchmark. TG in J even beats UA, NW, HA, for International first (I guess HA International is really sold as J class). TG is right up there with SQ IMHO. I hope TG can make this route work better than the non-stops on the A-345. I think the TG 747 looks very sexy with those beautiful markings all over her.
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:09 pm

Bangkok is growing as a global business center. They aren't 'there yet' at the level of Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing, or Shanghai... But they are growing. India has given Thailand a huge gift in being difficult in certain industries. Industries that instead went to Thailand (among others).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
You are correct and the manufacturing industry is booming. Many new industrial estates and automobile manufacturing and their suppliers are growing by leaps and bounds.

Why did India not play nice with the Japanese and Korean auto parts companies? Now that they are established in Thailand, further growth will happen there. I suspect part of the reason was Air service agreements (good luck expanding in India, Thailand has granted pretty extensive rights).

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
I dont think TG ever made money in the Americas. The routes have been for prestige.

That always confuses me. While some routes help sell the brand, until TG is making money, they should take advantage of their alliances and consolidate to the profitable routes.

It saddens me to type that. Mostly as I know quite a few people who love flying TG to BKK. But unless there is a non-stop... consider partnering. Perhaps the 787 will one day have the range and they can relaunch the non-stop.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 29):
TG seems to loose buckets to LAX and is selling low ball fares. IF it wants to fly and loose $$$ whom am I to say they can"t. I just thought TG was a profit making enterprise.

Again, if that is the case, have a partner fly. Since TG is already flying BKK-ICN-LAX, OZ seems the logical partner. SQ is a bit too pricey for TG's customer base.
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Quoting lawair (Reply 38):
BUT much of this isn't relevant to this particular route (LAX-BKK). As az747300 said, Bangkok is not a global financial or corporate hub (yet?),

How much traffic is flying out of Bangkok's older airport? I've lost track post the flood as to how much restarted. To be a global hub requires concentration of service. Even Tokyo is hurt by having split hubs! (If they wanted to compete with ICN, PEK, PVG, or HKG for 'global hub' status).

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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 39):
but I mean in comparison to the other airlines plying the route KE/OZ/UA/DL?

The only carriers that fly ICN-LAX nonstop are KE, OZ, and TG. UA does ICN-SFO, and DL has ICN-DTW.
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 25):
That confuses me. ULH is all about premium revenue...

Yes but ULH is also about operating the flight whilst attempting to make a profit. While F might be in demand, TG didn't install F in their A345 for the same reason SQ didn't - weight. If the aircraft had to go out weight restricted that would be a major problem. As it was I think the flight was already near the limits of the aircraft, especially Westbound, no?
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 43):
I have flown AA, OZ, TG, BD International business class, and TG was by far the best experience. The Thai ladies that served us, were like ghosts, they came and went so swiftly and silently, TG is my business class benchmark. TG in J even beats UA, NW, HA, for International first (I guess HA International is really sold as J class). TG is right up there with SQ IMHO.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
Bangkok is growing as a global business center. They aren't 'there yet' at the level of Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing, or Shanghai... But they are growing


  
Correct!
A city with this amount of international traffic should have no problem selling First Class service long-haul on their national carrier which already has a superb reputation for quality service and safety.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
India has given Thailand a huge gift in being difficult in certain industries. Industries that instead went to Thailand (among others).


Infrastructure in Thailand versus India has a lot to do with that.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
Why did India not play nice with the Japanese and Korean auto parts companies?


That deserves another thread all together.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
Perhaps the 787 will one day have the range and they can relaunch the non-stop.


I've read that the 787 will not have the range.
Seems like their A340-500 is the aircraft to do it. Perhaps TG should do what Delta is planning to do and start drilling for their own oil.  
Perhaps a TG - PTT partnership?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
SQ is a bit too pricey for TG's customer base.



Sure about that? Something I've been mentioning a lot recently is the expensive 'reputation' that Thai Airways has even though their prices are competative with LCCs in the region. Many budget travellers flying to Thailand and within Thailand don't even bother to look at fares offered by TG out of fear that it will be expensive.
I fly Thai Airways all the time and the budget travellers don't even bother flying TG.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
How much traffic is flying out of Bangkok's older airport? I've lost track post the flood as to how much restarted.



On October 1, 2012, all LCCs will operate out of Don Muang. At the moment, it's just Nok Air but next month, all LCC such as One2Go / Orient Thai, Air Asia, Dragon, Silk, Tiger and other LCC will operate out of Don Muang.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...c-about-don-mueang-amid-scepticism

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 46):
While F might be in demand, TG didn't install F in their A345 for the same reason SQ didn't - weight.

I thought is was because of space since their A340-600 has First Class.
Wouldn't First Class weigh less since there is fewer people?
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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 46):
TG didn't install F in their A345 for the same reason SQ didn't

But then SQ went full J and some say they haven't been doing good on that either. (there´s a thread about it a couple of weeks ago). I presonally believe most people (I mean non-aircraft enthusiasts) dont want to sit in an airplane for 15+ hours, they'd rather stop for an hour or so mid way (LAX-NRT-SIN A388 Vs. LAX-SIN A345) than going non-stop.

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RE: Thai Airways To Upgrade LAX To 747

Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 48):
I presonally believe most people (I mean non-aircraft enthusiasts) dont want to sit in an airplane for 15+ hours, they'd rather stop for an hour or so mid way (LAX-NRT-SIN A388 Vs. LAX-SIN A345) than going non-stop.

ULH flights are fine when in First Class and Business Class. My guess is that Singapore Airline's problem with their all J-class A345 is the $13,000 price tag. That's more than First Class on their 1-stop.
That leads me to ask, will Boeing develop a ultra long-range version of the 747-8I at some point?
Given that it's extremely fuel efficient, has the space to have 3 classes and carry loads of cargo, perhaps it is thee aircraft to profitably do ULH with great comfort.
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