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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:45 am

This is a continuation thread of part 7 which can be found here: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 7

Please feel free to rejoin the discussion in this part of the series. Enjoy the website!  


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:06 pm

Today should be a big day. We should find out about deliveries to ANA, JAL and Air India (hopefully). LAN is a sdone deal though I'm not as hopeful on JAL being delivered today.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:27 pm

The following are thanks to United787:

17 Frames Confirmed Delivered to Date.

L/N 08 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 09 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 07 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting from previous thread - SCL767:

"There will also be a big ceremony at SCL on 01SEP to welcome CC-BBA to its home."

Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting 757gb (Reply 3):
Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.

The Chilean press is in Seattle to cover LAN's delivery ceremonies and will be on the delivery flight as well. The press will also cover the arrival of CC-BBA at SCL and LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:47 pm

Can anyone confirm the contractual handover of LN 67 and LN 68 too both LAN and ANA? The LAN contractual delivery was to have been done 2 days ago on the 28th while the ANA handover is to be done today? I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
We should find out about deliveries to ANA, JAL and Air India (hopefully). LAN is a sdone deal though I'm not as hopeful on JAL being delivered today.

To anyone who might know: Did the expected JAL delivery (I'm forgetting the tail number) ever have its C1 flight?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.

May I admit to being guilty of it in the last thread, but I hope we can keep the discussion on the "Airline that shall not be named" to a minimum in this thread. Oh, please update with your very informative posts, this is for others to not sidetrack the discussion and instead please have details of that airlines issues discussed in the appropriate thread:
Indian Aviation Thread # 99 (by aeroblogger Aug 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Or... someone may start a thread for the topic.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
17 Frames Confirmed Delivered to Date.

As a fan of the latest technology (I am in Aerospace R&D, its in the blood), it makes me sad to see the difficulties in mass producing these types.

But it pales versus the issues with the B-29 (I just finished the book "Freedom's Forge," quite worth the read.)    I personally think the industry has retired too many of those who know how to get a new type into production or that the new types are too different that the lessons learned in the past are not applying.  

I have faith we'll see high deliveries of 787s. Its just when I might question...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.

I'm betting LAN is going to be *extremely* proactive in ETOPS 330 certification. I know the Trent's have ETOPS 330 cert and discovered recently that I missed the GEnX receiving such cert too. But whatabout the 787 airframe itself? I haven't seen much information on the airframe in a year since Boeing admitted they had to do a software change to meet the rules:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/...on_Delayed_For_Software_Adjustment

A month ago there was quite a bit of news on how the 787 was "Intended" to have ETOPS 330 that is supposed to happen before the UA delivery (for a route that is now cancelled). But I haven't seen anything new on the 787s ETOPS 330 status that is more than speculation. Any information?


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:39 pm

What time is the LAN 787 supposed to leave Everett tomorrow? Congrats to LAN on becoming the 4th operator of the 787. The airline that shall not be named is falling behind, yet again.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 pm

Although not as exciting as the upcoming deliveries, Jon Ostrower's recent WSJ article on the activation of the Surge Line had some interesting nuggets of production info. that I did not see reported elsewhere:

-- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.

-- Workers will move back and forth between the two Everett lines rather than duplicating workers at each position.

-- It was reported elsewhere that the Surge Line will mirror only positions 1-3 of the Main Line. All Surge Line frames will be moved to the Main Line for Position 4 work.

-- Employee sources confirmed the Surge Line to assemble the first -9.

-- Surge Line is production risk mitigator for N. Chs. FAL. No indication as to whether the line will be dismantled once N. Chs. is running at intended capacity.

-- Once production reaches 10 frames/month in Dec 2013 - each of the three lines will produce 3.5 frames/month.

-- If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).

-- N. Chs. is expected to hit 3.5 frames/month by Q2/2013 - ahead of schedule.

[I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]



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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
I'm betting LAN is going to be *extremely* proactive in ETOPS 330 certification.

I'm sure that NZ will as well...

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
What time is the LAN 787 supposed to leave Everett tomorrow?

Around 17:00PDT and should arrive at SCL on Saturday around 09:00CLT. The weather in Santiago on Saturday is expected to be sunny and clear.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Congrats to LAN on becoming the 4th operator of the 787.

Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.   
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).


Having room for additional lines at CHS sounds logical since it both allows for higher production rates in tandem with PAE and should PAE close due to a natural disaster or labor unrest, CHS is able to pick up more of the production load.



Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
[I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]

WSJ is a pay site, but you can bypass it by using Google News.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:38 pm

Matt Cawby just tweeted:

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LAN 787 CC-BBA will move to kilo north on Friday for the delivery
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.

Getting word that CC-BBA is officially in LAN's hands as of Aug. 28th. Ceremonial handover today and fly away tomorrow.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
N. Chs. is expected to hit 3.5 frames/month by Q2/2013 - ahead of schedule.

"Ahead of schedule"? The phrase sounds familiar, but I haven't heard it in so long I'm not sure what it means.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:21 pm

LAN's 1st '87 is moving to Kilo North in about 40 minutes according to Matt Cawby.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:29 pm

There's a Tweet by Ghim Lay Yeo of Flightglobal saying that Boeing will be going to 5/month on the 787 rate starting next month. Trying to confirm.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
-- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.

Hope they find places to put 'em as they roll off the line - pretty crowded out on the apron at PAE these days.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
There's a Tweet by Ghim Lay Yeo of Flightglobal saying that Boeing will be going to 5/month on the 787 rate starting next month. Trying to confirm.

This seems highly plausible.

KarelXWB calculated in the previous thread that N CHS. was already close to 1 frame a month and we know from above that N. CHS production ramp-up is ahead of schedule and that the Surge Line will allow Everett to assemble four a month.

From KarelXWB "Based on the same calculation the roll out rate at Charleston is currently 1 frame every 41 days. I hope they can reach 1 roll out a month by the end of the year."

[quote=WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.



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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:17 pm

Charleston has been handicapped by doing all rework on FAL, Everett has a separate EMC for this, but Charleston has only one rework bird left to do, LN65.

I expect to see them up the rate after that one is done.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).

Was the original target of 12 frames per month supposed to be all from Seattle? If they can only get 7 per month from each location, isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:34 pm

The CEO that left told Charleston that they will make 7 airframes a month, that is however a long term plan.

I think 10 was the original target, before Charleston. That would have calculated with the current surge line I am sure, the old 767 line iirc..
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:00 pm

No the plan was never 12/month from Everett. The original plan was 7/month before all the delays started to push the schedule to the right. Everett can only produce 7/month without the surge line. In 2009 Boeing decided to establish the 2nd line to help get deliveries back on track . That's how the Charleston line came to be. Boeing recognize that the CHS line will take a while to ramp up so they decided to create a surge line that would be tporary and help Boeing get to the 10 rate sooner. Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 19):
isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?

Let just say there's been a LOT of miscalculations in the 787 program....  
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 19):
Was the original target of 12 frames per month supposed to be all from Seattle? If they can only get 7 per month from each location, isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?

No, the original plan was 10/month from Everett on 1 line. Still a big miscalculation.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.

So that means that they will maintain their original production schedule numbers even though they are years behind?
I would had hoped they would maintain the line until they cleared all backlog, hope springs eternal. Years of work paying additional staff, but that's how far out the delivery of frames went.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 23):
the original plan was 10/month from Everett on 1 line

IIRC, this was predicated on the FAL being able to "snap together" the 787 in 3 days. This was done virtually to much hoopla as noted in the article from Dec. 2006 below. My favorite quote: "There should not be any surprises," said Greg Southern, lead manager of the final-assembly process. "We're very confident."

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...echnology/2003465386_boeing07.html

With all that said, producing 7/month on one line is impressive. That's about 1 frame every four days. Not too shabby!
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
Once production reaches 10 frames/month in Dec 2013 - each of the three lines will produce 3.5 frames/month.
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
-- If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
Everett can only produce 7/month without the surge line

The above quotes from the post from Warpspeed are what made me ask the question. But it seems it was 10 per month originally, all from one line in Everett as Dynamics guy posted. I have been suprised by the amount and size of the screw ups in the 787 program, but this one is the biggest IMHO. If one line in Everret is in fact only able to build 3.5 frames per month instead of 10, thats a huge amount of income that boeing will not realise from that one line(6.5 x $150m per month or $1B per month ish). That figure over the life of the program will make the $10-$20B overspend to bring it to market pale into insignificance, and make the troubles Airbus are having getting the A380 up to a production rate that is acceptable seem small fry. I'm actually astounded if this is actually the case, I've got to believe they didn't miss by that much.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
The original plan was 7/month before all the delays started to push the schedule to the right.

I'm 99.9% sure it was double figures per month from Everett as confirmed by Dynamics guy. How are delays in development supposed to affect the ultimate production rate of the plane from the original plan? I can understand the ramp up being slower, but the ultimate production rate should be close, should it not?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
In 2009 Boeing decided to establish the 2nd line to help get deliveries back on track . That's how the Charleston line came to be. Boeing recognize that the CHS line will take a while to ramp up so they decided to create a surge line that would be tporary and help Boeing get to the 10 rate sooner. Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.

Can anyone confirm this? Is this the new plan going forward?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 23):
No, the original plan was 10/month from Everett on 1 line.

See below, that was with a 2nd production line.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
The original plan was 7/month before all the delays started to push the schedule to the right.

7 per month per line. From 2006:

According to a key 787 partner in Italy, Boeing plans to raise the production rate for its hot-selling new jet and may double the rate — which could mean an entire extra production line in Everett.

In an interview Thursday in Washington, D.C., Pier Francesco Guarguaglini, chief executive officer of Italy's Finmeccanica, said Boeing in January asked Italian partner Alenia, a unit of Finmeccanica, to increase its monthly output of fuselages from seven to 10, with a potential rate later of 14.


http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...echnology/2002872867_boeing18.html

Instead, Boeing moved production out of Seattle and the current line is no where near 7 as Boeing has 3 lines to read 5 per month!    There will be improvements, but I never expect this slow of production in 2012...

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.

Getting word that CC-BBA is officially in LAN's hands as of Aug. 28th. Ceremonial handover today and fly away tomorrow.

Awesome!   



Boeing released this video today taken during FIDAE 2012 at SCL:
LAN prepares for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:48 am

RE rates... I love how people take 6 year old guess-timates and want to hold people accountable years later when it is obvious that the process was not what was envisioned. If I was totally bored, I would take a few of the commentor's posts from 6 years ago and compare them to what the post today and accuse them of flip flop or worse. However I won't.

Essentially Boeing is holding the rate down right now to clear the backlog of earlier birds... once that is cleared, there will be more rate increases, secondly, Boeing is continually looking at throughput process improvements. Just because currently people are mumbling 7 does not mean in 2015 they may not be at 10 and maybe 12 a few years later.. look at the 737 rates.. I remember when 1 a day was considered the maximum output for a two line FAL...

Another thing I notice is many people are basing things on a 30 day work month... it's really 20 days.. yes there is overtime but the unions are strict about continuous 7 day weeks and while triple time is great, the production achieved is not always worth the cost.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
the "Airline that shall not be named"

I chortled out loud at that.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
A month ago there was quite a bit of news on how the 787 was "Intended" to have ETOPS 330 that is supposed to happen before the UA delivery (for a route that is now cancelled). But I haven't seen anything new on the 787s ETOPS 330 status that is more than speculation. Any information?

All the 787 ETOPS flight testing was done to 330 minutes, and the engines were certified to 330 minutes...assuming they do the aforementioned fuel quantity system software update, everything should already be in place for ETOPS 330.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:03 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Congrats to LAN on becoming the 4th operator of the 787.

Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 29):
LAN CC-BBA ready for delivery tomorrow:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7...tream

   Congrats indeed! the LAN livery on the 87 is so beautiful!


Soooooo I missed the end of pt. 7 and I'm having issues loading it....did AI's plane land in India yet?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:07 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Soooooo I missed the end of pt. 7 and I'm having issues loading it....did AI's plane land in India yet?

no.  

Still sitting at the delivery building at CHS.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 34):
no.

Still sitting at the delivery building at CHS.

Meanwhile, LAN is officially becoming the 4th airline to operate the 787. Also, it's the 1st airline from the Americas to operate the Dreamliner ! 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 35):
Meanwhile, LAN is officially becoming the 4th airline to operate the 787. Also, it's the 1st airline from the Americas to operate the Dreamliner !

LAN's ceremony yesterday concluded with a late night cocktail party right next to CC-BBA that lasted until 1AMPDT. South American style!  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 32):
assuming they do the aforementioned fuel quantity system software update, everything should already be in place for ETOPS 330

Does that translate to the fuel quantity system being the last hurdle for ETOPS 330? If so, that implies some additional test flights. Although, most of those flights could be on customer planes on ETOPS 180 service....

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Soooooo I missed the end of pt. 7 and I'm having issues loading it....did edited: AI's "the airline that shall not be named" (end edit) plane land in India yet?

As already noted, no. Since we learned in part 7 how far that discussion will hyjack a thread, we'll wait until an actual delivery to discuss. I have no desire to learn how the telephone or agricultural ministry could block a 787 delivery... I want to know how more 787s could be delivered as I speculate that it will take over a hundred deliveries and over 12/month delivery rate to generate new orders. Note: the high delivery rate would only have to be believable, not actually in place as new slots must be created in the 2 to 3 year range to interest new airline orders.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Soooooo I missed the end of pt. 7 and I'm having issues loading it....did AI's plane land in India yet?

Kindly observe the non-official A.net etiquette listed below put in place for this thread.
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May I admit to being guilty of it in the last thread, but I hope we can keep the discussion on the "Airline that shall not be named" to a minimum in this thread.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:17 pm

So whos next in line to get the 787 (new operaters)? QR would be surely next, who gets after that? UA maybe?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 34):

no.

Still sitting at the delivery building at CHS.
Quoting par13del (Reply 38):
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
May I admit to being guilty of it in the last thread, but I hope we can keep the discussion on the "Airline that shall not be named" to a minimum in this thread.

Gotcha! Sorry (that reply was collapsed when I read the thread)

Sounds good.


So who's next then? Anyone have any updates from "All Things 787?"
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
So who's next then? Anyone have any updates from "All Things 787?"

Nothing at the moment, just rate increase updates.

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
Does that translate to the fuel quantity system being the last hurdle for ETOPS 330?

As far as I know, yes.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
If so, that implies some additional test flights.

Only if the change to the fuel quantity system (I'm not sure what the change is) actually requires a flight test to certify...that's fairly unlikely unless the change has something to do with fuel temperature measurement. I can't think of any reason that changed fuel quantity software would drive you to refly any ETOPS flight tests.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:36 am

BGoeing officially delivered 4 787s in August, an improvement from previous months and deliveries outpaced production output for the first time which is good.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:44 am

Thanks again to NYC777 (All Things 787)!!!


19 Delivered to Date

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13

Next Up:

L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/xx/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/xx/2012 - AI #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/12/2012 - NH #14
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - 9/10/2012 - 9/14/2012 - QR #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/xx/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/18/2012 - UA #1
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 9/18/2012 - ET #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/20/2012 - JL #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 9/xx/2012 - AI #3
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/25/2012 - NH #15
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - 9/25/2012 - QR #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 - 9/27/2012 - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - 9/xx/2012? - AI #4 Awaiting first flight

Could we really end up with 13 deliveries in September?

For the AI deliveries, I spaced them out about a week as previously discussed, starting late next week...God doesn't even know what will happen with those...but I had to put them on the list somewhere...

Also, the date order was discussed in the previous thread...since Boeing is a US based company and I am an American, I used the US order MM/DD/YYYY... given that these are in chronological order, it seems easy to read ... to my friends in other countries, my apologies, we Americans like do everything different  

[Edited 2012-08-31 19:45:31]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:51 am

VT-ANJ will not be delivered in September. Early October is the current prediction, which means early December is probably a good time to expect it.  Silly

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:26 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 44):
Could we really end up with 13 deliveries in September?

No, just as we didn't see the 7 or 8 deliveries predicted for August in late July  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:06 am

I think we should see more than 4 in September, 5-6 frames.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 45):

I liked how you pulled that off without mentioning the airline that shall not be named...   
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:40 pm

Maybe this will shed some light on AI

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...03.ece?ref=wl_industry-and-economy

Singh, in reply to a question in Lok Sabha, said there is a shortage of 86 cockpit crew for the new Boeing 787 aircraft.
“There is a requirement of 90 pilots to operate five Boeing 787 Dreamliner but at present only four are available,” he said, adding that “for 18 Boeing 777 aircraft there is a need for 396 pilots but only 297 are available.”
The national carrier, however, has surplus pilot strength for flying its Boeing 747s. Singh said 121 pilots were undergoing training for Boeing 777, 10 for Boeing 747 and 77 for Boeing 787 aircraft.