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Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:32 pm

Quick question... I was looking through an old OAG and I see Iberia flights listed with both "727" and "72S" equipment.

Generally, the 727S refers to a 727-200.

However, I have noticed that some airlines listed their 727-200s as simply 727.

I did a search of photos and do not find any photos of an Iberia 727-100.

Can anyone tell me whether Iberia did, in fact, operate 727-100s or if they were just using the generic 727 to refer to some of their -200 flights?

Thanks.

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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:39 pm

I'm pretty sure they never operated -100s; they first introduced 727s in around 1973 and they were -200s, and every other 727 subsequently for IB.
 
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting skycub (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me whether Iberia did, in fact, operate 727-100s

No.

They never did.

They used, however, two different cabin layouts on their 727-200s, hence the "727" and "72S".

If I remember correctly, "727" was used for those aircraft having a small first class cabin (8-12 seats or so) while "72S" was used for those aircraft which only had standard economy class seating, even though the cabin could be divided into two different classes just as they do today with economy and Business.

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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):
Hope this helps.

Very much so! Thank you!
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):

Spot on Alfonso, you beat me to it!
 
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:46 pm

Hey Steve!!. I didn't know you had info on Iberia's fleet!!

I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less). They had up to 37 aircraft, but 2 of them were tragically lost: EC-CFG on Dec 7th, 1983 in Madrid and EC-DDU on Feb 19th, 1985 during approach to Bilbao.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
they first introduced 727s in around 1973

IB's first B727 was EC-CAI, delivered in April, 1972.

Quoting skycub (Reply 3):
Thank you!

You're welcome!.

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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:05 pm

My 1980 JP Airline Fleets confirms 37 727-256s in the fleet, with five on order (which they obviously didn't pick up), and 35 remaining in 1985.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less)

I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s
 
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
They had up to 37 aircraft
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
My 1980 JP Airline Fleets confirms 37 727-256s in the fleet

Yes. That is correct.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
and 35 remaining in 1985.

After the loss of EC-CFG and EC-DDU. Once again, correct.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet.

Yes.

They even used this as some kind of slogan. "We are the world's largest 727 operator outside the US" or something like that. I remember reading that phrase several times in different places in the past. I'm not sure if IB was 2nd or 3rd.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased.

They lost 1 shortly after. In March 31st, 1986, Mexicana flight 940 (XA-MEM) crashed in Mexico killing everyone on board.
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less).

The number 1 was MX´s. But IB was certainly up there.
 
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:03 pm

Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting iberiadc852 (Reply 9):
Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?

1983
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 10):
Quoting iberiadc852 (Reply 9):Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?
1983

Thank you. I'm searching for old Iberia timetables, but that one I have. Actually I have collected several data.

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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s

Interesting .... by one.

AC had 42 B727s, 39 -200s and 3 -100s.

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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s

Interesting .... by one.

AC had 42 B727s, 39 -200s and 3 -100s.

The 43 for MX was at one specific point in time. In total, over their years of 727 service, a check of one fleet list shows MX operated 67 different 727s (18 -100s and 49 -200s), almost 60% more than AC.
 
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RE: Did Iberia Have 727-100s?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The 43 for MX was at one specific point in time.

Yes, and AC operated 39 at one specific point in time.

Sounds like you are bored.
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