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Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:07 pm

Say from 2000, did CO operate any P2P routes in the lower 48? I remember NW didnt have any and then they started some around 2003 or so from IND and then GRR and then there was always a focus on MKE. But in CO's case, I don't remember any. Basically, I'm talking about mainline, but if there were any regional routes, please include.




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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:18 pm

I don't know of any mainline P2P routes, but there were ~9 destinations operated by 3M as Continental Connection out of FLL (mostly serving the Bahamas) with B1900Ds - an interesting little focus city operation!
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:25 pm

Didn't they fly 738s to Hawaii from LAX?
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
Didn't they fly 738s to Hawaii from LAX?

See below:

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
in the lower 48?
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:30 pm

If my memory serves me, CO flew LAX-SAT in the mid 90's.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):


Quoting LOWS,reply 2:

Didn't they fly 738s to Hawaii from LAX?

See below:

Quoting 727LOVER,thread starter:

in the lower 48?

This would still be a P2P in the lower 48 because CO, which lacked a hub or focus operation at LAX, would've been flying out of a non-hub to a non-hub.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:37 pm

For a while (June-December 2009), Continental had a few weekly ERJ-145s on GPT-JAX and GPT-TPA (3x/week for each) that was on ExpressJet.

Continental was also starting a mini-focus city at LaGuardia right before September 11, with flights to BUF (mix of ERJ-135/145, 4x/day), GRR (2x ERJ-135/day), FLL (2x/day 737), MCO (2x/day 737), MSN (2x/day ERJ-135) and RIC (4x/day mix of 135/145), in addition to the IAH and CLE flying. Initial ramp up started in the Fall of 2000, with a second round of cities in February 2001, then 9/11 caused CO to pull these flights.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 4):
If my memory serves me, CO flew LAX-SAT in the mid 90's.

This stuck around until very early January 2002.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:40 pm

As others have said, they had some Florida routes. I did DL, NW, and CO's timetables for flight sim years ago (manually like a noob) so I have a pretty good idea of non-hub flights. You said lower 48 so I won't really mention the CO Micronesia routes or Hawaii routes. There may have been some LAX or JFK flights, but I'm not really sure. Doubt JFK since they had EWR
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:43 pm

They operated McAllen, TX to Mexico City (MFE-MEX) in the 2000s.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:27 pm

CO had a Sat only LGA-AUA route as well. Not completely in the lower 48, but one end of the route was.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:09 pm

There's also the SEA - ANC pairings.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:17 pm

What about the RDU-CUN flying?
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:24 pm

LGA AUA on Saturday

LGA MCO and FLL in the early 2000s for a few months!
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 5):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):


Quoting LOWS,reply 2:

Didn't they fly 738s to Hawaii from LAX?

See below:

Quoting 727LOVER,thread starter:

in the lower 48?

This would still be a P2P in the lower 48 because CO, which lacked a hub or focus operation at LAX, would've been flying out of a non-hub to a non-hub.

No it wouldn't, since Hawaii is not in 'the lower 48'. If lower 49, then yes  
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 11):
There's also the SEA - ANC pairings.

Poster precluded this route by saying 'in lower 48.'
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 14):

Poster precluded this route by saying 'in lower 48.'

Poster did not specifically state in the 48 contiguous United States of America. He/she just said "lower 48." Maybe this is confusing. Especially for those in Hawaii which is South and West of the 48 contiguous United States, making the lower 48 the upper 48.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:08 pm

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:21 pm

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 9):
They operated McAllen, TX to Mexico City (MFE-MEX) in the 2000s.

As well as LRD and SAT to MEX for a time. But I guess that isn't completely lower 48.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 9):

They operated McAllen, TX to Mexico City (MFE-MEX) in the 2000s.

That went waaaay back to the Texas International days IIRC
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
Didn't they fly 738s to Hawaii from LAX?

CO flew B747 LAX-HNL in 1972 and 1973 with the DC-10 taking over after that.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:49 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 15):
making the lower 48 the upper 48.

They call it 'the Mainland'.........

I wonder these days of all (or the remaining) legacy airlines , who, if any, offer mainline P2P routes?
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:03 am

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:05 am

The old CO 1973 I flew nonstop SFO-ABQ on a 727. I recall paying a bit extra for meal service.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:39 am

Didn't CO operate some LAX to Mexico Red eyes with E145s and 735s withing the past 5 years?
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:41 am

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 19):

The route was restarted in the mid 2000s.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 21):
I wonder these days of all (or the remaining) legacy airlines , who, if any, offer mainline P2P routes?

If you're talking lower 48 you have;
DL: PHL-LAX and MIA-LAX and I think thats it..
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 26):
If you're talking lower 48 you have;
DL: PHL-LAX and MIA-LAX and I think thats it..

RDU-LAX

But doesn't DL consider LAX a "hub", or at least a focus city?
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:21 am

CO P2P Routes to my memory in the past 5years
LGA-AUA
LAX-HNL
SEA-ANC
PDX-ANC
RDU-CUN
SAT-CUN
AUS-CUN
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:31 am

Remember back in '87 or '88, a 727-200 MCI-OMA-MCI with Continental. That was like a rocket assisted takeoff. Can not remember if when Continental bought People's Express and Frontier, that some Frontier P2P routes were kept for a while.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 21):

I wonder these days of all (or the remaining) legacy airlines , who, if any, offer mainline P2P routes?
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 26):
If you're talking lower 48 you have;
DL: PHL-LAX and MIA-LAX and I think thats it..

Pretty much all of them still do to an extent (not necessarily L48, but still):

American has FLL-PAP (737-800), BOS-LHR (757-200), BOS-CDG (seasonal 757-200), CCS-SJU (737-800), LHR-RDU (767-300).

United has SEA-ANC (mix of 737s), AUS-CUN (seasonal 737-700) and NRT-SEA (777-200).

US Airways has BOS-LGA (Embraer 190s) and seasonal BOS-CUN/MBJ/PLS/PUJ (A319 and A320 mix).

Delta has BOS-BDA (737-800), BOS-LHR (767-400), BOS-MCO (mix), LAS-MCO (A320 I think) and a bunch of US to CUN as seasonal Saturdays. (I am including LAX as a Delta hub/focus city...)
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:18 am

Back in the early 80's flew CO between PNS and MSY. I don't know if that counts because the flight always continued on to IAH. They flew both 727-100's and -200's.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:23 am

I think most have been covered here. CO had tried different routes to MEX over the years.

During the DEN hub they flew DEN-ELP-MEX. But that was pre2000

Off an on they flew to MEX from other cities like SAT and SAN and McAllen.

I also think CO did LAX-MSY.

And in the not so distant past CO tried SNA to HNL/OGG. I know it's not lower 48, but SNA is.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Say from 2000, did CO operate any P2P routes in the lower 48?

Not so much after 2000, but in the early-mid '90s they had focus cities in SAT, MDW, MSY, and GSO ("CAL Lite"). Perhaps others, too, I can't recall.

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 4):
If my memory serves me, CO flew LAX-SAT in the mid 90's.

Yes they did.

The CO timetable from 30 Oct 1994, courtesy of the wonderful departedflights.com shows the following routes; I've included the approximate number per day, nonstops only -- and the VAST majority of the flights below are mainline DC9, 727, and 737.

SAT

IAH 16X
LAS 1X
LAX 2X
MEX 1X
MSY 3X


MDW

CLE 5X
DAY 4X
DEN 5X
EWR 3X
GSO 5X
GSP 2X
IAH 3X
LAS 1X
MSY 2X
OMA 4X


MSY

EWR 3X
GSP 3X
IAH 20X
LAX 1X
LIT 4X
MCO 5X
MDW 2X
PNS 5X
SAT 3X
SHV 5X
TPA 6X


GSO

ATL 7X
BOS 2X
BWI 7X
CHS 3X
CLE 5X
DAY 3X
EWR 6X
GSP 5X
IAH 2X
JAX 2X
MCO 6X
MDW 5X
MIA 4X
LGA 5X
ORF 4X
PHL 4X
RIC 5X
TPA 6X


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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:45 am

SNA-HNL, SNA-OGG, SNA-TUS-IAH?
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:48 am

CO "West" flew SJC-SEA, SJC-PDX, SJC-LAX (Hourly), SJC-SAN (I think)... I still have the time table SJC-SEA/PDX/LAX
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:17 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 30):
Delta has BOS-BDA (737-800), BOS-LHR (767-400), BOS-MCO (mix), LAS-MCO (A320 I think) and a bunch of US to CUN as seasonal Saturdays. (I am including LAX as a Delta hub/focus city...)

Add PHL-CDG (757-200 equipment)

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 30):
American has FLL-PAP (737-800), BOS-LHR (757-200), BOS-CDG (seasonal 757-200), CCS-SJU (737-800), LHR-RDU (767-300).

Wow AA downgraded BOS-LHR all the way to a 757?! Used to be a triple! Seemed to have good loads, including premium, historically.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting RogerThat (Reply 20):
CO flew B747 LAX-HNL in 1972 and 1973

CO 747's were flown in the 90's between LAX and HNL, CO 747's have been on again off again visitors to HNL.

Quoting COalways (Reply 28):
LAX-HNL

CO also flew SFO-HNL, been on a CO Mike DC-10-10 (With the last livery) SFO-HNL-SFO

Quoting COalways (Reply 28):
PDX-ANC

I know in the 80's CO/AS did an interchange flight via PDX, but I never heard of CO PDX-ANC, TW did PDX-ANC though.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 32):
And in the not so distant past CO tried SNA to HNL/OGG. I know it's not lower 48, but SNA is

In the far away times, CO flew 707's and then DC-10's PDX-SEA-HNL-PDX.....I flew CO 72S SAN-ONT once in 82.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:56 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 37):
CO also flew SFO-HNL, been on a CO Mike DC-10-10 (With the last livery) SFO-HNL-SFO

With the Pub!! Oh, boy.

Back in 1984, when I was in college, I took a Continental flight from AUS to SFO, nonstop on a DC10. It left early in the morning, like 6am. That plane probably continued on from SFO to HNL.

My actual destination was DEN, and I took the red-eye there from San Francisco, after hanging out in the City all day.

When did CO end SFO-HNL service, anyway? Sometime around 9/11?


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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:18 am

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 38):
With the Pub!! Oh, boy.

I wish, this was mid 90's when I flew them taking advantage of the fabulous 50's program CO had for travel agents, $50.00 a direction for positive space passes, but the real odd booking code was hard to find, we lucked out getting them to Hawaii even though we were coming from PDX, I just used some global passports we had lying around the office to fly UA PDX-SFO, back in the days being a travel agent meant something and we could get freebies and AD90's AD100's.

A few bad agents ruined it for everyone eventually, and benefits to legit agents who sold a goodly amount of travel lost their commissions, then freebies and discounts dried up, the CO fab 50's program lasted longer than most, and still one of the best flights to the Islands I've had in Y.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 38):
When did CO end SFO-HNL service, anyway? Sometime around 9/11?

Not even that long, IIRC.

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting lrgt (Reply 36):
Add PHL-CDG (757-200 equipment)

I was considering CDG (along with AMS/NRT) as Delta "hubs" - mostly due to the JV with AFKL.

No JV, and you wouldn't see Delta flying PHL-CDG (or PIT-CDG or ORD-CDG seasonally).
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:49 pm

There were some tag flights

EWR-CMH-IND , LAX-SAT-HOU , LAX-SAN-MEX , but it was more to move the Aircraft not really P2P
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:33 pm

While I was living in ELP late 80s to Mid 90s CO had flights that went IAH-ELP-TUS, ELP-ABQ-DEN, and IAH-MAF-ELP-IAH, now granted those were off a Hub, the leg between ELP and the other cities was sold as P2P. There was also a flight that went EWR-JAX-PNS-IAH. In the mid 80s CO had MCO-MSY, and TPA-MSY flights.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 33):

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Say from 2000, did CO operate any P2P routes in the lower 48?

Not so much after 2000, but in the early-mid '90s they had focus cities in SAT, MDW, MSY, and GSO ("CAL Lite"). Perhaps others, too, I can't recall.

I was waiting to see if someone would bring up the CALlite service. There was P2P service all over the Southeast. I know GSO was a focus city but the service went beyond the first spoke from GSO.

Also Take a look at http://www.departedflights.com/CO030183.html post TI merger. CO inherited a host of P2P routes. MAF-ELP-TUS,DFW-MKE, SAT-MAF,SAT-AMA, LIT-TUL,CRP-LRD. And more.

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:29 pm

GSO is not a P2P city... it WAS the CO Lite hub! so nothing really from GSO counts...
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting mkh32404 (Reply 31):

Back in the early 80's flew CO between PNS and MSY. I don't know if that counts because the flight always continued on to IAH. They flew both 727-100's and -200's

Up until about 2002, CO flew PNS-JAX. However, this route was simply a tag...part of an IAH-PNS-JAX-EWR routing. It was mainline though usually 733 or 735.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:55 pm

I know someone said to exclude Hawaii, but CO operated Honolulu-Nagoya with a daily 764 for a few years.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:18 pm

I think a lot of the P2P listed in the early 90's was when Continental tried Continental Lite, an airline within an airline concept that didn't have meals service, first class, and used mostly DC-9's, MD-80's and some 737's. Continental Lite focused mainly on the South & Southeast. They were trying to hold Southwest's expansion back. It was a disaster and the entire Lite operation was scrapped.
 
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 30):
Delta has BOS-BDA (737-800)
Many moons ago that flight originated in BDL and used a L-1011. You could buy tickets for the BDL-BOS leg, a flight of maybe 30 minutes on a widebody.
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RE: Did CO Have Any P2P Routes?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 21):
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 26):

DL operates extensive P2P flying. IND-RDU, RDU-CMH, IND-CMH, CMH-BOS and the list goes on and on.
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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos