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LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:56 pm

Today, LAN Airlines received its first 787 Dreamliner. LAN Airlines will be the first airline in the Americas to operate the 787 Dreamliner and is the fourth airline in the world to take delivery of the 787 Dreamliner.

Boeing Celebrates Delivery of LAN Airlines' first 787 Dreamliner

LAN says it got the Boeing 787 cabin it wanted
LAN says it got the Boeing 787 cabin it wanted

CC-BBA ready for the delivery ceremony:

@BoeingAirplanes pic.twitter.com/fqm7nXdr


Airlinereporter.com's David Parker Brown will be flying to Santiago on the delivery flight and will be documenting the flight:
Heading to Santiago on LAN Airline’s First Boeing 787 Dreamliner

LAN prepares for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:06 pm

Signed, sealed and delivered



@BoeingAirplanes pic.twitter.com/JO14HKMx

Ribbon Cutting Ceremony



@AirlineReporter pic.twitter.com/94mDZyh9



@BoeingAirplanes pic.twitter.com/89hR1olv


LAN Airlines’ CEO, Ignacio Cueto, expressed his enthusiasm for the 787 Dreamliner. He also highlighted the significance of the first delivery of the 787 Dreamliner for LAN Airlines and the significant benefits that the 787 Dreamliner will have both for the aviation industry in Latin America and the enhanced travel experience of LAN's customers:

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“LAN is proud to be the first airline in the Americas to receive the 787 Dreamliner,” said Ignacio Cueto, CEO LAN Airlines. "This is not only a milestone for LAN, but also for all of our passengers that will experience an enhanced LAN in-flight experience thanks to the cutting edge technology and visionary elements of this new aircraft. The Dreamliner will make it possible for us to cover greater distances in a more environmentally conscious and highly efficient aircraft which will help ensure our sustainable growth“.
LAN Airlines receives first Boeing 787 Dreamliner in the Americas
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:47 pm

It would be awesome if the filmed the arrival like they did when it landed in New Zealand for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YryTXCRWfSQ
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 2):
It would be awesome if the filmed the arrival like they did when it landed in New Zealand for the first time.

Boeing's website will feature the fly-away from KPAE and the arrival in Santiago de Chile:
LAN celebrates its first delivery of the 787 Dreamliner
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:10 pm

Outstanding. That other airline who won't be mentioned here can only look on....and wait.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:13 pm

I was disappointed to read in the piece below that LAN's economy class pitch will be less than it has on the 767s at 31" vs 32" on the 767.

Some other pictures of the cabin, mood lighting, as well as reference to the reduced leg room can be found here?
http://blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior/ordering-catalogue-bad-idea/
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 pm

LAN has announced its initial route plans for the 787s this year and will soon load them in the GDS. LAN 787 flights may start within the next two weeks. LAN may also deploy the 787 on the SCL-LIM-LAX route later this year.

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LAN said it expects to start Los Angeles-Lima 787 flights later this year. LAN CEO Ignacio Cueto said in a statement, “The Dreamliner will make it possible for us to cover greater distances in a more environmentally conscious and highly efficient aircraft.” Other cities expected to be served by LAN 787s over the next year are Santiago, Buenos Aires, Madrid and Frankfurt, the carrier said.
LAN receives first 787; to start Lima-LAX flights

[Edited 2012-08-31 16:25:03]
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 5):
I was disappointed to read in the piece below that LAN's economy class pitch will be less than it has on the 767s at 31" vs 32" on the 767.

That is very disappointing especially when you consider that 787 will be used on long haul flights....
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 5):
I was disappointed to read in the piece below that LAN's economy class pitch will be less than it has on the 767s at 31" vs 32" on the 767.

Then you will be disappointed with UA's 787 economy class pitch as well.

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):

What kind of reply is this? We are not talking about united or any other airline. It is dissapointing tha LAN has gone this path, period
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:58 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 5):
I was disappointed to read in the piece below that LAN's economy class pitch will be less than it has on the 767s at 31" vs 32" on the 767.

......31" is really tight. and i'm assuming this plane will mostly be used for long-haul. why on earth are LAN and several other airlines doing this? I'm in no hurry to fly on a "dreamliner." defeats the whole purpose.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:59 am

From Randy's Journal:

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Here’s a great way to end the week as we head into a long holiday weekend. LAN Airlines celebrated its first 787— becoming the first airline in the Americas to receive the Dreamliner. The first cities that will be served by LAN’s fleet of 787s will be Santiago, Buenos Aires, Lima, Los Angeles, Madrid and Frankfurt.

The windows in the Future of Flight frame LAN’s 787. Gail Hanusa photo.

The ceremonial key.

Cutting the ribbon for the first 787 in the Americas. Gail Hanusa photo.

The gorgeous wing on the LAN 787.

First in the Americas
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:02 am

Congratulations, LAN and Boeing !!!         

Now, I have to say that I'm a little bit disappointed with the new Economy Class seats. I was hoping for an 8-abreast layout, but that just faded away. Also, LAN could have installed foot support at every seat, not to mention they're reducing the seat pitch from 32" (on the 767) to 31" (on the new 787). Overall, I'm not impressed with these new Economy Class seats.   
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 9):
What kind of reply is this? We are not talking about united or any other airline. It is dissapointing tha LAN has gone this path, period

It seems to be a popular and growing trend with other potential 787 operators.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 5):
Quoting WROORD (Reply 7):
Quoting ogre727 (Reply 9):

Are you guys seriously complaining for 1 inch of legroom????? Talk about being critical.

Congrats to LAN on their first 787!! One of the best looking 787s so far!
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14):
Are you guys seriously complaining for 1 inch of legroom????? Talk about being critical.

Well some people tend to be tedious when it comes to economy class seat pitch without factoring the width of the actual seats compared to those on the B-767-316ERs. It's also interesting to note that LAN is considering introducing a Premium Economy Cabin on the 787s...
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:07 am

I like the color of the economy class seats. Not the boring blue or gray that seems to be the trend today, but alternating rows of blue and orange. I commend them for daring to be different.

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting L1011 (Reply 16):
I like the color of the economy class seats. Not the boring blue or gray that seems to be the trend today, but alternating rows of blue and orange. I commend them for daring to be different.

LAN already alternates the coloring of rows with blue and purple seats on its fleet of widebody a/c. However, with this B-787, LAN is introducing its new Economy Class with the new AVOD system and other features. LAN is also introducing the new Premium Business Class with this B-787. Currently, LAN has 4 new B-767-316ERs featuring the new Premium Business Class and the new Economy Class. LAN has 9 more B-767-316ERs on order that will feature the new cabins. LAN's other B-767-316ERs will be retrofitted with the new cabins over the next two years.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:52 am

Quoting reality (Reply 10):
31" is really tight. and i'm assuming this plane will mostly be used for long-haul.

Quite industry standard I would say... Me and my fellow tall Dutchmen have to withstand 31" on KLM already for a long time in long haul. Still we manage to survive and fly this airline. If an airline wants to survive these days, they need to make money...
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:13 am

Short video of LAN's new 787:
¡LAN Boeing 787 Dreamliner!
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:49 am

I have to be missing something with all of this 787 Dreamliner mumbo jumbo. It is a freaking airplane. A nose. A tail. Two wings. An airplane. Speeches, ribbon cutting, brass bands, etc... All of the continuing hoopla and pomp and circumstance eludes me. Enlighten me please. Where am I going wrong?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:32 am

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 20):
I have to be missing something with all of this 787 Dreamliner mumbo jumbo. It is a freaking airplane. A nose. A tail. Two wings. An airplane. Speeches, ribbon cutting, brass bands, etc... All of the continuing hoopla and pomp and circumstance eludes me. Enlighten me please. Where am I going wrong?

I guess you never had a brand new bike in your childhood....You never fell in love....You never get excited with a new experience....
Yes, it is "a freaking airplane" with all the basics of every airplane....like a Ferrari is just "a freaking car", and a diamond is just "a freaking piece of carbon"...

Maybe you will be happier reading about other things...

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:41 am

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:56 am

It's important to note that since CC-BBA is flying non-stop from KPAE to SCL; LAN's 787 is expected to receive ETOPS 180 certification from Chile's DGAC expeditiously. Thus, LAN's 787s will be able to operate all routes currently operated with the B-767-316ERs with-in a very short period.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14):
Are you guys seriously complaining for 1 inch of legroom????? Talk about being critical.

When it comes to legroom, an inch makes a difference.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
Well some people tend to be tedious when it comes to economy class seat pitch without factoring the width of the actual seats compared to those on the B-767-316ERs. It's also interesting to note that LAN is considering introducing a Premium Economy Cabin on the 787s...

The width of the 787 economy seats on LAN is also smaller than they have on the 767s. 17.5' vs 16.8" on the Dreamliner, so that factor does not make it better, rather the contrary.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
Now, I have to say that I'm a little bit disappointed with the new Economy Class seats. I was hoping for an 8-abreast layout, but that just faded away. Also, LAN could have installed foot support at every seat, not to mention they're reducing the seat pitch from 32" (on the 767) to 31" (on the new 787). Overall, I'm not impressed with these new Economy Class seats.   

Indeed, 9 abreast makes for narrower seats. ANA's 8 abreast looks so much better (2:4:2 config is obviousy more comfortable than 3:3:3) and combined with the decreased legroom, it really is disappointing.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:58 am

Congrats to LAN and Boeing! Hope to see pics of the 787 in MVD soon instead of the 767. 
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LAN has 4 new B-767-316ERs featuring the new Premium Business Class and the new Economy Class

Wrong,

From summa767's link:

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Asked why the new long-haul cabin debuted on LAN’s new 767s Hessin says, “Currently we only have one plane with the new long-haul cabin – it’s a 767


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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LAN's other B-767-316ERs will be retrofitted with the new cabins over the next two years.

Wrong,

Quote:
Hessin continued, “No decision has been taken yet on whether we will retrofit the existing 767 fleet with the new cabin.”
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 20):
Enlighten me please. Where am I going wrong?

LAN's purchase of the 787 represents the largest capital investment in the history of the airline and a major shift in the their widebody fleet/network strategy. It is a HUGE deal to LAN, and because of that it's a huge deal to Boeing. The two companies planned events around this first delivery which reflect the importance of this purchase to LAN.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:08 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 24):
The width of the 787 economy seats on LAN is also smaller than they have on the 767s. 17.5' vs 16.8" on the Dreamliner, so that factor does not make it better, rather the contrary.

What is the seating configuration on the 767 compared to the 787 again? There's your answer.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 24):
When it comes to legroom, an inch makes a difference.

Then there are a lot of airlines that you certainly wouldn't travel on per your criteria.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 24):

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
Now, I have to say that I'm a little bit disappointed with the new Economy Class seats. I was hoping for an 8-abreast layout, but that just faded away. Also, LAN could have installed foot support at every seat, not to mention they're reducing the seat pitch from 32" (on the 767) to 31" (on the new 787). Overall, I'm not impressed with these new Economy Class seats.   

Indeed, 9 abreast makes for narrower seats. ANA's 8 abreast looks so much better (2:4:2 config is obviousy more comfortable than 3:3:3) and combined with the decreased legroom, it really is disappointing.

How many seats does ANA have on their 787s? Regardless, many carriers that will operate the 787-8s have opted for the 3-3-3 configuration including QR and UA. ET also configured their economy class cabin in a 3-3-3 configuration. BTW, have you ever flown on a 787 before?

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 25):
Wrong,

Wrong, CC-BDD, CC-BDE, *CC-BDF, and *CC-BDG have the new cabins. I've flown on both CC-BDD and CC-BDE.
*Being retrofitted with winglets.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 25):
Wrong,

Wrong, LAN will retrofit the cabins of the B-767-316ERs that won't be phased out anytime soon.

Quoting CM (Reply 26):
LAN's purchase of the 787 represents the largest capital investment in the history of the airline and a major shift in the their widebody fleet/network strategy. It is a HUGE deal to LAN, and because of that it's a huge deal to Boeing. The two companies planned events around this first delivery which reflect the importance of this purchase to LAN.

Indeed, LAN will also incorporate 5 more B-767-316ERs this year, along with two B-777Fs.

[Edited 2012-09-01 01:12:00]
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
What is the seating configuration on the 767 compared to the 787 again? There's your answer.

That is no answer, no is there need for one. The fact remains that economy passengers on LAN's 787s will be more uncomfortable than those travelling on LAN's 767s, with seats that are narrower, with less pitch and more densely packed.



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
How many seats does ANA have on their 787s? Regardless, many carriers that will operate the 787-8s have opted for the 3-3-3 configuration including QR and UA. ET also configured their economy class cabin in a 3-3-3 configuration

Yes, I am sure LAN is not the only one. Qatar does offer 32' pitch, as does Ethiopian -which also features larger ptvs in Economy class.
A comparison discussion can be endless, but the only point I wanted to highlight is that despite being a cutting edge aircraft, in the case of LAN, passengers will be not benefit from more comfort. Indeed, they will be worse off.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:56 am

The reality in a world of ever growing energy cost, do you want to pay a lot more or do you want to keep flying for a very affordable price?

You cant have it all sadly.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 29):
The reality in a world of ever growing energy cost, do you want to pay a lot more or do you want to keep flying for a very affordable price?

The hype goes that modern aircraft should offer more comfort. They should also offer better economics as they consume a lot less fuel. So in theory you should not have to pay more for the same comfort.
Here is a case where passengers will actually be worse off. Do you think that fares will fall? I don't.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 24):

Oh please, you cant be seriously telling me that 2.5 cm(1inch) of legroom makes that much of a difference. I honestly think you are being way too critical about this and thats just really sad. We all cant have it our way.
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:56 am

Quoting summa767 (Reply 28):
A comparison discussion can be endless, but the only point I wanted to highlight is that despite being a cutting edge aircraft, in the case of LAN, passengers will be not benefit from more comfort. Indeed, they will be worse off.

I completely disagree with your statement and passengers will enjoy the spacious cabins, (note that LAN has opted for the signature LED-lit archway offered by Boeing), as well as the many other attributes that sets the Dreamliner apart from any other a/c. Passengers will enjoy the new IFE system, the new texture of the seats, the new in-flight products that LAN will unveil for Y passengers, as well as the little things such as a second cup holder, USB adapters, etc. While you claim that passengers will be uncomfortable with one inch less pitch, you need to realize that LAN is not the only carrier that has reduced its seat pitch by an inch. And most passengers won't even notice. I wonder what you would say if Avianca followed this trend when they receive their new 787s next year?

Quoting summa767 (Reply 28):
The fact remains that economy passengers on LAN's 787s will be more uncomfortable than those travelling on LAN's 767s, with seats that are narrower, with less pitch and more densely packed.

Right now, 180 passengers are on flight 1327 and some will be reporting on the inflight experience in both the Premium Business and Economy cabins. Let's see what they think of the flying experience on LAN's Dreamliner. Do you think they will have negative comments about the comfort of the flight? BTW, have you ever flown on a LAN 767 or even a 787 before?
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Oh please, you cant be seriously telling me that 2.5 cm(1inch) of legroom makes that much of a difference. I honestly think you are being way too critical about this and thats just really sad. We all cant have it our way.

Summa767 is obsessed with every minute detail concerning LAN. He is basically stating that since LAN will have a 31 inch pitch in economy on the 787s, passengers will dislike flying on LAN's 787s and will find it uncomfortable. However, he will be proven wrong when the a/c enters commercial service with LAN and he knows it!
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:08 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Oh please, you cant be seriously telling me that 2.5 cm(1inch) of legroom makes that much of a difference.

2.5 cm of legroom for many people make the difference between being able to move their knees freely, or having to have them swivelled sideways.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
I honestly think you are being way too critical about this and thats just really sad

I simply stated that I was disappointed in one sentence. It is the replies that followed that continue to drive the discussion.
However, what I think would be really sad, is if a.netters were to swallow the PR whole, without even stopping to think about the facts.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
I completely disagree with your statement and passengers will enjoy the spacious cabins, (note that LAN has opted for the signature LED-lit archway offered by Boeing)

Unfortunately passengers will not be floating around the archway. They will be seated in seats that are narrower and more densely packed.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
Right now, 180 passengers are on flight 1327 and some will be reporting on the inflight experience in both the Premium Business and Economy cabins. Let's see what they think of the flying experience on LAN's Dreamliner.

We will have to hear unbiased and objective reviews. The people travelling on the delivery flight will have been fed all the PR script.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
I wonder what you would say if Avianca followed this trend when they receive their new 787s next year?

I would be similarly disappointed it that were to do that. However, I would hope that they would keep the seat pitch at 32' going along with Qatar and Ethiopian, an indeed think it more likely.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:09 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):



Quote the identity director Rajmin Hessin, not me, as it's him you're correcting. So no need to hide under the table.
But if you're right, it's bad for LAN to let this person say such false things. 
Quoting summa767 (Reply 30):
Do you think that fares will fall? I don't



I agree. Looking at how things are going in South America, unfortunately I think the fares will rise. But oh wait Chile has open skies.  
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
Do you think they will have negative comments about the comfort of the flight?



SCL767, there is always drawbacks to almost everything (if not everything). Everything is not just about new shiny things ( like apparently you haven't heard about the debate on dimmable window shades vs the old standard window shade). And I think that's the point of Summa767. We need critical thinking too, and -unfortunately- especially in your threads. 

Now, will we hear them? I don't think so, because the "wow factor" is quite big here and it affects us all. Like when I flew on LH's A380, I was amazed at how awesome the plane was. We are all like that. 

And before you say I dislike LAN, I don't, I like them and that we South Americans are the 4th to get the 787 is just awesome. But you - yet again, unfortunately - make me dislike them for a couple of seconds. 

To follow LA1327 to SCL: http://sv.flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1327

Looks like it's the Andes 2 arrival for runway 17L/R.
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):

Thanks for all the good information. I am really happy for LAN, which I consider to be the best airline in the region hands down. I'm proud that they are first in the Americas, even if I'm not Chilean. Unfortunately in the southern cone region for some reason envy runs rampant. I really think there is a lot to celebrate and be proud of   

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:37 pm

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):

I think LAN idea was brilliant..... another few million people with that thought and their premium product will
always be booked full!  
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):
Quote the identity director Rajmin Hessin, not me, as it's him you're correcting. So no need to hide under the table.
But if you're right, it's bad for LAN to let this person say such false things. 

RJ can clear it up for you. There are pics on his and several other blogs showing the new cabins on CC-BDD, CC-BDE, etc.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):
I agree. Looking at how things are going in South America, unfortunately I think the fares will rise. But oh wait Chile has open skies.

AR/AU is adding flights, CM operates PTY-SCL 4x daily and will go 5x daily next year, UA will eventually return to SCL, etc.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):
SCL767, there is always drawbacks to almost everything (if not everything). Everything is not just about new shiny things ( like apparently you haven't heard about the debate on dimmable window shades vs the old standard window shade).

We know this, and while I've tried to explain to him certain things, i.e. what the LASER model is; he refutes it and basically compares LA's domestic model to that of NK. However, I find his assertions about LAN's 787 petty since he has no facts to support his claim; and usually what he says in his threads about LAN tends to be false in the end...

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):
And before you say I dislike LAN, I don't, I like them and that we South Americans are the 4th to get the 787 is just awesome. But you - yet again, unfortunately - make me dislike them for a couple of seconds.

You should dislike AI instead.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):
Now, will we hear them? I don't think so, because the "wow factor" is quite big here and it affects us all.

The 787 is an aircraft that will allow LAN to open up new routes that it never could operate before, i.e. SCL-Europe. Today is also a historic day for Chilean Aviation as the 787 Dreamliner joins LAN's fleet.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 34):

To follow LA1327 to SCL: http://sv.flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1327

Looks like it's the Andes 2 arrival for runway 17L/R.

Headed to SCL now for a fascinating day!  

Saludos,

Quoting 757gb (Reply 35):
Thanks for all the good information. I am really happy for LAN, which I consider to be the best airline in the region hands down. I'm proud that they are first in the Americas, even if I'm not Chilean. Unfortunately in the southern cone region for some reason envy runs rampant. I really think there is a lot to celebrate and be proud of

A lot of people are proud to see the 787 join LAN's fleet. It will soon operate into EZE and LIM and the people who live and work there should be proud that they will be working with and flying on the Dreamliner before the larger airlines in the U.S. and Europe get them.

Saludos,
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 20):
I have to be missing something with all of this 787 Dreamliner mumbo jumbo. It is a freaking airplane. A nose. A tail. Two wings. An airplane. Speeches, ribbon cutting, brass bands, etc... All of the continuing hoopla and pomp and circumstance eludes me. Enlighten me please. Where am I going wrong?

Because the 787 is a step change in the way modern airliners are designed and built, a trend that has already started to catch on with other airframers (A350 etc) in a that will benefit the whole industry.

Plus, it's a new Boeing airliner. The last "all new" Boeing aircraft was the 777, which is quite a while ago now. What's wrong with getting excited over a new machine? It's always nice when a newly introduced plane starts to gain traction, as the 787 seems to be now.
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 37):
It will soon operate into EZE and LIM and the people who live and work there should be proud that they will be working with and flying on the Dreamliner before the larger airlines in the U.S. and Europe get them.

Indeed. Enjoy your day!

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting summa767 (Reply 30):
The hype goes that modern aircraft should offer more comfort.

You should know that this is up to the airline and that over the past decades, the amount of space per pax has reduced.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 30):
They should also offer better economics as they consume a lot less fuel. So in theory you should not have to pay more for the same comfort.

It will enable all those things, compared to 767s and A330s.
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting summa767 (Reply 5):
I was disappointed to read in the piece below that LAN's economy class pitch will be less than it has on the 767s at 31" vs 32" on the 767.

Plus the seat is only16.8 inch wide. That's snug!

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
LAN could have installed foot support at every seat,

Could most passengers have used it considering a 31" pitch?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14):
Are you guys seriously complaining for 1 inch of legroom?????

Well, when you only have about two inches of legroom to begin with sitting down and you take one away, well yes I think the complaint is valid.

I typically am forced to fly economy - business class is simply not affordable for most flights I take - and I endure the cramped seats without complaint, I know what I get. 32" pitch is tight. A 17" seat is tight, and I'm not that big a guy. 31" pitch is really tight and less than a 17" is really tight - especially on long haul.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:31 pm

The plane looks beautiful in LAN's colors. I am really looking forward to ride it once it flies to MAD.

It's a pity there's less legroom and the seats become narrower but that is the tone nowadays. IB started with its horrible slim seats in short haul a few years ago and today almost every European carrier has them. As said before, it's the balance between lower prices and comfort that has tilted towards the former. The J product though looks very, very good.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Oh please, you cant be seriously telling me that 2.5 cm(1inch) of legroom makes that much of a difference. I honestly think you are being way too critical about this and thats just really sad. We all cant have it our way.

Anybody who believes 1" does not make a difference has never had their knees jammed into the seat in front for hours on end. It is miserable and certainly plays a major part in my choices.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting summa767 (Reply 33):
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 41):
Quoting mham001 (Reply 43):

At 31 inches it shouldnt make a difference. 31 inches is enough legroom on a med/long haul flight, obviously not for you guys.

Modern aircraft doesnt always mean better comfort, especially in this day and age with high fuel prices and he state of the world economy, its always the airlines decision on the configuration of the aircraft. Plus this is ECONOMY we are talking about!! 31 inches of legroom is pretty much standard with most airlines these days. But its obviously for you extreme comfort seekers.

And mham001 I have had my knees jammed up into the seat in front of me and in that case 1 more inch would not have made a difference, so therefore i know what im saying.

Anyway this is about LAN getting their first 787, so lets get back on topic.
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 43):
Anybody who believes 1" does not make a difference has never had their knees jammed into the seat in front for hours on end. It is miserable and certainly plays a major part in my choices.

Depending on what seats are used, 31" pitch may actually provide more leg room than 32" pitch on an older aircraft. I you are comparing to LAN's older 767 economy seats, the 31" pitch on the 787 almost certainly has more legroom due to the way the seatback is designed.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:17 pm



Quoting summa767 (Reply 30):
The hype goes that modern aircraft should offer more comfort. They should also offer better economics as they consume a lot less fuel. So in theory you should not have to pay more for the same comfort.
Here is a case where passengers will actually be worse off. Do you think that fares will fall? I don't.

From the blog entry referred to by the OP, "The same seats installed on LAN’s new 767s are pitched at 32” as LAN opted to keep its existing LOPA rather than certify a new layout."

So, it would seem that if LAN wanted to go to the trouble of recertifying, the 767s would see a 31" pitch with the new seat also...probably offering the same legroom as 32" pitch with the old seat. It is merely serendipity that the 767s will feature more legroom than the 787 due to the switch to new seats.

Quoting CM (Reply 45):
Depending on what seats are used, 31" pitch may actually provide more leg room than 32" pitch on an older aircraft. I you are comparing to LAN's older 767 economy seats, the 31" pitch on the 787 almost certainly has more legroom due to the way the seatback is designed.

Agreed...the amount of functional legroom with the newer seats and 1" less pitch is probably the same as that enjoyed with the older, thicker seats.

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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14):
One of the best looking 787s so far!

It's not the prettiest aircraft in the world, is it.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 24):
When it comes to legroom, an inch makes a difference.

When you are travelling long haul you need space. Personally I'd like LAN not to improve their legroom as it will show what a fantastically spacious aircraft the A380 is and how perfect it is for long haul travel.

Twin jets for long haul are a big no-no for me now.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:00 pm

Geeze! I looked for an answer to my dilemma, but damned if I am going to go through all of these posts in an effort to find them or one! Simply not near worth it to me. If anyone replied.....Thanks anyway.
 
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RE: LAN Airlines Receives Its First 787 Dreamliner

Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Oh please, you cant be seriously telling me that 2.5 cm(1inch) of legroom makes that much of a difference

Did you say the same thing when international airlines started reducing pitch from the ages-old standard of 34" to 32"? When 32" pitch is considered good I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Will you say that 1" doesn't make much difference when the new standard is 30" ? ... 29" ... 28"

Do you buy the BS about it being OK because the new seats are thinner? Thinner = less cushioning = less conformable for long haul.

Every inch they pinch is actually more important than the last one. The point at which you can't sit with your legs pointing anything like straight ahead has already arrived for most adult western males.

Its not good for Boeing if the 787 becomes known as the SardineLiner, unless A350 customers go 3-4-3 and 30" in which case that will be dubbed the PlanktonLiner and sardines will feel like they have it good.

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