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Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:41 am

Did Braniff ever fly scheduled or MAC flights through HNL with their ex-QF 707-138Bs?
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting jackbr (Thread starter):
Did Braniff ever fly scheduled or MAC flights through HNL with their ex-QF 707-138Bs?

No MAC charters with the 138B's, but they were purchased specifically to be used on the HNL routes. Braniff had a very active military charter contract between Travis AFB and Saigon, via HNL from about 1967 onward, using 707-320's. They received route authority in the Transpacific route case effective 1969 to operate DAL-HNL, ATL-HNL, and IAH-HNL, which were done with 707-320's initially. The 138B's came later and were only used on scheduled routes.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 1):
They received route authority in the Transpacific route case effective 1969 to operate DAL-HNL, ATL-HNL, and IAH-HNL, which were done with 707-320's initially. The 138B's came later and were only used on scheduled routes.

Did Braniff ever fly ATL-HNL or IAH-HNL? I thought they only did DAL-HNL and DAL-ITO.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Did Braniff ever fly ATL-HNL or IAH-HNL?

I don't believe they ever flew from ATL or IAH or MIA or MSY to HNL, despite their timetables showing non-stop flights. They were operated as "direct" flights with a change of guage, as opposed to non-stop flights. I believe the ATL to DAL was operated with a BAC 1-11, then connecting to the 707 in DAL.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/bn7212.htm

It looks like they did fly IAH to HNL non-stop and STL to HNL non-stop:
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/bn6903.htm

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 3):
I don't believe they ever flew from ATL or IAH or MIA or MSY to HNL, despite their timetables showing non-stop flights. They were operated as "direct" flights with a change of guage, as opposed to non-stop flights. I believe the ATL to DAL was operated with a BAC 1-11, then connecting to the 707 in DAL.

In the beginning they did do non-stop from ATL with a -320 but when the loads didn't pan-out they switched to a one-stop at DAL. Even after they did that you would still see their -320 over at the gate in ATL. Late in the '70's you would see an -8 then I think towards the "end" they might have switched to 722's for the ATL-DFW portion. I'm not saying they never ops a 111 through ATL, just that I never saw one in that era   .
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 4):
In the beginning they did do non-stop from ATL with a -320

You are correct. I just found the B-Liner company newsletter from July 1969 which announced September 1, 1969 non-stop service from ATL to HNL.
As a side note, the first Braniff service to Hawaii actually didn't start until August 14, 1969, despite the April 14, 1969 date in the Braniff schedule. The CAB delayed the decision on the Transpacific Case, which delayed Braniff's route approval.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:51 pm

During what timeframe did they serve IAH-HNL? Did Big Orange ever fly the route?
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 6):
During what timeframe did they serve IAH-HNL?

They started 3x week service from IAH to HNL on September 1, 1969 with the 707-320. Not sure when it ended.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 6):
Did Big Orange ever fly the route?

Don't believe so. I believe the 747 was only used from DAL, then eventually DFW to HNL route. The STL, IAH, ATL routes non-stop to HNL from 1969 into the 1970s never used the 747 as far as I know.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 7):
ATL routes non-stop to HNL from 1969 into the 1970s never used the 747 as far as I know.

Yes, and the more I thought about it I seem to recall the flights out of ATL that X in Dallas were timed to X with the "Big Orange". They would advertise the 747 service from ATL and then you would read the fine-print and it would disclose the plane-change en-route.
Considering that in those days you could do NW out of ATL to HNL with a plane-change in ORD I guess BN figured the mere mention of the magical "747" would be enough to sway the traveling public over to them----at least as far as ATL was concerned.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 4):
I'm not saying they never ops a 111 through ATL, just that I never saw one in that era

On the following Braniff Facebook site there is a photo of a Braniff green 1-11 at Atlanta posted on FB on May 22.

Cynthia Farquhar made the following comment regarding the photo:
"Yes, my training flight was on the BAC 111 from Dallas to Atlanta. It was the continuation flight from Honolulu. Tickets were issued from Atl-Hnl round trip (or Hnl-Atl) I remember talking to passengers (I was new and still in training) and found it quite interesting that all the passengers either started in HNL going to ATL or vice versa. "

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 7):
I believe the 747 was only used from DAL, then eventually DFW to HNL route.

In commenting on my own quote...
I was lucky to have flown as a Braniff non-rev on both the 707-320 and the 747 from DAL (Love Field) non-stop to HNL, and also the 747 from DFW to HNL.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:24 pm

Looks like BN claimed a daily 707-138B DAL-HNL along with the daily -320B

http://w.airliners.net/aviation-foru...general_aviation/read.main/4685769
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 9):
there is a photo of a Braniff green 1-11 at Atlanta

Funny, I just don't ever remember a time that they were regular visitors to ATL at all.l. Well, you know what they say about the mind going------------although, I do remember the 340's like yesterday!
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:08 pm

According to George Cearley's Braniff 1965-1986, the -138Bs were used briefly to HNL in 1969, on Flight 501, routed MIA-MSY-DAL-HNL daily, continuing to ITO 3x week.

The -138B was used on BN 501 beginning in Oct 1969. Cearley does not say when the -138Bs were withdrawn from DAL-HNL, but at the back of the book, he lists all -138B flights as of Sep 15, 1970, and HNL is not served by any of them.

In case anyone is interested, as of 15 Sep 1970, the four -138Bs were used on:

Day 1:
BN 79 DAL-MSY-TPA-MIA
BN 66, MIA-DAL-DEN
BN 67, DEN-DAL-TPA-MIA

Day 2:
BN 132, MIA-TPA-MSY-DAL-MSP
BN 133, MSP-DAL-IAH
BN 190, IAH-DAL

Day 3:
BN 62, DAL-DEN
BN 63, DEN-DAL-MIA
BN 78, MIA-TPA-DAL-DEN

Day 4:
BN 77, DEN-DAL-MIA
BN 74, MIA-DAL-DEN
BN 173, DEN-DAL
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:48 pm

It is interesting to note that actor John Travolta's B707-138B was a former BI aircraft.

When I started flying for BI in 1974 "Fat Albert" flew the route daily,back and forth. About once a year it would be pulled out for heavy maintenance and flown to TUL where American did the main checks and during those periods DFW-HNL was flown by the DC-8-62 and occasionally with a DC-8-51. The -51's were primarily used for charters and all 4 had been purchased from National in 1973-74 and seated 150 pax.

In the late 70's BI bought more used DC-8-62's--one from SAS and two from Alitalia. Two more DC-8-51's were leased from DL and used domestically. I remember working one from DFW-DEN. One of the DC8-62's operated for a time from MSP-DFW-MEX and back. The former SAS aircraft N810BN (or was it N801BN???) is presently used by NASA.

In 1971 I flew on a MAC B707-327 flight from Travis-HNL-GUM-Clark AB for Jungle Survival School while a member of the US Air Force. I remember it was a dark green and from that point on I wanted to work for Braniff. By 1971 BI was already slowly selling off the -320's and had replaced them with the DC-8-62's. There was less and less MAC work contracts available and the 707 became redundant. The DC-8's had better performance at high hot airports like GYE and UIO. I THINK Guayaquile's code is GYE.....can't remember.

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 14):
It is interesting to note that actor John Travolta's B707-138B was a former BI aircraft.

Some history of that 707 in this very detailed site covering all QF 707s. See the 1969 to 1973 entries re it's time at Braniff. It was the last -138B delivered to QF. Spent a little less than 5 years with QF. All 13 of their -138Bs were disposed of between 1967 and 1969, replaced by the more capable -338C.
http://www.adastron.com/707/qantas/VH-EBM.htm
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs To HNL?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:16 am

I remember a period during my childhood in TPA that Flight 501 operated by a 707-320 did operate MIA-TPA-MSY-DAL-HNL specifically so they market direct Hawaii service from MIA, TPA, and MSY, think it was either 1969, 1970 or both.

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