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G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:50 am

Glenn Beck has been using his radio show to bash AA over an allegedly rude AA F/A from EWR to DFW.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/radio-...-beck-renews-attack-193627971.html

[Edited 2012-09-05 18:54:13]
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:55 am

He's just seeking attention, what he does best.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:57 am

Most people will pay extra to fly on an airline that refuses to fly Beck!!!!
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 1):

He's just seeking attention, what he does best.

Isn't that his job?
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 3):
Isn't that his job?

Yes, and it's all he knows how to do.  
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:06 am

Had this happened earlier in the year and AA fired him, he would've been a featured guest at the DNC in CLT. He would've been a martyr for the cause.
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 2):
Most people will pay extra to fly on an airline that refuses to fly Beck!!!!

AA does not refuse to fly Beck. Beck chooses not to fly AA.

BTW - I'm with Beck in that regard.
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:34 am

Interesting that tolerance is preached, yet it cannot be tolerated if it's not your view and needs to be treated like shit otherwise.

That being said, no matter who it is, you never drop your professionalism. If you don't like the guy and can't even fathom the idea that you have to serve him breakfast, then request within your F/As that you switch so you don't have to look at him. It's as simple as this. And if you cannot handle it, then you shouldn't be working where you have to deal with people. Plain and simple.
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:45 am

This is a perfect use of his time and influence (Sarcasm) . Hopefully none of his sponsors are AA or affiliates. On a personal note, I always find it difficult to give sympathy to first class passengers that complain about the service - have them sit middle row on Spirit Airlines transcon and maybe Beck will realize that Spirit doesn't discriminate again his political views but only in seat space.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:59 am

I had a really bad experience at Subway back in 2005. I just thought you guys should know.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:36 am

Oh the poor Beckster...the trials and tribulations of the uber-rich are such fascinating reads.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 8):

Ditto.

Just sounds like another reason for him to bust out the chalk board on fixed I mean fox news
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 8):
This is a perfect use of his time and influence (Sarcasm) . Hopefully none of his sponsors are AA or affiliates. On a personal note, I always find it difficult to give sympathy to first class passengers that complain about the service - have them sit middle row on Spirit Airlines transcon and maybe Beck will realize that Spirit doesn't discriminate again his political views but only in seat space.

HuH?

I really get a kick out fhis website. Heaven forbid someone should badmouth an FA. Heck, let's now turn on the premium passenger and tell him to pi$$ off if he doesn't like it.

Man, it just kills me. Seriously, are we on the side of the airlines being successful or not?

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:35 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 8):
On a personal note, I always find it difficult to give sympathy to first class passengers that complain about the service - have them sit middle row on Spirit Airlines transcon and maybe Beck will realize that Spirit doesn't discriminate again his political views but only in seat space.

It doesn't say whether he paid for F or was an upgrade. Due to his riches, I'm going to at least give it a chance that he paid for his F ticket. In that case, he absolutely has right to complain about service. Paid F, even on a domestic flight, is not cheap. A middle seat on Spirit is, often, quite cheap. Big, big differences SHOULD be expected. Plenty of people complain about their $30 fare on Spirit....I think it's acceptable to not be satisfied about your $800 fare on AA F (if justified).
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting xjramper (Reply 7):
That being said, no matter who it is, you never drop your professionalism. If you don't like the guy and can't even fathom the idea that you have to serve him breakfast, then request within your F/As that you switch so you don't have to look at him. It's as simple as this. And if you cannot handle it, then you shouldn't be working where you have to deal with people. Plain and simple.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 12):
I really get a kick out fhis website. Heaven forbid someone should badmouth an FA. Heck, let's now turn on the premium passenger and tell him to pi$$ off if he doesn't like it.

Just curious, what happened the the idea that we have no proof that anything actually happened? Or that Beck brought it on himself? We have another thread where people claimed that they were denied boarding do to their sons disability and many are saying that it was probably deserved or that we don't know the whole story.

Could that be the case here? Who is backing up what Beck is claiming? In the article even Beck stated

Quote:
However, Beck acknowledged that his wife, seated across the aisle, didn't notice anything unusual.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:54 am

Unless this can be corroborated somehow, all we have is Beck's word that it went down the way he says it did. And we know how he likes to play fast and loose with facts and draw inferences that aren't there. So while I do think that FAs have an obligation to provide professional service to customers regardless of their personal opinion of them, one has to consider the source here.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:55 am

Glenn Beck is a complete clown. Actually he's worse than that, he's a bonifide sociopath.

Not "fawning" over him is hardly evidence that the FA treated him poorly. The guy is a paranoid nut job, period.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:29 am

This thread no longer appears to be about AA's treatment of their First Class passengers...It has instead become a charged and divisive political commentary. Many on here rant daily about the erosion of airline service. However, many of those same complainers somehow think it is absolutely acceptable if the victim is one of those "mean, white, Southern conservatives!!!"
This is a forum about AIRLINES and AVIATION. It is not the place to bash those with different political beliefs. I think the Mods should lock or remove this thread.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:39 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
Just curious, what happened the the idea that we have no proof that anything actually happened? Or that Beck brought it on himself?

Where did I say that it happened or didn't happen??? I just addressed the folks here who somehow surmised that because it was a comment against an FA - or more likely, a person with different political views than theirs - that it was not deserving of consideration and must be put down.

For all I know, he made it up, imagined it, etc. I wasn't there.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Unless this can be corroborated somehow, all we have is Beck's word that it went down the way he says it did. And we know how he likes to play fast and loose with facts and draw inferences that aren't there. So while I do think that FAs have an obligation to provide professional service to customers regardless of their personal opinion of them, one has to consider the source here

I think this is a little bit of a dissappointing comment coming from a respected user such as you. Whether it happened or didn't happen is all that matters. It doesn't matter why ore to whom, does it? Or is it going to become one of "those" threads?

Quoting justlump (Reply 17):
This thread no longer appears to be about AA's treatment of their First Class passengers...It has instead become a charged and divisive political commentary. Many on here rant daily about the erosion of airline service. However, many of those same complainers somehow think it is absolutely acceptable if the victim is one of those "mean, white, Southern conservatives!!!"
This is a forum about AIRLINES and AVIATION. It is not the place to bash those with different political beliefs. I think the Mods should lock or remove this thread.

Exactly. If it happened, the FA should be dealt with in some form or fashion. If it didn't happen, then it should just die a quick death.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
I think this is a little bit of a dissappointing comment coming from a respected user such as you. Whether it happened or didn't happen is all that matters. It doesn't matter why ore to whom, does it?

It certainly does not, as I think I made clear. My point was only that we only have the word of the offended party, and that the offended party is not the most credible of witnesses.

We see this all the time in these sorts of threads about passenger complaints, about how there are two sides to the story. I'm not quite sure why it is that, this time, those who suggest that things might not have happened the way the passenger says they happened have to be accused of seeing things through a political lens.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:01 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
My point was only that we only have the word of the offended party, and that the offended party is not the most credible of witnesses.

And not only that, but as the article said that his wife didn't think they got bad service, which just lends credence to your point.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:24 am

Quoting xjramper (Reply 7):
Interesting that tolerance is preached, yet it cannot be tolerated if it's not your view and needs to be treated like shit otherwise.

That being said, no matter who it is, you never drop your professionalism. If you don't like the guy and can't even fathom the idea that you have to serve him breakfast, then request within your F/As that you switch so you don't have to look at him. It's as simple as this. And if you cannot handle it, then you shouldn't be working where you have to deal with people. Plain and simple.

Not to pick on you, but that post is the perfect starting point for what I'm about to say.


Don't ever, ever, ever trust a media personality whose job it is to stay in the headlines, especially when it involves a political personality accusing someone of politically-motivated mistreatment. This is nothing more than a has-been who is too whacked out for even Fox News to handle trying to keep the spotlight on himself and his business.
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
It certainly does not, as I think I made clear. My point was only that we only have the word of the offended party, and that the offended party is not the most credible of witnesses.

We see this all the time in these sorts of threads about passenger complaints, about how there are two sides to the story. I'm not quite sure why it is that, this time, those who suggest that things might not have happened the way the passenger says they happened have to be accused of seeing things through a political lens.

OF COURSE THERE ARE TWO SIDES. The point is that I'm not saying he should be trusted over the FA, you are saying he shouldn't be trusted. Why is that? It's not me injecting my political views or personal opinions about him onto the situation. What about the FA? Heaven knows there's NEVER been a rude FA before.  
Quoting syncmaster (Reply 20):
And not only that, but as the article said that his wife didn't think they got bad service, which just lends credence to your point.

Actually, I think the fact that he acknowledgest that no one else observed the alleged bad service gives his statements a little bit more credibility. He could have lied or implied or stretched the truth to make it seem like she witnessed it or felt something "off" but he didn't - he puts it as him vs the FA.

Whether it happened or not is a different story. Perhaps the FA was rude to him but not for the reasons Beck indicated. Perhaps he wasn't rude at all. Perhaps Beck is making the whole thing up?

Anyhoo...

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
Whether it happened or didn't happen is all that matters. It doesn't matter why ore to whom, does it?

It is about whether it happened or not, but it is also about who reported it. Given Glenn Beck's difficult relationship with facts and reality, there is a massive burden of proof on his shoulders. If he claims it happened, then it didn't happen unless corroborating witnesses come forward.

It's not a good year for Beck. He's lost his #3 spot in the ratings, he is only #9 in Talkers' Heavy Hundred, and to top it all, he gets lousy service from a flight attendant...
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:35 am

So even by Becks own accord the crew member didnt actually do anything offensive???? He just put an unopened drink down on his table and didnt have a conversation with him? His wife seemed happy enough!

Id almost say Becks problem is that perhaps he was served by a male flight attendant who perhaps may have been gay???? Just a thought!

Thank god we dont really have such vocal idiots like him in Europe!
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:10 am

I hope Beck flys United. Doesn't matter to me if he is far right. He could be far left, still wouldn't matter to me. I just want his money.  


Quoting tonystan (Reply 24):
Thank god we dont really have such vocal idiots like him in Europe!

You live in Europe.   
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 22):
The point is that I'm not saying he should be trusted over the FA, you are saying he shouldn't be trusted. Why is that?

Because Beck is a professional attention whore (unlike the other instances involving passengers who might possibly be attention whores as a hobby). That is the only way he makes money - by getting people to listen to him. And such people are far more likely to bend the truth or otherwise play up their opinions in order to make their case sound more compelling.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Thread starter):
Glenn Beck has been using his radio show to bash AA over an allegedly rude AA F/A from EWR to DFW.

I learned from years of listening to Howard Stern, you never piss off anyone who has a microphone for three hours per day. Even Clinton couldnt compete with Rush Limbaugh in 1993 when Clinton vented on KMOX about his inability compete with Limbaugh.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:16 pm

I spent a few years working at a radio station back where I grew up and one day, my boss (the DJ) told me that we would be having Beck in our studio for a few days (he was on a tour of some sort) and he would be having his show in the three hour slot before ours. I wasn't too keen on hearing this. In fact, I thought it would be the first time I would call out sick in all of my working career.

I'll skip most of the venting I did to the boss, but I will tell you what, I'm glad I didn't call in sick. He is probably one of the most genuine guys I have ever met. A man who grew up with nothing, been through hell a few times and back both career wise as well as personally, and was a proud father (another story).

You see, he wasn't the man that everyone makes him out to be, in fact he was the exact opposite i was expecting. Over dinner that our station took all of us out to, he listened to stories that we told, offered some excellent advice (mainly from personal experience), and he and I had a great conversation about a whole host of things, and half of which we disagreed on. He didn't mock me, didn't try to change my mind, or interrupt me.

On a whole, radio personalities have to be a bit over the top regardless of their catchment size. That being said, I actually believe what he experienced happened, just by actually knowing the human being and not what people generalize him by.

That being said, here is the actual radio transcript directly from his website.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/04/...-ugly-hatred-on-american-airlines/
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:43 pm

I don't understand why it matters to anyone WHO he is. IF true
it simply was unproffessional of the F/A. It's that simple. As a
F/A we put personal feelings aside and treat everyone as a guest.
BTW who delivers a can of soda to a guest unopened anyway? If true.
 
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 23):
It is about whether it happened or not, but it is also about who reported it. Given Glenn Beck's difficult relationship with facts and reality, there is a massive burden of proof on his shoulders.

Have you read some of the FA stories on here before? What about the JetBlue beer-and-emergency-slide guy?

I just think people WANT to throw Beck under the bus rather than think it might actually have taken place. Do I think he needed to do his thing on the air? No. Was he a little over-the-top compared to what I think he could have been? Sure. However, I don't think he was much different than any person I know telling about their bad experience somewhere. People tend to make it a little more over-the-top to make it a better story. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'll leave it at that for me. Not sure why I care anyhow??

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:31 pm

I've listened to Beck's radio show on KGMI in Seattle a couple of times and he is indeed a rabid, far-right attention seeker of the highest order. I endured his rant about AA and I swear he was almost starting to cry - I can just picture the FA at the door smiling and saying "You're welcome" as Beck burbled some sarcastic nonsense in his face. This guy and the entire right-wing radio talk show brigade make my skin crawl. Yech. Mind you, also carrying radio shows by Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and op-ed pieces from Bill "Balanced News" O'Reilly does say quite a bit about the stations political leanings.

I frankly don't really care if he publicly states he'll never fly AA again - I doubt they'll even notice. The day before that he also went on a tirade saying he now hated visiting NYC because he felt a famous BBQ joint his daughter took him to treated right-wing Republicans like dirt. Hmm
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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:32 pm

In an effort to so eagerly spout opinion, many on here mistakenly shoot the messenger as opposed to listening to the actual message.

In the service business, interacting with people from different walks of life, you have no business elevating yourself in importance, opining, discriminating or ANY type of expression of bad feeling when serving folks you don't agree with.

Find another profession that wouldn't expose your weakness of having to air your feelings of self importance all the time.

BTW: did you know most White House kitchen staff serve Presidents with different ideologies? It's amazing, their level of professionality.

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RE: G.Beck: More PR NightmAAres

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:23 pm

Note to mods and others: I posted this as a matter of record involving an airline, not to ignite political debate. The fact is....justified or not, AA/AMR has been hit with allot of bad press lately and in the PR biz perception is everything.
Agreeing with Beck's views or not...he is a major media figure with a loyal following. I really doubt this will evolve into the scope of a Chick-Fil-A (this is not a slow media period with party national conventions) but you never know.