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JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:33 am

See below:

http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...land-in-charleston-starting-feb-28

According to the article
2X from JFK
1X from BOS
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:47 am

Wow! Very surprised! Just when I thought B6 was done adding domestic cities from JFK, we get Charleston added to the route map.

Out of curiosity, what is the market like? Will B6 see any non-stop competition from NYC or Boston?

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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:51 am

WOW... just last year Southwest now JetBlue... Congratulations to Charleston!
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:24 am

 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:16 pm

WOW! Awesome! I too thought they were done domestically at JFK
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1):
Will B6 see any non-stop competition from NYC

UA at EWR, but fares are usually through the roof!
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1):
Will B6 see any non-stop competition from NYC or Boston?

Besides UA from EWR, DL flies LGA-CHS 5x daily and JFK-CHS 1x daily
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:13 pm

I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
WOW! Awesome! I too thought they were done domestically at JFK

B6 is starting Providence just after Thanksgiving with MCO and FLL but no JFK. I hope like CHS, PVD will get access to B6's vast connectivity at JFK right around the same time. The legacys certainly aren't doing much at these medium cities and many like them so bring on the competition.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting lat41 (Reply 8):
B6 is starting Providence just after Thanksgiving with MCO and FLL but no JFK. I hope like CHS, PVD will get access to B6's vast connectivity at JFK right around the same time. The legacys certainly aren't doing much at these medium cities and many like them so bring on the competition.

There's hardly any O&D air travel between Providence and New York - Amtrak takes 3 hours on the Regional, and it's even less on Acela. By the time one drives out to PVD, goes through the TSA smoke and mirrors show, flies to New York and then goes to Midtown, it's a push at best.

And with a plane of flow traffic not having the best yields since there's no higher yielding local people, plus limited slots, why waste it on JFK-PVD.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
And with a plane of flow traffic not having the best yields since there's no higher yielding local people, plus limited slots, why waste it on JFK-PVD.

While I agree peak period slots are more valuable, there are other times of the day that could support flights. Local demand for PVD-NYC is difficult to guage because no oen has provided quality service in the past decade. CO used to run 10x ATR-72's on top of 10-12x BEX S340's to LGA. Not implying that kind of frequency, but 3x on unrelable aircraft to unrelaible airports (EWR/LGA today compared to 10-15 years ago) drove service away. But there two components:

Reliability - B6 would provide a much mroe relaiable/reputable service than in the past (plus there is currently no LGA or JFK service options at all)

Feed - Even with little O&D, PVD can generate a signficiant amount of feed for the B6 network in both the carribean and west coast networks. Planes that fly more full thanks to additional feed will generate a higher overall yeild from local passengers as a result.

Even something simple like

0600-0700 PVD-JFK
1200-1300 JFK-PVD
1345-1445 PVD-JFK
2200-2300 JFK-PVD

Could avoid peak times and still feed a decent amount of volume into the network.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1):
Out of curiosity, what is the market like?

there's a growing tech community there, some creative industries, and a decent sized arts scene - all should provide some traffic for these B6 flights to NYC & BOS... in addition to the shipping / port related business.

the city- while small has some affluence to it (some from up north with second homes, wealthy retirees, ect.) the weekends, holidays, and summer should provide some tourism lift as well.

i think B6 is a good fit for CHS, glad to see a good airline offering service to this beautiful city.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.

I think it may be coming. BOS is the most popular final destination for travelers originating in SAV, so it makes sense on a number of levels for B6 to open up BOS out of SAV at a minimum.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
While I agree peak period slots are more valuable, there are other times of the day that could support flights. Local demand for PVD-NYC is difficult to guage because no oen has provided quality service in the past decade. CO used to run 10x ATR-72's on top of 10-12x BEX S340's to LGA.

Again with TSA screenings being what they are today it's probably cheaper and quicker to drive, take a bus or Amtrak most of the time from Rhode Island to the Tri-State area. UA has four daily to EWR which probably caters mostly to connections.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:10 pm

I hope the executives on these (first) flights will have a look at the 787 line while in Charleston and decide to take home a few.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.

Haven't you heard? Chasing competition is all the rage nowdays.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:38 pm

WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I think I speak for us CHS spotters when I say that this is AWESOME news! Not only are we getting new spotting material and the fun of guessing which tail scheme we will see but we get one of the best airlines in America! Great job CHS!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:05 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong-----is this first ever CHS-BOS nonstop??
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
Correct me if I'm wrong-----is this first ever CHS-BOS nonstop??

No...Delta flew it June 2006-August 2009 (generally a 1x/day CRJ, but some periods where it was 2x/day on weekends); before that US Airways flew it on weekends (generally Sat only) from June 2004-August 2006 on ERJ-145s.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):

But there is something to be said about how it has been doing as a market. Weekly regionals to daily regionals, to daily mainline! Pretty darn good if you ask me!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19):
But there is something to be said about how it has been doing as a market. Weekly regionals to daily regionals, to daily mainline! Pretty darn good if you ask me!

Well there has been a three year hiatus on the route. Granted you weren't going to see many legacies hop on it - US and DL have pulled way back on their regional operations out of Boston that they had in the mid-2000s.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:20 pm

Another city in the Eastern US, and no new additions in the Midwest or West Coast! Hmmmm...glad it's another domestic, but there's a huge gap in their network. No STL, BNA, MEM, MSP, SAN, IND, DTW and no ATL!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1):
Wow! Very surprised! Just when I thought B6 was done adding domestic cities from JFK, we get Charleston added to the route map.

I'm not too surprised, I think it's B6 wanting to increase a dominance on the east. Good news for CHS IMO  
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:28 pm

I would think MYR would be a good market for B6, plenty of demand from BOS and NY. Not sure if NK would scare them off though.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
I would think MYR would be a good market for B6, plenty of demand from BOS and NY. Not sure if NK would scare them off though.

NK doesnt seem to play the turf wars game very much. They just close up shop and move onto the next city.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:44 pm

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I would think MYR would be a good market for B6

Yields would be WAY to low at MYR.

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NK doesnt seem to play the turf wars game very much.

This has been right in the past but recently this would be wrong. DFW, IAH, BWI are just a few examples.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting caTIII (Reply 12):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.

I think it may be coming. BOS is the most popular final destination for travelers originating in SAV, so it makes sense on a number of levels for B6 to open up BOS out of SAV at a minimum.

Didn't US used to serve BOS-SAV?


In any event, nice to see B6 expanding and make BOS of that expansion.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
I would think MYR would be a good market for B6, plenty of demand from BOS and NY. Not sure if NK would scare them off though.

I agree. I have been spending half the year in Myrtle Beach for about 4 years and have made many friends. I can think of 5 that are from Massachusets, and the rest are either from NJ, NY, or CT. Even though NK does 2x daily to LGA and DL does Sat/Sun service, B6 could definitely support a daily flight to both BOS and JFK alongside NK (and DL, kinda). Plus, Myrtle Beach is known as the halfway point, for all the northerners who moved to Florida and didn't like it, so they literraly moved halfway home. You will be hard pressed to talk to 10 people and have more than 1 or 2 of them actually be Native to Myrtle Beach or South Carolina. JetBlue could do very well at MYR if they gave it a chance.

On a side note, MYR is going to have that whole new terminal completely vacant. I'm sure they will be reaching out and offering incentives to airlines, much like my other home airport, ISP is currently doing.

Also on a side note, my neighbors' son (The family is from upstate NY (Mahopac)) is actually a WN pilot, so they make the commute to CHS all the time. They would LUV WN to come to MYR too! (Not that WN is gonna come because of one family), but now with NK out of the D.C. market, I could definitely see MYR being WN's next BKG.  
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 26):
Didn't US used to serve BOS-SAV?


In any event, nice to see B6 expanding and make BOS of that expansion.

I think it was actually DL, but I could be wrong.

Quoting Noise (Reply 21):
Another city in the Eastern US, and no new additions in the Midwest or West Coast! Hmmmm...glad it's another domestic, but there's a huge gap in their network. No STL, BNA, MEM, MSP, SAN, IND, DTW and no ATL!

Well, how many more East Coast cities are there? PHL, MYR, SAV, and ATL are really it.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Reliability - B6 would provide a much mroe relaiable/reputable service than in the past (plus there is currently no LGA or JFK service options at all)

Feed - Even with little O&D, PVD can generate a signficiant amount of feed for the B6 network in both the carribean and west coast networks. Planes that fly more full thanks to additional feed will generate a higher overall yeild from local passengers as a result.

Yeah, even though PVD is a short train ride from BOS and they have access to so many places from there, it still could use flights to JFK if there is room.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:32 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 21):
No STL, BNA, MEM, MSP, SAN, IND, DTW and no ATL!

B6 fly to SAN from both JFK & BOS.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 28):
how many more East Coast cities are there? PHL, MYR, SAV, and ATL are really it.

What about ORF?

Also maybe more FL to Daytona Beach, Melbourne and Pensacola (not strictly east coast)
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):

There's hardly any O&D air travel between Providence and New York
Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
Again with TSA screenings being what they are today it's probably cheaper and quicker to drive, take a bus or Amtrak most of the time from Rhode Island to the Tri-State area. UA has four daily to EWR which probably caters mostly to connections.

I don't think the point is to fly commuters from Rhode Island to New York. The O&D argument is ridiculous. The point is to connect them to the airline's network at JFK. As, you indicate, UA does at EWR. I think the passion for driving to hubs is overestimated. Maybe I'm in a minority, but it's a sizeable minority, of prefering to board my flight at a smaller airport, if I'm going to connect somewhere anyhow.

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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 21):

B6 ROUTE PLANNERS! Are you reading this? COME TO DTW
  
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 32):
B6 ROUTE PLANNERS! Are you reading this? COME TO DTW

LOL! Their holdup with DTW could be the same reason they cut ATL. Delta. They couldn;t stand on their own against DL at ATL, given DTW is not as big as ATL, but it might be a problem. Also, DTW has NK, who seems to not like competition. But who knows? Anything is possible, I mean we're talking about B6 at Charleston!  
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 33):
LOL! Their holdup with DTW could be the same reason they cut ATL. Delta. They couldn;t stand on their own against DL at ATL, given DTW is not as big as ATL, but it might be a problem. Also, DTW has NK, who seems to not like competition. But who knows? Anything is possible, I mean we're talking about B6 at Charleston!

While it still surprises me that they haven't come to Michigan, I wonder if they would actually consider going to GRR.

the FL/WN presence isn't huge; and Allegiant is moving back to LAN. I could see them going 1-2 Daily JFK as well as one MCO
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 34):
While it still surprises me that they haven't come to Michigan, I wonder if they would actually consider going to GRR.

the FL/WN presence isn't huge; and Allegiant is moving back to LAN. I could see them going 1-2 Daily JFK as well as one MCO

Seems like it could work if B6 were to try!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 32):
B6 ROUTE PLANNERS! Are you reading this? COME TO DTW

FWIW, some here believe the only reason B6 is in SLC and once had a few non-hub routes out of it was because that was where David Neeleman was from. Guess where David Barger is from?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 30):
What about ORF?

Also maybe more FL to Daytona Beach, Melbourne and Pensacola (not strictly east coast)

Okay, ORF (or PHF for that matter) might be a possibility, but the new People Express will be flying from PVD so that might hurt B6's chances of starting it (from BOS anyway).

DAB, MLB, and PNS are less likely. From BOS/PVD/MHT, MLB is 22 PDEW, DAB is 30 PDEW, and PNS is 47 PDEW, not enough to fill a flight. However, DAB may see quite a bit of leakage to MCO and JAX, but it would more likely be a JFK-only route, and I don't think B6 would do that.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 36):
but the new People Express will be flying from PVD

I love to see new airlines (and old ones, in this case) being brought to life, but with PEOPLExpress, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 33):
LOL! Their holdup with DTW could be the same reason they cut ATL. Delta. They couldn;t stand on their own against DL at ATL, given DTW is not as big as ATL, but it might be a problem. Also, DTW has NK, who seems to not like competition. But who knows?

B6 is now much, much larger than it was when it originally went into ATL. They have significantly more "staying power", capital, brand awareness, and loyalty (from NY/BOS) than in the past.

With regard to competing against NK, I don't think B6 really cares. NK caters to a different type of passenger -- and has a far inferior product. B6 could fill JFK/BOS-ATL/DTW with Northeast-originating traffic alone.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 36):
DAB, MLB, and PNS are less likely. From BOS/PVD/MHT, MLB is 22 PDEW, DAB is 30 PDEW, and PNS is 47 PDEW, not enough to fill a flight.

These are the numbers as they currently stand. Add a non-stop route with reasonable fares, and expect these numbers to jump. That said, I think B6 would test these markets from JFK first and then look at connecting flows from BOS before jumping into BOS-MLB/DAB/PNS non-stop.

All this being said, my head is still spinning about Charleston being added. Definitely did not see this coming. Hoping that it works well for them.

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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 38):

You're right on all accounts. I have flown NK and B6 and I am so glad I have a new way to get to SC without NK or US throgh CLT.

As for ATL and DTW, you are right. They do have more brand recognition nowadays and hopefully we will see hem at DTW and back at ATL soon.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:49 pm

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As for ATL and DTW, you are right.

Unless they planned on flying many flights, why can't they just use a Common Use Gate? They could in that theory come in at any time then.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 36):
However, DAB may see quite a bit of leakage to MCO and JAX, but it would more likely be a JFK-only route, and I don't think B6 would do that.

DAB would almost definitely be a JFK only route. They have the pax for NY, not so muich Boston. The thing about DAB is if B6 entered the market with JFK service, the amount of leakage to MCO and JAX would get smaller. MCO and JAX can hold their own if B6 went into DAB.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 41):

Agreed, probably a daily a320 to JFK, similar to what they have at SRQ.
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:18 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 42):
Agreed, probably a daily a320 to JFK, similar to what they have at SRQ.

It would probably be 2x E190 on JFK-DAB. I know DAB is really pushing for them right now. NYC-DAB PDEW will most definitely spike on the addition of nonstop service. The current numbers, IMO, are skewed because you have to connect in ATL or CLT.
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 43):

Could be as well.

BTW, I got the e-mail from JetBlue of the service being bookable.

Here are the timetables:

Flight 1273

Leaves JFK: 8:10am
Arrives CHS: 10:23am
Aircraft: E-190

Flight 1275

Leaves JFK: 2:59pm
Arrives CHS: 5:18pm
Aircraft: E-190

Return Trip:

Flight 1274:

Leaves CHS: 11:00am
Arrives JFK: 12:41pm
Aircraft: E-190

Flight 1276:

Leaves CHS: 5:55pm
Arrives JFK: 7:43pm
Aircraft: E-190
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:49 am

Just realized I forgot the BOS timetable:

Flight 1669:

Leaves BOS: 9:35am
Arrives CHS: 12:06pm
Aircraft: E-190

Return Leg:

Flight 1670:

Leaves CHS: 12:45pm
Arrives BOS: 2:50pm
Aircraft: E-190
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:07 am

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 43):

I've never understood that argument. I mean do people really decide not to go to a destination because there is no nonstop flight? I don't think so!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:31 am

If these flights do well maybe B6 can add a daily FLL-CHS-FLL turn?
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting Azul320 (Reply 47):
If these flights do well maybe B6 can add a daily FLL-CHS-FLL turn?
Pretty Please?

That's what we're hoping! Maybe a MCO turn too!
 
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RE: JetBlue To Serve Charleston SC

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting Azul320 (Reply 47):
If these flights do well maybe B6 can add a daily FLL-CHS-FLL turn?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 48):
That's what we're hoping! Maybe a MCO turn too!

I doubt either of these because CHS is a destination for B6 pax not so much a city.

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