LipeGIG
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TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:39 pm

TAM will take the opportunity with their new 4 B77W to retire their small fleet of 3 Boeing 767-300ER.

The 763's were used nowadays only on GIG-MIA, MAO-MIA, BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA which means that Miami will soon see a product upgauge for mostly routes, increasing competition with American as they will also offer First Class service from 3 new markets (GIG already offers F to JFK and MCO, among others outside the USA) and will offer also PTV on all seats.

Effective 28/OCT

GIG-MIA
MIA-GIG
CNF-MIA
MIA-CNF
BSB-MIA
MIA-BSB

Effective 29/OCT

MIA-MAO
MAO-MIA

Will all be operated by Airbus A330-200 (4F 32/36J* 183Y)
* Depending on the route, as they will reserve more seats for crew rest.

As a side note, TAM will operate JFK-GRU 9x weekly B77W + 5x weekly A332 (daylight on Tuesdays and Fridays will be operated by B77W)
This means that the incoming A332 from GIG-JFK will assume the daylight service the next day JFK-GRU and the incoming daylight GRU-JFK will cover the redeye JFK-GIG.

TAM - Iata winter schedule - US-Brazil

MIA-GRU - 2x daily B77W
MIA-GIG - Daily A332
MIA-MAO - Daily A332
MIA-BSB - 4x weekly A332
MIA-CNF - 3x weekly A332
MCO-GRU - 2x daily A332
MCO-GIG - Daily A332
JFK-GRU - 9x weekly B77W + 5x weekly A332
JFK-GIG - 6x weekly A332


Source: Schedule change requested to Brazilian ANAC
http://www2.anac.gov.br/arquivos/xls/hotran/1.1.xls

[Edited 2012-09-05 06:42:58]
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:55 pm

Thanks. I didn't even know that they operated 763s...
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The 763's were used nowadays only on GIG-MIA, MAO-MIA, BSB-MIA and CNF-MIA which means that Miami will soon see a product upgauge for mostly routes, increasing competition with American as they will also offer First Class service from 3 new markets (GIG already offers F to JFK and MCO, among others outside the USA) and will offer also PTV on all seats.

Indeed, TAM upgauging the BSB-MIA, CNF-MIA, GIG-MIA, and MAO-MIA routes with the A332s will certainly increase competition with AA on these routes.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
JFK-GRU - 9x weekly B77W + 5x weekly A332
MIA-GRU - 2x daily B77W

With the new B77Ws, TAM will increase capacity significantly on the GRU-MIA and GRU-JFK routes. Good to see TAM upgauging these routes in order to increase competition with AA.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:31 pm

TAM is going to be raking it in with those 77Ws this winter. . .
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
With the new B77Ws, TAM will increase capacity significantly on the GRU-MIA and GRU-JFK routes. Good to see TAM upgauging these routes in order to increase competition with AA.

True, MIA will see GRU-MIA increase over 60%
GRU-JFK around 35%
All other routes see minor increase (around 8 to 10%) as the 763 seats 205 passengers and the A332, 223.

And they are launching GIG-MCO.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Thanks. I didn't even know that they operated 763s...

3 ex-AZ frames, received back in 2008 in a 5 year lease. Still with AZ J seats and 30J 175Y due to crew rest.
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
True, MIA will see GRU-MIA increase over 60%

Yep, in two weeks, one of the daily GRU-MIA services will operate with the B77W. PT-MUE just joined TAM's fleet and PT-MUF should arrive later this month.

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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
MIA-GRU - 2x daily B77W
MIA-GIG - Daily A332
MIA-MAO - Daily A332
MIA-BSB - 4x weekly A332
MIA-CNF - 3x weekly A332
MCO-GRU - 2x daily A332
MCO-GIG - Daily A332
JFK-GRU - 9x weekly B77W + 5x weekly A332
JFK-GIG - 6x weekly A332

This is a schedule of a growing airline, Varig a its height could only dream of having such a timetable to the USA. RG did fly to LAX & on to Tokyo, that type of flight would not be viable today.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
This is a schedule of a growing airline, Varig a its height could only dream of having such a timetable to the USA.

TAM will also increase frequencies and capacity on certain regional routes within South America and will soon add 17 new weekly frequencies.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Does anyone know where the 763s are going?
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
This is a schedule of a growing airline, Varig a its height could only dream of having such a timetable to the USA. RG did fly to LAX & on to Tokyo, that type of flight would not be viable today.

This is the schedule of an airline that saw a recent opportunity to gain on growing demand between Brazil and United States. One clear item we can say here is that the USA become immigration friendly to Brazilians and they are getting a strong response.
As for additional markets would love to see a flight to LAS in the near future as well as Northeast-MIA flights.

Who knows in 2013 as JJ will receive 2 additional B77W.
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
As for additional markets would love to see a flight to LAS in the near future as well as Northeast-MIA flights.

IMHO, LA will be the one flying to destinations i.e. LAS via LIM, (routing pax from Brazil via the LIM hub).

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Who knows in 2013 as JJ will receive 2 additional B77W.

JJ won't have much flexibility with its widebody fleet during 2013. These 2 B77Ws could be used on existing routes with high demand to free up additional A332, i. e. if JJ wants to increase flights to Europe next year.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:36 pm

Good move towards a more standard fleet. But the A330 has operating costs 15-20% higher per departure than the 767-300. The A330 cabin and performance are superior but TAM is going to have a higher hurdle to open new, thin longer haul routes without the 767s.
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 11):
The A330 cabin and performance are superior but TAM is going to have a higher hurdle to open new, thin longer haul routes without the 767s.

LAN could transfer a/c over to TAM in the future. LAN has 9 new B-767-316ERs on order and by 2014, LAN will have 12 B-787-8s in the fleet.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 8):

Does anyone know where the 763s are going?

18-year-old 767s? A Startup or the Third World most likely. Alternatively freighter conversion or the scrapyard, depending on how worn-out they are.
 
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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting na (Reply 13):
Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 8):

Does anyone know where the 763s are going?

18-year-old 767s? A Startup or the Third World most likely. Alternatively freighter conversion or the scrapyard, depending on how worn-out they are.

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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
3 ex-AZ frames, received back in 2008 in a 5 year lease. Still with AZ J seats and 30J 175Y due to crew rest.

Were they upgraded at all, or was the upholstery changed? I ask because I flew one of TAM's 763s in the C cabin in 2010 and the seats showed no obvious AZ pedigree.


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RE: TAM To Retire 763's

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):
Were they upgraded at all, or was the upholstery changed? I ask because I flew one of TAM's 763s in the C cabin in 2010 and the seats showed no obvious AZ pedigree

They just changed the color. Never introduced JJ default seats on them.
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