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OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:13 am

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2K JFK-GYE OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0.0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

They added SPN-CAN last week
3U SPN-PVG NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6

4M MIA-EZE OCT 3>1.0

7C GUM-ICN NOV 1.0>1.6 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.6 APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.6

AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.8>1.6

AF IAD-CDG OCT 1.5>1.1

BA PHL-LHR FEB 1.6>1.4 MAR 2.0>1.7

BB SJU-STT OCT 1.4>0.8 NOV 1.5>0.9 DEC 1.4>0.9
BB STT-STX OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
BB STX-SJU OCT 1.6>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.6>1.0

DL ATL-BNA DEC 9>8
DL ATL-LIT DEC 6>7
DL BOS-CMH DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-IND DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-MCI DEC 0.9>0.4
DL BOS-ORF DEC 1.6>1.2
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.3>0.7
DL CVG-GSO DEC 0.7>0.4
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3
DL DCA-LEX DEC 0.6>0.4
DL DTW-CLT DEC 4>5
DL DTW-CMH DEC 7>6
DL DTW-CRW DEC 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-XNA DEC 0.9>0.4
DL DTW-YOW DEC 1.4>1.8
DL FLL-TLH DEC 0.4>0.0
DL LAX-HNL DEC 3>4
DL LEX-MSP DEC 1.0>0.5
DL LGA-JAX JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
DL LGA-PBI DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL LGA-YHZ DEC 1.5>1.0
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
DL LGA-YUL DEC 5>4
I won't state the obvious.
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
DL MSP-PIA DEC 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-YVR DEC 1.7>1.3

F9 DEN-ATL DEC 1.9>1.4

I guess this was a misfiled duplicate a few weeks ago.
G7 LGA-STL OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0

HA HNL-KOA NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA HNL-LIH NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA HNL-OGG NOV 28>29 DEC 28>29 JAN 28>29 FEB 28>29
HA KOA-HNL NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA LIH-HNL NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA OGG-HNL NOV 28>29 DEC 28>29 JAN 28>29 FEB 28>29

JL ROR-NRT OCT 0>0.2

KE HNL-ICN OCT 2>1.9

LA JFK-SCL OCT 2>1.0
LA SFO-LIM OCT 1.5>0.8

LX ORD-ZRH FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0

MU HNL-PVG APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4

OZ EWR-SEA DEC 0.3>0.1
OZ MSP-ORD DEC 0.2>0.1

UA CLE-CUN MAR 0.9>0.7
UA CLE-IND JAN 3>5 FEB 3>4
UA CLE-MHT JAN 3>1.6
UA CLE-ROC JAN 3>1.6
UA CLE-RSW FEB 1.5>3
UA CLE-YYZ OCT 4>3
UA DEN-BIL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-BIS MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-CPR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
UA EWR-FRA MAR 2>1.8 APR 2>1.9
UA EWR-PAP MAR 0.9>0.8
UA EWR-SXM MAR 1.3>1.1
UA EWR-TLV MAR 2>1.9
UA EWR-ZRH MAR 1.0>0.9
UA IAD-ABE JAN 4>3
UA IAD-PWM JAN 1.9>1.1
UA IAD-ROC JAN 4>3
UA IAD-ZRH MAR 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-LHR MAR 2>1.8 APR 2>1.9
UA IAH-MIA MAR 4>5
UA IAH-SJD MAR 3>1.9 APR 2>1.7
A lot of LAX cuts
Big cut, temporary though
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.8
UA LAX-BOI JAN 1.9>1.1
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.7>1.1
UA LAX-EWR JAN 8>6 FEB 8>7
*UA LAX-MCO JAN 2>1.1 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0
UA LAX-PHX JAN 4>3
UA LAX-SEA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
UA LAX-SLC JAN 3>1.9
UA LAX-SMF JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
UA ORD-BOI JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-BTV JAN 4>3
UA ORD-FRA MAR 2>1.9
UA ORD-IAD JAN 7>6
UA ORD-LAS JAN 5>4
UA ORD-MCO JAN 6>5
UA ORD-PVD JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-RAP JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-SEA JAN 6>3 FEB 6>5
UA ORD-SMF JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-YVR JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>3
UA SFO-ACV JAN 8>6 FEB 8>7
UA SFO-BOS JAN 6>5
UA SFO-EUG JAN 7>6
UA SFO-EWR JAN 8>7
UA SFO-GEG JAN 2>1.1
UA SFO-JFK JAN 6>7
UA SFO-LAS JAN 10>9
UA SFO-MCI JAN 3>1.9
UA SFO-MFR JAN 7>6
UA SFO-PDX JAN 9>8
UA SFO-SEA JAN 9>7 FEB 9>8
UA SFO-SLC JAN 4>5
UA SFO-SNA JAN 7>8
UA SFO-YEG JAN 2>1.1 FEB 2>1.5
*UA SFO-YYJ JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 2>1.8

US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8
Before we get too excited, I'm assuming this is a holiday pull-down, but note that DCA-LGA is pulled down less.
**US BOS-LGA DEC 14>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>0.9
US BOS-RIC DEC 2.0>1.2
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.6
US BOS-SYR DEC 2.0>1.3
US CLT-LAX DEC 4>5
US CLT-MYR DEC 8>9
US CLT-SEA DEC 1.6>3
US CLT-SFO DEC 4>5
US DCA-BDL DEC 6>5
US DCA-BNA DEC 4>3
US DCA-BOS DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-CHA DEC 0.8>0.6
US DCA-GSP DEC 3>1.8
US DCA-HSV DEC 4>3
US DCA-LGA DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-PBI DEC 3>1.8
US DCA-RDU DEC 7>6
US DCA-RSW DEC 1.8>1.2
US PHL-BOS DEC 16>15
US PHL-DEN DEC 1.9>3
US PHL-LAS DEC 5>4
US PHL-MDT DEC 8>7
US PHL-SEA DEC 1.5>3
US PHL-SFO DEC 4>5
US PHL-YOW DEC 4>3
Wow, more ANC in January...obviously sunseekers
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2
US PHX-LAS DEC 10>8

VB IAH-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB LAS-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB SAT-MTY JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0

VS LAX-LHR NOV 2>1.5 JAN 2>1.5 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.6

XL MIA-UIO OCT 3>1.0

YV HNL-LIH OCT 8>7 NOV 9>8
YV LIH-HNL OCT 8>7 NOV 9>8
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-SEA JAN 6>3 FEB 6>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-SEA JAN 9>7 FEB 9>8

Seattle = Spoke. Nothing new, but certainly a change from years gone by. Where once they had the entire North Satellite at SEA to themselves, they will now be moving out to a shared terminal.

SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BB SJU-STT OCT 1.4>0.8 NOV 1.5>0.9 DEC 1.4>0.9

Which airline is this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0

I wonder if UA has a route for this, but then again, it doesn't sound like a good route to me on either airline.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):

Seattle = Spoke. Nothing new, but certainly a change from years gone by. Where once they had the entire North Satellite at SEA to themselves, they will now be moving out to a shared terminal.

And people still think the SEA-NRT flight will be sticking around..............   
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:40 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MA

Yes , OO will be replacing ZK with EM2s.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:58 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
I wonder if UA has a route for this, but then again, it doesn't sound like a good route to me on either airline.

I'd think UA MEM-CLE-XXX would have more potential than DL CLE-MEM-XXX, primarily due to CLE's connections to the NE. However, either option seems extremely low priority.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.

My dad has been an Anchorage resident for 30-some odd years now, and he just bought a newer home in I think Surprise, AZ. Plenty of people need to do their golfing in the 9 months a year when the ball will be lost in the snow/mud/gloom.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
And people still think the SEA-NRT flight will be sticking around..............

AS + 787 = SEA-NRT   Someday maybe....

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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2. LAX has become a big RJ haven for UA lately; everything from SJC to SEA and PDX that were once mainline are now running on CR2s and CR7s if we're lucky.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.

ANC doesn't usually get more service in the Winter, but I do get the Winter escape option.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MA

Yes , OO will be replacing ZK with EM2s.

This seems like another great part of UA's "growth" deal with DEN. So, UA* takes over some routes from ZK, call them "new" and it helps satisfy their expansion requirement. Funny, but sad.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....

Imteresting, but I think AS gets bought if they venture up against AA/DL.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 6):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2. LAX has become a big RJ haven for UA lately; everything from SJC to SEA and PDX that were once mainline are now running on CR2s and CR7s if we're lucky.

Wow, that is awful. I wonder how UA expects to "win" in LAX with that kind of schedule. Maybe they should code share with AS like everybody else on the planet.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, more ANC in January...obviously sunseekers
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

The fact that they tend to operate a second flight only in association with the flex schedule leads me to believe that they aren't adding this flight outside of the winter flex that runs from about mid-December to the first weekend of January. US has added a second ANC flight for that period for the last two years.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:49 pm

I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....

Imteresting, but I think AS gets bought if they venture up against AA/DL.

That's an interesting suggestion. AS has positioned themselves brilliantly to stay independent by partnering up equally with AA, DL and other OW and ST members. Taking either side out of the equation would make them less valuable.

However, one could speculate that if AS defected to either OW or ST, or decided to go off alone and compete more with either side, they could be more open to takeover.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 8):

The fact that they tend to operate a second flight only in association with the flex schedule leads me to believe that they aren't adding this flight outside of the winter flex that runs from about mid-December to the first weekend of January.

I'm assuming it is a plane available from Atlantic Winter reductions?

Quoting azstar (Reply 9):
I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

Thanks, that means a lot.  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty. It will be interesting to see how the initial service annoucements compare with the actual schedule flown at a later point. Perhaps a year or so is a good point for benchmark. Of course I'm eager to look now, but it will probably be a meatier comparison if we let the dust settle further.

A similar comparison for US would be intersting, too, if perhaps not as dramatic. I don't feel like US used their slots to push into as much new ground as Delta did at LaGuardia, both because of the quantity of new slots and the large presence US had before the deal.

Quoting azstar (Reply 9):
I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.

Along with LGA-PHL that died in last week's update from enilria.

A few of these cuts are to be expected. LGA-PHL was bound to be pretty useless. I guess the bigger question is what new routes or new frequencies does DL add as backfill? Of course, I've always argued that DL (and US before them) have more slots at LGA than they really can use given the perimeter restrictions. There's only so many markets that are viable from LGA given demand and competitive forces.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-YYJ JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 2>1.8

The OO service to YYJ is so unreliable that many going away for the holidays tend to buy a second safety ticket through YVR -- just in case.

They've done their level best to drive customers away on this route.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-PIA DEC 1.0>0.5

Wow. This route sure has gone downhill the past several years. NW Airlink once ran 4x daily PIA-MSP! I guess DL is placing more emphasis on PIA-DTW.

So does "0.5" mean 4x/week?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
I'm assuming it is a plane available from Atlantic Winter reductions?

They're using a west A319, which are almost exclusively utilized out of PHX. With the exception of the now-defunct PHL flight, US usually hasn't sent anything larger than an A320 on a regular basis.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):

Now that WN is pulling out of the LGA - BWI route they might want to give it a try. Originally I was sure that BWI was going to be one of the new routes announced earlier this year with the initial expansion to back fill the US pull out of the route but it newer materialized. Now with no competition it might be profitable.

Enilria thank you very much for these weekly updates, they prove to be useful allot especially in my line of work.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:25 pm

what's up with Vivaaerobus?
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 17):
Enilria thank you very much for these weekly updates, they prove to be useful a lot especially in my line of work.

This can't be said often enough -- in case you think we take all this work for granted   
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
what's up with Vivaaerobus?

They're actually not selling IAHMTY past the first week of JAN13 so it could be real this time.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting boilerla (Reply 6):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2.

Wow, that's even more cruel & unusual punishment than standard UA service. 2:45 on a CRJ sounds appropriate for Gitmo.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.7>1.1

This isn't even remotely competitive with AA & VX. Why bother flying it?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
A lot of LAX cuts

I don't see how UA maintains any frequent flyer program loyalty in the short-haul markets. Even DL beats them for schedule in a number of these markets.   

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8
Before we get too excited, I'm assuming this is a holiday pull-down, but note that DCA-LGA is pulled down less.
**US BOS-LGA DEC 14>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>0.9
US BOS-RIC DEC 2.0>1.2
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.6
US BOS-SYR DEC 2.0>1.3

Well, it appears there are cuts in pretty much all the US* routes from BOS in December outside of PIT. And BOS-LGA on E190's has got to be horrible with the end of the LGA focus city. BOS-SYR & BOS-MDT have horrible loads (~50%). BOS-BUF & BOS-RIC do better, but B6 is setting fare levels in these markets and US* uses high-cost ZW CRJ's.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-PBI DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL LGA-YHZ DEC 1.5>1.0
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
DL LGA-YUL DEC 5>4

SRQ- I am not seeing that. To me this looks like SRQ is now going to be year around with a daily flight in April and May. This is a route which is a snow bird route so I can see a single MD88 operation in Jan, Feb and March giving way to a single CR7 in April and May.
Snow bird routes work well for a off peak departure time from LGA.
Is YOW the first casualty of the planned drawdown of CR2's? maybe when the 717 is on property in sufficient numbers a daily rotation LGA-YOW makes sense.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I don't feel like US used their slots to push into as much new ground as Delta did at LaGuardia, both because of the quantity of new slots and the large presence US had before the deal.

Much of the US network from LGA was holdover routes from the old days of Allegheny, Piedmont and Mohawk. Many slots were used on multiple frequencies to in-state markets as well as many other close-by Northeast markets. DL has no such heritage in the region and so appears on the surface to have chosen a "better" variety of routes.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
Well, it appears there are cuts in pretty much all the US* routes from BOS in December outside of PIT. And BOS-LGA on E190's has got to be horrible with the end of the LGA focus city. BOS-SYR & BOS-MDT have horrible loads (~50%). BOS-BUF & BOS-RIC do better, but B6 is setting fare levels in these markets and US* uses high-cost ZW CRJ's.

BOS as anything more than a 100% spoke for US is very, very short for this world. I feel like US is using BOS to park some RJs they can't use elsewhere, for the moment.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
I don't see how UA maintains any frequent flyer program loyalty in the short-haul markets. Even DL beats them for schedule in a number of these markets.

They don't. I was a (Premier) UA FF out of LAX for business and pleasure for 8 years along with former co-workers. What business UA didn't lose from their usually horrible customer service and complete inability to deal with irregular operations was lost by downgauging mainline flights to express planes, especially on longer routes like PDX and SEA. Sorry UA, FF miles or no, I'm not sitting in a CRJ for 2.5 hours and neither were many of my co-workers who abandoned the airline in droves, mostly for WN short-haul and/or AA.

Out of LAX, I think UA does pretty well with those flying to SFO and/or connecting to Asia and maybe some leftover UA loyalists heading to IAD, JFK (and now EWR), and ORD, but I can't imagine there's much else left.

Back on topic, mad props to enilria for taking the time and effort to compile these week after week. They are always the first thread I read when I see them pop up.  
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.

Along with LGA-PHL that died in last week's update from enilria.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
LGA-PHL was bound to be pretty useless.

I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route, but I guess this is the third to die? Not a great start.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
if perhaps not as dramatic. I don't feel like US used their slots to push into as much new ground as Delta did at LaGuardia,

True, but YOW is just as dumb as DCA-PNS.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
Quoting azstar (Reply 9):
I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

+1
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 17):
Enilria thank you very much for these weekly updates, they prove to be useful allot especially in my line of work.
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):
This can't be said often enough -- in case you think we take all this work for granted

Thanks that means a lot.   I'll remember that next time I'm on the beach for vacation and my GF is asking what the hell I'm doing with my laptop.  )

Quoting wn676 (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
I'm assuming it is a plane available from Atlantic Winter reductions?

They're using a west A319, which are almost exclusively utilized out of PHX. With the exception of the now-defunct PHL flight, US usually hasn't sent anything larger than an A320 on a regular basis.

Wow, I was thinking 757.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
Wow, that's even more cruel & unusual punishment than standard UA service. 2:45 on a CRJ sounds appropriate for Gitmo.

You should join us at Newark. It is a common occurrence here, think ewr-msp as one example.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):

I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route, but I guess this is the third to die? Not a great start.

What's backfilling these drops?
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Thanks that means a lot.   I'll remember that next time I'm on the beach for vacation and my GF is asking what the hell I'm doing with my laptop. &nbsp Wink

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....

Haaaaaaaa Maybe! If the airline gets renamed to...oh, let's say DL or AA      

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Thanks that means a lot. I'll remember that next time I'm on the beach for vacation and my GF is asking what the hell I'm doing with my laptop. &nbsp Wink

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
True, but YOW is just as dumb as DCA-PNS.

Why is DCA-PNS dumb? The O&D between metro DC and PNS ranges from 200-300 passengers daily depending on season. Not to mention any connections that US gets. The route gets some good military and defense contractor traffic, plus some leisure too. US even added a third flight on DCA-PNS for Saturday and Sunday.
 
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....
Imteresting, but I think AS gets bought if they venture up against AA/DL.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 29):
Haaaaaaaa Maybe! If the airline gets renamed to...oh, let's say DL or AA

I'm under no illusions of grandeur in predicting or holding my breath for AS international widebody longhaul service. ........ But a guy can dream.  

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Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:37 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 16):
They're using a west A319, which are almost exclusively utilized out of PHX. With the exception of the now-defunct PHL flight, US usually hasn't sent anything larger than an A320 on a regular basis.

That}s interesting. I would have thought a 57 was standard equipment for the legacies to ANC. With the belly freight opportuny and all.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 26):
You should join us at Newark. It is a common occurrence here, think ewr-msp as one example.

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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):

I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route, but I guess this is the third to die? Not a great start.

What's backfilling these drops?

Nothing yet I don't think. They might have added some Florida.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 29):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Thanks that means a lot. I'll remember that next time I'm on the beach for vacation and my GF is asking what the hell I'm doing with my laptop. &nbsp Wink

It's better than porn, right?

She'd be peeved we weren't doing that together.  
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
True, but YOW is just as dumb as DCA-PNS.

Why is DCA-PNS dumb? The O&D between metro DC and PNS ranges from 200-300 passengers daily depending on season. Not to mention any connections that US gets. The route gets some good military and defense contractor traffic, plus some leisure too. US even added a third flight on DCA-PNS for Saturday and Sunday.

According to MIDT booking data (since I can't state DOT O&D on an int'l route), there are 35,000 passengers per year from DCA/BWI/IAD to PNS and YOW from LGA/EWR/JFK is 41,780. DOT says there are 47,128 one-way on WAS-PNS which is higher, but still not sure how you come up with 200-300. Regardless, it is an appropriate comparison. The markets are a similar size.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Wow, I was thinking 757.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
That}s interesting. I would have thought a 57 was standard equipment for the legacies to ANC. With the belly freight opportuny and all.

Holdover from HP. Was Airbus for years out of both PHX and LAS, usually a 319 1x daily out of both. I'm not sure if HP ever put the 757 on the route more than maybe a couple times a year if that.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
That}s interesting. I would have thought a 57 was standard equipment for the legacies to ANC. With the belly freight opportuny and all.

US ran a 757 for one month back in 2007 IIRC. For whatever reason it didn't seem to work out too well for them seeing as how long it lasted, although I was glad to see it moved back to a smaller plane...that 757 would bulk out with bags and freight just about every single day.
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
That}s interesting. I would have thought a 57 was standard equipment for the legacies to ANC. With the belly freight opportuny and all.

US 757s are basically Hawaii and TATL aircraft at this point. There aren't many left and it's rare (although it does happen) to see them in other places.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route

I can't imagine flying LGA-PHL. By the time my mafia-controlled towncar gets to LGA I could be most of the way to Philadelphia on the train, even the regional.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2.

Wow, that's even more cruel & unusual punishment than standard UA service. 2:45 on a CRJ sounds appropriate for Gitmo.

Before UA completely discontinued ELP-LAX, it had become a CR-2 route. But OO knew its Fort Bliss customers well and always had the drinks trollies filled with beer and spirits. After two or three Heinekens, no one cared about the 2 hrs+ block time -- nor (for those still able to walk) about doing the "walk of shame" up the jetbridge   
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 36):
US 757s are basically Hawaii and TATL aircraft at this point. There aren't many left and it's rare (although it does happen) to see them in other places.

Well, the East 757s are used quite a bit to the Caribbean from CLT and PHL, and more so in the winter when there is less transatlantic flying with them. They also still visit Florida regularly, especially MCO, and there's usually one daily on PHL-PHX. The West 757 fleet is pretty much PHX-Hawaii these days.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-CMH DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-IND DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-MCI DEC 0.9>0.4
DL BOS-ORF DEC 1.6>1.2
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.3>0.7
DL CVG-GSO DEC 0.7>0.4
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3
DL DCA-LEX DEC 0.6>0.4

I would expect routes like these to be the first ones on the chopping block with the significant reduction in RJ capacity.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

They would have never added the route in the first place if B6 hadn't started it with their own new LGA slots. Given that most folks on the East Coast seem to end up on the eastern (Atlantic) coast of Florida, while the western (Gulf) coast of the state caters more to the Midwest crowd, it isn't at all surprising to see LGA-SRQ reduced in favor of additional LGA-JAX/PBI  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

Well, they also dropped the feeder service to PHL (how were they ever going to compete against the high frequency US option!), but I believe this is the first route cut with any conceivable O&D. Given that DL is notoriously weak to Canada, I'm not surprised. They don't even serve YOW from ATL. At least there is still the option of AC on this route.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I won't state the obvious.
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0

Kind of odd how CVG and MEM seem to be losing one spoke at a time these days rather than big waves of cuts.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MU HNL-PVG APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4

More good news/growth in the Hawaii-Asia realm. I wonder if HA could pull off service to China in spite of the current visa rules? They seem to be doing fine with service to the non-VWP Philippines...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2

Yup. They get paid to fly there, and it will be a cash cow since they can charge exorbitant prices as the monopoly carrier. I'm guessing they intend to send RJs to Laramie (home to the University of Wyoming) at some point - otherwise, why bother to open and market the station with the knowledge that OO E-120s will soon be all gone?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA LAX-MCO JAN 2>1.1 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0

Long haul, low yields thanks to direct competition from AA, DL, and VX, not to mention all the WN one-stop and connecting options. No surprise here. It would probably have been dropped years ago (a la LAX-ATL/IAH/EWR) if not for the Disney contract...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SMF JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3

This, on the other hand, is very surprising. They can't expect to compete with pithy frequencies like these, especially when they offer vastly inferior hard product compared to the high frequency competition...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-YYJ JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 2>1.8

Unless there is considerable O&D on this route that I am unaware of, I don't understand why UA only serves YYJ (on its own metal) from SFO. SFO is avoided by many travelers because of notorious poor weather (fog) ATC delays. Might as well serve SFO-YYJ once daily and offer an additional daily flight option to LAX and/or DEN?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8
Before we get too excited, I'm assuming this is a holiday pull-down, but note that DCA-LGA is pulled down less.
**US BOS-LGA DEC 14>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>0.9
US BOS-RIC DEC 2.0>1.2
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.6
US BOS-SYR DEC 2.0>1.3

These are some of the last US routes that do not involve PHL/CLT/PHX/DCA. I would expect that they're all gone soon, with the possible exception of BOS-LGA if the AA merger happens soon and the new carrier decides to keep it as a strategic way to appeal to NYC hub travelers.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, more ANC in January...obviously sunseekers
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

It's amazing that California (SFO and LAX/LGB) is so seasonal from ANC, but the Mountain West hubs like DEN, SLC, and PHX have service to ANC all year long. Take a late afternoon/early evening SoCal-PHX flight on US in winter and you'll always find people connecting on to ANC...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VB IAH-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB LAS-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB SAT-MTY JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0

Although VB doesn't seem to be realizing the transborder success that Y4 and 4O have, surely they aren't completely giving up on the U.S. market already?
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 36):
US 757s are basically Hawaii and TATL aircraft at this point. There aren't many left and it's rare (although it does happen) to see them in other places.

Aren}t they a regular to the likes of SXM and STT, etc?
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:36 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Take a late afternoon/early evening SoCal-PHX flight on US in winter and you'll always find people connecting on to ANC...

And the flight PHX-ANC is reliably very full. On a number of occasions I considered trying to nonrev on it, until I saw the loads. Eventually I stopped considering it.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:39 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 41):
And the flight PHX-ANC is reliably very full. On a number of occasions I considered trying to nonrev on it, until I saw the loads. Eventually I stopped considering it.

I}ve yet to make it to ANC for a weekend a a non-rev for this same reason. When DL was running a non-stop from ATL pre merger it was always full or in the negative. Post merger, you}re only options are through MSP and SLC. It}s a chore in itself trying to get a seat to Salt Lake from ANY hub and while ATL-MSP is usually easier, MSP-ANC is almost always a mess.
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Although VB doesn't seem to be realizing the transborder success that Y4 and 4O have, surely they aren't completely giving up on the U.S. market already?

They all seem to stop 06JAN13
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-CMH DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-IND DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-MCI DEC 0.9>0.4
DL BOS-ORF DEC 1.6>1.2
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.3>0.7
DL CVG-GSO DEC 0.7>0.4
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3
DL DCA-LEX DEC 0.6>0.4

I would expect routes like these to be the first ones on the chopping block with the significant reduction in RJ capacity.

These are all December-only reductions, much of it related to the drop in business related travel during the month and around the holidays, plus the drop-off in leisure travel during the first two weeks of the month. They all go back to the regular schedule (for now) in January.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

They would have never added the route in the first place if B6 hadn't started it with their own new LGA slots. Given that most folks on the East Coast seem to end up on the eastern (Atlantic) coast of Florida, while the western (Gulf) coast of the state caters more to the Midwest crowd, it isn't at all surprising to see LGA-SRQ reduced in favor of additional LGA-JAX/PBI .

I don't see the big deal in this.....DL is going to operate daily MD88 service on LGA-SRQ and a 2nd flight on Saturdays during peak season. They dropped the 2nd daily flight during peak season back to Saturday only.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

Well, they also dropped the feeder service to PHL (how were they ever going to compete against the high frequency US option!), but I believe this is the first route cut with any conceivable O&D. Given that DL is notoriously weak to Canada, I'm not surprised. They don't even serve YOW from ATL. At least there is still the option of AC on this route.

Please prove to us how DL is "notorously" weak to Canada.
YOW, despite being a huge center for the Canadian government is not as big in comparison for business travel. Especially since much of the demand to NYC is originating in Canada and naturally going to prefer the Canadian airline options.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 39):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I won't state the obvious.
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0

Kind of odd how CVG and MEM seem to be losing one spoke at a time these days rather than big waves of cuts.

Because it is easier to adjust incrementally at this point and they are making decisions based on individual route profitability. Neither is a true connecting hub anymore and rely much more on O&D than at any time before.

Everyone keeps waiting for the "big wave" of the next cuts. Don't hold your breath waiting at this point. I am always amazed on MEM, CVG, and CLE are the biggest facination within these OAG threads.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.

Along with LGA-PHL that died in last week's update from enilria.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
LGA-PHL was bound to be pretty useless.

I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route, but I guess this is the third to die? Not a great start.

Not a great start? Please prove that point.
DL by all publically released statement is happy with the initial LGA performance. (I know you are going to say they airlines always lie through their teeth when issuing public statements, so fine). I say prove they are lying other than based on a guess.
DL has said they they had 3 point margin improvement so far after the last round of LGA expansion, and that corporate contract wins are up in NYC.

Naturally there were going to be some adjustments. All hubs and all markets see frequent adjustments (they whole point of these weekly OAG threads). I'm sure that DL believed there were going to be some winners and losers in the bunch. Good for them for being proactive at getting rid of the biggest losers. I'd imagine there is a greater degree of tolerance at LGA for DL since it is a strategic market for them to allow to grow.

OMA was cut I think before the first round of the slot swap. PHL didn't work for obvious reasons, YOW since its a market that has questionable O&D for a US-based carrier into NYC with limited connecting opportunities.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
Aren}t they a regular to the likes of SXM and STT, etc?

Yes. As well as SJU, AUA, etc.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Regardless, it is an appropriate comparison. The markets are a similar size.

You ignore that YOW-LGA is already flown by AC making DL the second carrier to fly the route. AC+DL combined have 6 flights a day on LGA-YOW which is likely too much capacity. However, US flies DCA-PNS only 2x daily and is the only carrier. So while the markets may be similar in size, the competitive dynamics are not.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
DOT says there are 47,128 one-way on WAS-PNS which is higher, but still not sure how you come up with 200-300.

My 200-300 number was in both directions which is consistent with your DOT number.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 46):
My 200-300 number was in both directions which is consistent with your DOT number.

Not me! LOL
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
Aren}t they a regular to the likes of SXM and STT, etc?

Yes, you're right. I should have thrown the Caribbean in there too.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US

Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe

Cool, the 787 would look awesome in AS colors. I think AS has tapped most of the low hanging fruit from SEA, PDX and ANC, I would say that if AS wants to continue expanding, they will have to think bigger & further away to prevent stagnation. They will likely add the few cities that could make sense from SEA like RDU, MSY, TPA, OMA first. But at some point will not be able to take AS someplace they should grow. If AS took anything away from HA's success, is International service can be very lucrative I think AS could do well on a NRT-ANC flight with the right aircraft, there is a market albeit fairly seasonal, too bad AS never took the 757, and yes I know AS has done well shedding 727's and M80's to just a 737 fleet to keep commonality, but growth is good, it's not like AS doesn't have the money for a new venture. Even if AS wet leases a 757, maybe some carrier that has a 757 sitting for 23 hours on the ground (FI?) to try it, out and test the waters before buying new aircraft.
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