teahan
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Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:07 am

I think I spelt Qantas right?    

I got theis infor from Marcs Orders site and egoup which is one of the most reliable sources out there!

There may be nothing new in the first or third part but the second part is a surprise!

Airbus Industrie is negotiating to sell as many as
18 A3XXs to Qantas. Qantas may place 12 firm
orders, worth about $2.8 billion, with options for an additional planes.

They will also order 6 A333 and 3 744
before Nov.

There is also a 737NG order is expected by May 2001.

The decision will be made Wednesday

Other Rumours

Crossair will order 12 A32Xs
CX has ordered an unknown number of A340 600s. Expect it to only be officially announced in April 2001!

What do you think?

Jeremiah Teahan
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:44 am

I've heard (on the newswires) Qantas will order 10 A3XX's. Your information is probably more accurate. What's a shock is the A333!!!
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 8:47 am

What is the URL of "Marcs Orders site and egoup"?
Thanks!
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:19 am

URL for Marc's site is http://www.surf.to/orders/

The A333 is a surprise and I'd think it only possible if Airbus have offered a bundle price for A3XX and A333. Otherwise I'd have expected them to go for 772.

I think the A333 would look great in QF colors however. Its long graceful lines tend to make it look good in anyone's livery.
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 11:05 am

I agree that if Qantas buys A330-300s it would be because Airbus "forced" them to to get a good deal on the A3XX. Then I think that once Qantas gets their A3XXs then the A333s will go pretty quickly.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:03 pm

No TRVLR, if QF do choose the A333, I would guess it is for the long haul not a short term purchase. The A3XX and A330 are hardly interchangeable. QF management are very good fleet planners and if they have decided on the A330 it'll be around for a while. Likewise if they go for the 777 it'll be a long term plan.
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:24 pm

I am fed up with rumours circulating around, no matter where they
are coming from! I will believe in this QF order when I see it confirmed!

Janos
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:24 pm

Who on earth is this Marc person and where did he get his facts so wrong?

The aircraft to be ordered is an extremely long range 300+ seater. Candidates are the A340-500 and the 777-200LR. The possibility exists that younger brothers 330/340 and 777 (non-LR) could be ordered at a future date, but the priority is the retirement of the 747 Classics and the -Sp's. 333's will not help in this regard. Keep in mind that BA's 763 are coming on board to increase capacity.

Furthermore, an A330-300 would have significant problems carrying a full load of pax and cargo on QF's main trunk routes i.e SYD-BKK, SYD-NRT, SYD-HKG. I don't know why it would even be considered here...
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 12:26 pm

i also agree that Qantas should order the A333 and A3XX . They should order the A320s family to replace the Boeing 737s . Qantas was once an all-Boeing fleet and i think this is going to change .
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:48 pm

A330-300s !? what a surprise !
But I read elsewhere that Airbus is offering an extended range A330-300s so it may still be possible, and can replace the 747SPs and also a little bit of 747-200s.
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 10:40 pm

I think if QF buys the A330-300 they will be primarily used for more regional flights, like for example domestic flights between Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.

I believe that the A333 has the range to fly from Perth to Singapore or Hong Kong. SIN-SYD and HKG-SYD will still be the province of the 747, though.
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Tue Oct 17, 2000 10:57 pm

If you talk about capacity, then yes, the B747 is more suited for the SIN-SYD route. Rangewise, SIN-SYD could also be operated by an A333.

Following are the ranges for some specific routes:
SYN-SYD: 3393 nm (6283 km)
PER-NRT: 4239 nm (7851 km)
MEL-HKG: 3966 nm (7345 km)

All these routes can be flown with the 233t MTOW A333, let alone the 240t MTOW A333.

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RE: Qantas And The A330 - A Great Mix

Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:05 am

People think of the A330 as a relatively short legged aircraft, but bear in mind that Aer Lingus's 330-300s (which have a 212t MTOW) fly daily from DUB to ORD, which is a distance of 3,656 miles and can take up to 9 hours in Winter.

The 240t aircraft, if offered to QF, would allow it to cover virtually every route flown by the 763 on its Asian network. Its fuel consumption is not much more than the 767, despite the 20-30% increase in pax and massive increase in freight uplift. It will be a phenomenally good aircraft for QF, as it has been for the airlines that have flown it already.

Incidentally, the airline's first 300 seat requirement for for around 6-8 aircraft for inter-Asian routes; it's cooled off a little on ultra longer haulers, but if they've ordered the 333 and the 3XX, well, I'm sure Airbus could win them over with the 340-5/600/
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Wed Oct 18, 2000 3:12 am

Yes as Kaitak said it is for the 240t A330 300! Remember how the A330 300 turned around Aer Lingus Transatlantic Flights!    

More Rumours from the usual place:

Expect a large Fed EX Airbus order in the near future!

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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:56 am

QF have made some pretty friendly noises about the A3xx since SQ took the plunge. It would be classic Airbus to tag on another type on the cheap. Remember new A3xx's would free up 744's to replace the Classics and A333's would free up 763's for domestic routes, which QF seem to want.

Interesting times.
 
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QANTAS: Oh My God

Wed Oct 18, 2000 6:24 am

another dogdy airline orders airbuses.
 
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What Qantas Should Have Ordered

Wed Oct 18, 2000 6:29 am

20 777-200LR
20 747x
10767-400erx
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:02 am

Remember,

there is no official order placed yet. Let's wait and see. They are only rumors but I think there is a strong chance of an A3XX/A333 order. For those who question Marc he works in the aviation industry and his rumors are very reliable(but not 100%) which would be impossible in this industry. Also, this will be one of the hardest fought campaigns between the 2 manufacturers and Qantas can only benefit from this. My mail is that there will be no announcements until next month and both manufacturers will have some success. To Pandora he obviously knows little about what QF should order- only what he wants them to order. The A3XX is a better aircraft than the 747-X-full stop and QF will get them at a great price(cheaper than a 777-200LR). QF have shelved plans to order ULR aircraft at this stage as they deem them not economically viable. No doubt an order for the 777-200LR/A340-500 will eventuate sometime in the future but not at the moment. I agree with you about the 764- I think it could serve QF well. Marc has actually stated on the orders site today that a potential QF order could be for A333/332 for regional international flights, 764(non-ERX) for domestic sectors and 747-400X and A3XX, with the single aisle replacement decision delayed until around May 2001. If this occurred that would be good for both manufacturers but I think Airbus would be the happier of the 2.

Time will tell.

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Good On Ya Qantas

Wed Oct 18, 2000 8:16 am

The A3XX is perfect for the ultra-long range operations that Qantas has.
This plane has a lot more potential comfort wise than the B747.XX, off course, it is up to the airlines to make use of the innovations made possible by Airbus in this new giant.
Anyway, With 18 firm orders by Qantas, the 50 planes order mark will be reached and I am sure that more airlines will follow in the near future.
Look at ANA,JAL and MAS as new candidates.
BA: unlikely for now, they are concentrating on the B777 right now (terrific plane)
LH: too large for their operations at the moment
KLM: The company is not in a position for major investments, too large
Fed EX: they will order it without doubt, I think even in the near future (upcoming days...)
Shiek!
 
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RE: Pandora

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:17 pm

"Pandora :another dogdy airline orders airbuses"

  hehehe .... i assume you're kidding right?  

If not....ummmm......does that mean you consider British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, United, Northwest, US Airways, Swissair, Austrian, ANA, Ansett Australia, Iberia, Sabena, SAS, Finnair, Air Canada, JAS, LanChile, British Midland, Emirates, Malaysia Airlines, FedEx, Thai, Aer Lingus etc etc etc etc etc etc etc........to be "dodgy airlines" too??

 

hahahaaha!!

OK then!!!!  

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Pandora

Wed Oct 18, 2000 11:05 pm

Hey Pandora,

Nice suggestions, but I would add anything:

222 Canadair Jets
444 B717s
666 MD-11Fs

Would fit well, right?  


Regards
Udo
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:05 am

To all: It seems extraordinary that after all the time and effort which must have gone into determining which URL a/c (777/A340) would best suit its' needs that Qantas would deem the choices "not economically viable". While I'm certain that Qantas has its' own motives for making that determination, it seems at odds with what most of the international carriers have decided. Since the 747X (in some variant) seems to be figured into the Qantas equation, is it possible that they may be looking at the 747X URL variant in place of the 777/A340? It has the 4 engines that some imply QF prefers and is projected to have sufficient range to go wherever QF flies with some margin to spare and falls in between A3XX and A330 in capacity. I suspect the offer would be attractive.

I guess what I'm thinking is that when the picture gets this nebulous(remember, QF originally wanted 300+ seaters above all)surprises seem inevitable.

Any thoughts?

F4N
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:13 am

dodgy airlines ehh?

Air France.........check
Northwest ........check
Iberia.............check
Air Canada......check
Thai...............check
Aer Lingus.......check
United ............uhhh yuck

On a less confrontational front, what is URL?
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Thu Oct 19, 2000 7:48 am

TWA.................. check!
Shiek!
 
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Thu Oct 19, 2000 11:14 pm

So can anyone simplify what the meeting
on the 18th/october produced?

Any deffinates or just rumours?

Thanks
aduum
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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Fri Oct 20, 2000 3:54 am

Aduum: Apparently no decisions were made. It appears that any announcements have been deferred till the shareholders' meeting in November.

TWAneedsNOhelp: scratch URL...should have been ULR:
Ultra Long Range. Sorry about the typo!

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RE: Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order

Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:13 am

Looks like Airbus is selling its aircraft under cost again. I would bet that 2-4 billion of the 12 billion development cost is to cover the selling of the A3XX at a loss.

Airbus to Win Qantas Airways Order Over Boeing, AFR Reports  


Sydney, Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus Industrie, the world's second-largest aircraft maker, has pulled clear of top-ranked Boeing Co. for a multibillion order from Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's biggest carrier, the Australian Financial Review said, without citing sources.

The newspaper said Boeing has lost favoritism after refusing to chase the discounts and ``exceptionally competitive offer'' made by its European rival.

Sydney-based Qantas has reserved its right to buy at least 12 of the 550-seat A3XX ``superjumbo'' jetliner plus six options at a low introductory price of about $170 million-to-$180 million, the newspaper said.

Qantas Chairman Margaret Jackson said this week the company would decide by the end of calendar 2000 on which aircraft to purchase as part of its multibillion dollar fleet overhaul planned for the next 5-to-10 years.

(The Australian Financial Review, 10/20, p28)

Oct/19/2000 15:58 ET

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