abrown532
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Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:02 pm

Was flying around BFS airport today and runway 25 was closed for a while due to a fire vehicle which overturned on the runway. Driver possibly Hospitalised. Roof caved in and vehicle would be a write off.

Any more information would be appreciated.
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:16 pm

Hi

Wow I wasn't expecting that! what could have caused the vehicle to overturn??? Too fast??

Anyhow, I hope he is okay.  

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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:27 pm

Looks like a case of toppling due to speed maneuvering.......
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 1):
Wow I wasn't expecting that! what could have caused the vehicle to overturn??? Too fast??

I'd guess a highish center of gravity combined with carrying large amounts of sloshing liquids, despite probably having baffles.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:59 am

When I was stationed at NAS Keflavik in 1992, we had a brand new Oskosh crash fire truck just delivered. The fireman (local Icelanders working for the Navy) took it out on the flight line and were going too fast when they turned. Well all four front wheels turn at the same time and yep, the truck tipped over (full load of agent) and it was totaled. But to give them credit, they got it upright and over the next few months they completely repaired and rebuilt the truck and put it back into service. The Fire Chief was very embarrassed that his guys wrecked the truck on the very first day.
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting usafret (Reply 4):
and it was totaled. But to give them credit, they got it upright and over the next few months they completely repaired and rebuilt the truck and put it back into service.

Huh? Totaled means the cost of repair exceeds the cost of replacement. You don't repair a totaled vehicle - you sell it for parts.
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 5):
Huh? Totaled means the cost of repair exceeds the cost of replacement. You don't repair a totaled vehicle - you sell it for parts.

Totaled means the insurer won't pay for the repair and will just pay out the value of the loss. You can keep a totaled vehicle (the settlement would be value less the salvage value in that case) and repair or do whatever with it. The fire department would have gotten the check and kept the truck and repaired it themselves, which may not be unreasonable if enough similar ones were totaled.
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
The fire department would have gotten the check and kept the truck and repaired it themselves, which may not be unreasonable if enough similar ones were totaled.

The USN is 'self insured'. There would be no insurance check.

Years ago at DFW, there were two accidents whereDFW DPS ARFF trucks were toppled over. The accidents were months apart and not related. About a year after the second one, a DFW DPS Police Cruiser was left in 'drive' when the Officer exited it to write a ticket and the car drove itself into Trigg Lake on the big airport.
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:58 am

It wasn't a Fire Truck, it was one of the fire jeeps, or "Scout Vehicles", possibly had a blowout during a friction test possibly.
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting abrown532 (Reply 8):
It wasn't a Fire Truck, it was one of the fire jeeps, or "Scout Vehicles", possibly had a blowout during a friction test possibly.

Right now I am looking for "doughnuts" in the friction test manual.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I'd guess a highish center of gravity combined with carrying large amounts of sloshing liquids, despite probably having baffles.

  
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:21 pm

The truck in Kef was "totaled" because the estimated cost of repair was so high. That would be with new parts from the manufacturer and flying techs out to make the repairs. A new truck was ordered but because the local workers were able to make a functional repair, the replacement ended up being shipped to another base.

I remember the story.

New fire trucks can be difficult because they can have different COG and turning radius.
 
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RE: Fire Vehicle Overturns On Runway At BFS

Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
New fire trucks can be difficult because they can have different COG and turning radius.

Thats the reason for the mandatory training prior to usage....
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