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Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:18 pm

Does anyone have a side by side comparison shot of these two beauties? And while at it, any A380 and 748i shots.

I've seen each one up close at different times but can't really fathom the comparative size differences.

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:35 pm

Somebody did a comparison shot of two Cargolux birds - LX-SCV (747-400) and LX-VCD (747-8F) at about the same distance and angle.

http://www.socialwelfareagency.org/Public/Graphics/Aviation/744F_748F.jpg
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:40 pm

This doesn't show a side-by-side comparison but you can see the fuselage inserts that resulted in the 747-8. Wingspan is also about 13 ft. greater than the 744.

 
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:00 pm

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Quoting horstroad (Reply 3):

Thanks for sharing the comparison shots... The Queen of Skies is so sleek...

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:01 pm

Gentlemen, I tell you this: The Boeing 747 is the only aircraft that's worth flying.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 5):

Umm excuse me but have you forgotten the glorious sistership B77W... 

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 5):
Gentlemen, I tell you this: The Boeing 747 is the only aircraft that's worth flying.

When it comes to flying on it, the 747 is one of my least favorite planes. I just find the nose too claustrophobic and the upper deck too warm. I much prefer the 777 or A380.

[Edited 2012-09-07 16:12:42]
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:14 pm

Beautiful !!!! More gorgeous than ever.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
I much prefer the 777 or A380.

Very well said 

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 6):
Umm excuse me but have you forgotten the glorious sistership B77W...

No way! But the 747 made me willing to become a pilot some day. So even though sistership B77W is a much loved aircraft, my 747 will always stay my heart plane  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
When it comes to flying on it, the 747 is one of my least favorite planes. I just find the nose too claustrophobic and the upper deck too warm. I much prefer the 777 or A380.

Pax matter isn't taken into account here   To me, once you've seen a 747 behave, you've understood all what an aircraft must be.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:34 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 10):
No way! But the 747 made me willing to become a pilot some day.

Just Do It...

I have taken a few flying lessons but have not continued as it's simply to expensive to continue... Aviation will always be a part of me...

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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Just Do It...

I have taken a few flying lessons but have not continued as it's simply to expensive to continue... Aviation will always be a part of me...

I have done it actually ! I've been a professional pilot for 8 years now... But the B747 is still my favorite and keeps a special place in my heart. I wish I could fly it some day, really.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
When it comes to flying on it, the 747 is one of my least favorite planes. I just find the nose too claustrophobic and the upper deck too warm. I much prefer the 777 or A380.

In my opinion, the nose cabin of the 747 is by far the best place to fly on any current airliner. Nothing can match it for exclusivity. It's also quieter than the upper deck. Not sure what you mean by "too warm". I've been on quite a few 747s in the upper deck and never noticed that. In terms of sound level, I have always considered the 747 quieter than the 777. In fact, I find the 777 slightly louder than most other widebodies, although most people probably wouldn't notice much difference.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting africawings (Thread starter):
Does anyone have a side by side comparison shot of these two beauties?
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting airproxx (Reply 10):
No way! But the 747 made me willing to become a pilot some day. So even though sistership B77W is a much loved aircraft, my 747 will always stay my heart plane

My childhood dream was to become an Aer Lingus B747 pilot but alas it was never meant to be. Apart from being too expensive, Aer Lingus no longer operate the B747 so I have had to content myself with being a structural engineer but part of me still always wants to be a pilot.

Whenever a B747 thread comes up, it is always amazing how much sentiment that so many people have to this aircraft. There simply is no other airplane either past or present that stirs such emotion among so many aiviation enthusiasts.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Somebody did a comparison shot of two Cargolux birds - LX-SCV (747-400) and LX-VCD (747-8F) at about the same distance and angle.

And that somebody was NickN and his original image (in various sizes) may be found at http://www.flickr.com/photos/27044274@N06/6854370658/sizes/l/
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting CM (Reply 14):

Really, the A380 was a study in form follows function. The 747 achieved both.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:09 am

748 is a beauty, finally saw my first pax version this week and saw the F version a bunch of times around SoCal in the past year.

Warmth is really up to the airline in question, can't really blame the airframe for a crew that overheats the plane (a pet peeve of mine, when I sleep in a warm plane, I get a nasty nasty headache, much like a hangover sans the alcohol)

Will the expected A389 be longer than the 748I?
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:37 am

Amazingly beautiful planes both. But now that I see them side-by-side, the classic one has somehow more "right" proportions. IMHO, of course. Others see it?
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:13 am

Both 747-400, 747-8 and A380 look awful. These are the ugliest passenger jetliners ever made.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:24 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 20):
Both 747-400, 747-8 and A380 look awful. These are the ugliest passenger jetliners ever made.

Wow, are you really an A.netter ?! The Boeing 747, really ?!?!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting timpdx (Reply 18):
Will the expected A389 be longer than the 748I?

The Airbus 380 900 is said to be: 79.4–73 m or 260–240 ft long

while the Boeing 747 8 is: 250 ft 2 in (76.25 m) long
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:31 am

Agree with AirlineCritic. The 8i looks pulled kind of like taffy candy.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:55 am

Nothing like the Queen of the skies, the boring twin 777, like all the other boring twins doesn't even compare.


The 747 has personality, it captures the imagination and still makes flying an exciting proposition, for Pilots and passenger alike
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:06 am

This is a good comparison:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7260732196_40fdd5eb8e_b.jpg
Boeing 747-400 vs 747-8I by C.A.G. Photography - (llama1910), on Flickr
..if you go to the flickr page it highlights some of the visual differences between the -400 and the -800.

[Edited 2012-09-08 01:07:58]
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 19):

Amazingly beautiful planes both. But now that I see them side-by-side, the classic one has somehow more "right" proportions. IMHO, of course. Others see it?

The Boeing 747 400 is deffinetly the best looking of the two 747's.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:35 am

Quoting airproxx (Reply 12):
I have done it actually ! I've been a professional pilot

Same here. The 747 also was the inspiration for me. At the age of 5, I could tell the difference between a -200 and a -400  
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 26):
The Boeing 747 400 is deffinetly the best looking of the two 747's.

If only it had something a bit closer to winglets.. then it would be perfect, IMO.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:39 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 20):
Both 747-400, 747-8 and A380 look awful. These are the ugliest passenger jetliners ever made.

You should see your eye doctor. I wonder what you think about ungainly disproportioned overstretched things like the 77W.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 26):
The Boeing 747 400 is deffinetly the best looking of the two 747's.

I agree. I miss winglets on the 748. And its slightly too long to be perfect. The 744 got everything right.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:56 am

Quoting na (Reply 28):
And its slightly too long to be perfect

Yes they have stretched it to much. The proportians is just not right. Seems like they have done a quicky and just slapped on some adittional sections and not thoguht about the overall look ...
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:12 am

Well, any chance of Ryanair purchasing 707s? I'm sure they've asked at AMARG one time or another...

But the 747 remains to be the iconic airliner. When I think of my father's past travels, I can't imagine him not taking a 747.



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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:10 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 15):
Whenever a B747 thread comes up, it is always amazing how much sentiment that so many people have to this aircraft. There simply is no other airplane either past or present that stirs such emotion among so many aiviation enthusiasts.

Agreed. No other aircraft does that, and I doubt we'll see that much enthusiasm for another plane some day soon...

Quoting VC10er (Reply 17):

Really, the A380 was a study in form follows function. The 747 achieved both.

Best comparison I've read so far. I think the B747 has this "human" part in its design the A380 has not... Making it big AND beautiful.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:19 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 15):
Whenever a B747 thread comes up, it is always amazing how much sentiment that so many people have to this aircraft. There simply is no other airplane either past or present that stirs such emotion among so many aiviation enthusiasts.

  

It's an icon in the commercial aviation world. As far as I'm concerned, the 747 is, and always will be, the Queen of the Skies. For many, it is the aircraft that brought the world closer together with excellent seat costs (compared to what was available at the time) bringing fares closer, range to fly across the oceans non-stop, and a high cruise velocity that brought travelling times down. I think most, if not all of us, have flown on a 747 at one point or another.

I hope one day I can get the opportunity to fly on the 747-8.

Quoting na (Reply 28):
You should see your eye doctor. I wonder what you think about ungainly disproportioned overstretched things like the 77W.

The 77W is way, way better looking than the A380.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting horstroad (Reply 3):
pax version

Awesome pics! Headed on the LH748i on Thurs IAD>FRA. Can't wait!
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:14 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 32):
The 77W is way, way better looking than the A380.

I think it's hard to find amongst the nowadays modern jetliners something more ugly than the A380....  
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 27):
Same here. The 747 also was the inspiration for me. At the age of 5, I could tell the difference between a -200 and a -400

Nice! I couldn't do that until I was 12.  Wow!
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 26):
The Boeing 747 400 is deffinetly the best looking of the two 747's.

I think the -800 looks the best. All the other 747s have fan diameters that, proportionally, just look too small. The 800 gets it just right IMO.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting na (Reply 28):
I agree. I miss winglets on the 748. And its slightly too long to be perfect. The 744 got everything right.

I must admit that I do like the longet fuselage but yeah, the lack of winglets does take a bit from the looks compared to the B744. Still though, those raked wingtips and the new engines do spruce her up a bit and makes her look just a litttle bit more modern. I think the changes in appearance helps blend the oldest commercial aircraft still in production (i.e. B748) with the newest commercial aircraft in production (i.e. B787). In my opinion, the B747 has aged like a fine wine. I just hope a few more airlines order her because the B748 is almost certainly to be the end of the road for the B747 and probably the last ever quad produced by Boeing.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 34):
I think it's hard to find amongst the nowadays modern jetliners something more ugly than the A380....

The A380 really isn't a looker. Not compared to the B747 nor will it achieve the same iconic status. However, you can't but be in awe of its sheer size. Best looking Airbus for me is the A340-600 hands down.
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:18 pm

For me, the 744 is more proportionally perfect and pleasing to the eye. IMO the most beautiful plane flying today.
I've flown on pretty much everything out there and I'm still in awe of aviation and still get excited every time I get on a plane. But flying on a 747 for some reason always seems a little more special and a little more exciting.

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Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:21 pm

Just a personal observation, but the lack of the winglets on the -8 adds to its sleek appearance. Like some others, I believe the -8 is the best looking of the 747s There was a time when I didn't like the stretched upper deck, but I got used to it and now it looks natural and right.
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Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:57 pm

I have too got used to the longer more slender 748, the bigger engines give it a more powerful look. I had the same dislike for the 787 nose in the start, but now I really like it and it makes all blunt nosed airframes look ugly. That Comet/Caravelle nose is very nice IMO. But the wings of the 787 complete the picture, very beautiful and impressive.

Things move slowly in aviation that is why the 787 is such a huge leap forward IMO, in many ways.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:08 pm

I got to fly the newest Queen from IAD to FRA and back a total of four times between early July and late August. The "dash 8" offers the most comfortable transatlantic flying experience I have ever had. The AC is quiet, cabin humidity is noticeably improved, and the new DLH economy seat is MUCH improved over previous generations. From what I read in Lufthansa Magazin, the 747-8 also has the fastest cruising speed of their fleet, edging out the A340-600 and A380. No surprise then that we passed a Air Canada 777 over the Atlantic!

I have had the experience of flying in every DLH AC except the A380. My previous transatlantic preference was the 777 in United E+. But of course Lufthansa service in Economy destroys anything that UAL offers.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 34):
I think it's hard to find amongst the nowadays modern jetliners something more ugly than the A380....

This thread is comparing 744 with 748. Why do we need to drag A380 into the discussion and bash it?
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting afterburner (Reply 41):
This thread is comparing 744 with 748. Why do we need to drag A380 into the discussion and bash it?

Peeeace, bro.

The Myasishchev VM-T passenger variant would be really ugly. 


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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:07 pm

Awesome post guys, thanks for sharing your images and memories. The planes are truly amazing.

However, lets not close the thread till we have a coupe of shots of these two aircraft literally sitting side by side at some airport.

Now that would be truly epic  
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:11 pm

Despite the fact that 747s have been the same length for 40 odd years until now (SP excluded), now that I see pictures of the 748 (I am yet to witness the splendour in the metal, sadly), suddenly the 744 and others look a bit stubby to me and the 748 looks like it has the right proportions!
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting africawings (Reply 43):
However, lets not close the thread till we have a coupe of shots of these two aircraft literally sitting side by side at some airport.

Now that would be truly epic

That's what I thought... We need that kind of picture.

About the 744 vs 748 comparison, I saw both of them some days ago in FRA. And I was thinking that the 400 version has a more "massive" look than the -8 version... I don't know why but the 400 has a huge wing drop while on ground with a lot of fuel, when the -8 version seems to have a more "rigid" wing... The wing flex of the -8 version is by the why a little bit exagerated on drawings...
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:48 pm

Sorry guys. The A340-500 is by far the best looking passenger jet currently flying   
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 46):
The A340-500 is by far the best looking passenger jet currently flying.

No argument there, but as others have noted, this thread is about the 747-400 and 747-8, so we should not be bringing Airbus products into the discussion, be it in a positive or negative way.
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 35):
Nice! I couldn't do that until I was 12.

I flew with LH on their 744 on my first 747 flight back then from Frankfurt to Mexico City. It must have been almost brand new in their fleet at the time and I guess that is why it interested me. I wanted to fly on the 744 instead of the smaller 742 and I remember being excited about flying on the 744 which was rare at the time I guess  
 
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RE: Visual Of The 744 And 748i Side By Side

Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 42):
The Myasishchev VM-T passenger variant would be really ugly.

Ugliness, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.
It looks ungainly and quirky but some still prefer it over bald and stubby.
Btw, its a strategic airlifter developed from a heavy bomber, not a pax liner.

Brief hijack over. Back to thread topic.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 36):
the lack of winglets does take a bit from the looks compared to the B744.

Viewed head on, the curves of the raked wingtips of the 748 certainly look more graceful than the more angular winglets.
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