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Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:58 pm

Good Day All.

Pan Am started flying the 747F to SIN in the late '70s, and subsequently replaced the 707s with 747SP.

When I first arrived at SIN as a 10 year old in Summer 1971, I seem to recall there was a Pan Am 747 parked there. I never saw one after that, only 707s.

My Q is: If I remembered correctly, and I did in fact see a PA 747, when did they start serving SIN and for how long?

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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:19 pm

The last 1980's timetable has Singapore as an extension of the SFO-HKG 747SP flight.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:21 pm

Yes absolutely Pan Am operated 747s to Singapore.

PA21/22 with the 747s operated LAX-NRT-HKG-SIN for the longest period. At times they would downgauge the HKG-SIN leg to 747SP which came in from SFO-HKG.
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:34 pm

Thanks for that, but I'm talking early '70s. I believe I saw one in summer 1971.

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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:28 pm

Don't have an early 1970s timetable, but in 1978 it shows SIN-HKG-NRT-SFO on a 747 - 4x weekly.
Also a 747 Freighter 1x weekly SIN-NRT-SFO-ORD-JFK.

1980 timetable has daily 747SP SIN-HKG-SFO-JFK

1982 timetable has daily 747 SIN-HKG-NRT-LAX
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:41 pm

Pan Am had no scheduled service (passenger or cargo) according to their April 1973 timetable. By April 1979 they had 4 747SPs a week that operated SIN-HKG-SFO and one weekly 747F freighter SIN-NRT-SFO-ORD-JFK. So their scheduled service to SIN seems to have started sometime between 1973 and 1979.

If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.

WHY ? PA flew to Vietnam at the time and had decades of operations to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Manila at the time. Bali was also flown. A 707 crashed there in the early 1970's at some point, the story is a chapter in the "SkyGods" book.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.

WHY ? PA flew to Vietnam at the time and had decades of operations to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Manila at the time.

Charters can be for many reasons, for example corporate incentive groups etc. I was commenting on why a PA aircraft may have been seen at SIN during a period when they had no scheduled service to SIN.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:50 am

Pan Am's annual reports show SIN service as far back as the 1940s. Pan Am flew SIN-SGN, connecting to Pan Am's round the world flights in Saigon. The SGN-SIN route was extended to Jakarta, and eventually Sydney, by the late 1960s.

Viscount724, you're right, PA did not fly to SIN in 1973 - perhaps SIN was temporarily suspended sometime in the early 1970s.

As of 31 Oct 1976, PA served SIN 3x week with a 707 SIN-GUM flight, connecting to a 747 GUM-HNL-SFO.
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:21 am

December 1975 PA timetable has SIN served by 707 from/to GUM. Flight 841/842. Freight only flight 875 was also 707 (weekly) this flight was via Tokyo and Bangkok.
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
Viscount724, you're right, PA did not fly to SIN in 1973 - perhaps SIN was temporarily suspended sometime in the early 1970s.

Interesting! I have the S'pore Civil Aviation Authority Annual Reports for 1972 and '73 - both state Pan Am 707s as being scheduled visitors during those years. Apparently in both years PA 878 came in twice a week and departed an hour later, origin/dest'n not shown. That's the only flight number shown in the weekly record of schedules, so either they've missed out the return flight or it was a triangular route.

However, drifting off topic now, and I certainly defer to the PA timetables as more reliable records!

I guess that if I did in fact see a PA 747 it was a one-off.

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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting musang (Thread starter):
When I first arrived at SIN as a 10 year old in Summer 1971, I seem to recall there was a Pan Am 747 parked there. I never saw one after that, only 707s.

My Q is: If I remembered correctly, and I did in fact see a PA 747, when did they start serving SIN and for how long?
Quoting musang (Reply 10):
I guess that if I did in fact see a PA 747 it was a one-off.

Yes sir, you did see a PA 747 in SIN early 1971, as did I. (I was serving with the Australian Armed Forces in Singapore at the time). I remember vividly it arriving at the old PAYA LEBAR (hope I got the spelling right) airport, there was quite a crowd of locals and americans there to witness the arrival. I am unable to recall the date however. I do have some PA timetables around that era (late 70 early 71) however I cant lay my hands on them at the moment. My vague recollection was that it flew in straight from GUAM, then just after it was routed via SAIGON, so whether the first flight was a proving flight I am not sure. I do know that due to very poor loads, it ceased some months after that.
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:15 pm

Pan Am also operated R&R flights to Singapore from Cam Rahn Bay, Danang and Saigon during the Vietnam war as this timetable suggest

http://www.timetableimages.com/i-or/pa6812i.jpg

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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:44 am

What an interesting thread. I never imagined Pan Am flew to Singapore especially back then when Singapore wasn't a major market
 
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:26 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Pan Am also operated R&R flights to Singapore from Cam Rahn Bay, Danang and Saigon during the Vietnam war as this timetable suggest

Thank you for sharing. Did PA ever use widebodies for R&R flights? I flew PA on R&R to Australia early Feb 68 and it was then a 707 and I vaguely recall some of the shorter asian flights being props (not necessarily PA).
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RE: Pan Am 747s To SIN

Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
Did PA ever use widebodies for R&R flights? I flew PA on R&R to Australia early Feb 68 and it was then a 707 and I vaguely recall some of the shorter asian flights being props (not necessarily PA).

Pan Am used DC-6Bs on some Vietnam military flights. Here's a video of a DC-6B arriving somewhere in Vietnam in 1967. It was an R&R flight based on the sign in the bus window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD0PsKF0b-A

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