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ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:43 pm

ANA now have 12 788's , presumably all are in service. How are they deploying these within their system?
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:24 pm

Checkout this thread....

Current & Future 787 Routes #2 (by United787 Jul 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
Checkout this thread....

Mods lock this one. Sorry for the duplication
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):

Mods lock this one. Sorry for the duplication

Would be nice if they could unlock the other thread, it needs updating, isn't that old and isn't too long...
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:52 am

Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:43 pm

The other thread mentioned AM MEX-NRT. Would this be nonstop or still stopping in TIJ?
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):

Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).

I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):
Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).

They now have a third 787 for long-haul flights (JA813A) and the fourth should follow somewhere this month (JA814A).
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

But NH also wants to sell their airline to the Japanese people, who are more and more flying LCCs domestically and non-Japanese carriers internationally.
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:06 pm

JA813A is finally in service and was last seen on HND-PEK.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/JA813A

I would expect her to fly much further because she is equipped with a long-haul configuration (like JA805A and JA806A)?
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:33 pm

The more long haul configured birds the better, reduces the chances of me flying the same machine HND-FRA in November!
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 10):
The more long haul configured birds the better, reduces the chances of me flying the same machine HND-FRA in November!

Why? Was there something wrong with the one you were on?
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 11):

- no but I'd prefer to have a new registration for my log.
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
I would expect her to fly much further because she is equipped with a long-haul configuration

Are they equipping the later line numbers for long haul since they are getting progressively lighter ? This would make sense (to me )   
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

Most of the 788's that NH has received so far are early build frames, airframes that are significantly overweight. IIRC, the most range they can reasonably expect from one of these frames without any payload restriction is ~4300 NM, enough to do "regional" flights within Asia, but not really long enough legs to do what the 787 is intended to do  

The later build frames are the ones that are doing the international routes (like FRA...).
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:18 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Most of the 788's that NH has received so far are early build frames, airframes that are significantly overweight. IIRC, the most range they can reasonably expect from one of these frames without any payload restriction is ~4300 NM,

PIANO-X has the EIS version loaded in its database. With this version the one with 158-seats is good for ~7500nm passenger load only. The 262-seat version is good for ~6500nm.
Despite what "dogs" the early one's are supposed to be the EIS version can haul better than 30t on the about 12hr HND-FRA. sector.
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:34 am

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

Perhaps that was what ANA wanted to do back in 2006 but with the design/certification/production delays, the 763 replacement is taking a priority now that all the int'l 744s are gone.
Besides, flying the 787 on the domestic circuit would be the best way to showcase the newest product to us Japanese people.
For people around the world outside of Germany, they just have to come to Japan.
 
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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 16):
Perhaps that was what ANA wanted to do back in 2006 but with the design/certification/production delays, the 763 replacement is taking a priority now that all the int'l 744s are gone.
Besides, flying the 787 on the domestic circuit would be the best way to showcase the newest product to us Japanese people.
For people around the world outside of Germany, they just have to come to Japan.

Not necessarily. I was watching a Seattle Mariners game about a week ago on cable, and there was an ANA commercial promoting the 787 and ANA's Seattle serice. I was suprised, as commercials from foreign airlines are very rare here in the US. I was also supprised that NH was advertising themselves as "ANA Airlines" and not "All-Nippon Airlines". Wonder how soon NH will be deploying the 787 to SEA...   

Of course, there is a huge Japan connection to not only Seattle, but the Mariners as well, after all, they are owned by the CEO of Nintendo, who likes to use the team to showcase Japanese players in MLB...

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RE: ANA And Their 788 Deployment

Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Wonder how soon NH will be deploying the 787 to SEA...   

October is the plan, though might be earlier now that all those Japanese fans are flying to JFK.  

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