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AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:32 pm

Hello fellow San Diegan a.net experts:

For the past several weeks I've noticed an AA 767 with winglets parked during the day over by the Jimsair apron. It seems it is parked for most of the day when I've driven down the I-5. I know AA flies a 767 to JFK in the morning and a flight returns around 6 p.m. or so, but what schedule is AA following that has a big aircraft like this parked for most of the day? The utilization doesn't seem very efficient, but then I'm not in the airline industry so I have no idea.

Any thoughts, information?

I must say it is a nice surprise seeing that big shiny bird parked!
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:14 pm

Possibly it was one used for the JFK flight but down for mechanical?
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 1):
Possibly it was one used for the JFK flight but down for mechanical?

I can't imagine it being parked on a mechanical issue - it's been there for a few weeks I think. (What sort of mechanical would require a plane be parked for so long?) OTOH, I can't see the registration, so I don't know if it's one plane, or if AA is parking the 767s between flights.
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 2):

This sort of things happens. Like you aid, youre not 100% sure if its the same a/c or if its a daily occurance. At LAS during certain times of the year (when the schedule isnt as fat) a DL 763 would come in from ATL and sit for hours and not turn back until an 2300+ departure. Ive also seen this happen in SEA and LAX (west coast stations that have red eyes).
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:26 pm

Interesting find J'. That does seem like a lot of airplane to be parked most (all?) of the time.

The only thing I have to ask is are you sure it's AA? I remember once seeing some official New Zealand military or government plane in that area and it was all gray or silver and I think it was a 767 as well.

If you're 100% sure of the AA livery, then I'm stumped. AFAIK, AA doesn't have all-freight a/c so it wouldn't be some sort of cargo deal. Sports charters wouldn't explain it either, not for such an extended period of time. My only other thought would be some sort of on-going military troop movement thing happening?

Hopefully someone here might eventually be able to provide the answer...

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:56 pm

AAs timetable shows the single 763 departing for JFK at 0735 and arriving at 1920, so anything on the ground midday would be odd. I can't believe they'd be slipping an aircraft each day having two RON and one remain all day.
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:56 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
The only thing I have to ask is are you sure it's AA?

Hah! Yep, I am sure - you can't miss that all aluminum/red-white-blue cheat line from ten miles away (though I was closer of course). It is a 767 with winglets/sharklets. I'll drive by today and see if I can get a registration number, though I think the buildings hide it from up close.
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:17 pm

My roommate was in SAN yesterday and said the 767 was sitting at one of AA's gates, all closed up, jetbridge pulled back, no lights on or anything. But definitely a wingletted AA 767 sitting at SAN with nowhere to go!
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:33 pm

So now we find that AA is moving the bird back and forth and all over the airport! This keeps getting interestinger and interestinger...  
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
Hah! Yep, I am sure - you can't miss that all aluminum/red-white-blue cheat line from ten miles away (though I was closer of course).


I now am certain that you're certain so that fact is confirmed and we're back to square one! (J', please know that I didn't mean any offense but I've learned over the years that the easiest explanation is often the correct one so once that's been eliminated, then you move on to find the correct and more complicated answer.)

I know. Maybe during bankruptcy AA feels it prudent to disseminate their assets -- hide things here and there just in case... (Just in case what, I have no idea!) Or perhaps this is an "extra" bird that normally lives up the 5 at LAX and due to construction/whatever, AA decided to just move it down here for a while just to keep it out of harm's way.

  

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3):

Tis the season for planes sitting on the ground for four plus hours. We have flights coming in between 1700 and 1900 local (sometimes earlier) and the flight will sit at the gate until the redeye which leaves at 2340 local. Of course there are times also during a slow holiday weekend where there might be so many airplanes an airline has to park them all over the airport, I know we have in the past. But when the busy season starts back up end of October, early November aircraft will be not sitting idle as long unless they are overnighting.
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:02 pm

It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 9):
Tis the season for planes sitting on the ground for four plus hours. We have flights coming in between 1700 and 1900 local (sometimes earlier) and the flight will sit at the gate until the redeye which leaves at 2340 local.

I assume you're talking about Sky Harbor and we have the same situation here; we sometimes have RONs that arrive here in the late afternoon, spend the night, and don't exactly leave the next day at the crack of dawn! We also have a huge number of RONs with every gate filled every night plus lots of metal sitting in the overflow parking area all night..

However, AA 763s are rare around here. As has been mentioned twice, we only have 1 scheduled 767 turn here on AA so this whole thing is totally unrelated to scheduled flights.

I checked FlightAware a while ago and the onlly 767 flights on AA lately have been the JFK-arrival in the evening and the departure in the morning. There's no other 767 activity listed so this airplane seems to have become a rather expensive lawn decoration or paperweight here at Lindbergh...  

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here...

Well, there we go. Thank you JD'. Unusual but interesting to know that something like that is happening here.

Any idea how long each conversion takes?

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration.

That's interesting. I never knew they did that kind of work here? Is this something AA recently
started doing at SAN?
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:05 am

OK, here's what FlightAware shows on the AA 763 fleet at SAN. Day and a half to convert.

Leaving off the letters at the end of the N number (they are AA, AN or AM) 7375A is an oddball N number

387 8/30-9/1
362 8/31-9/2
383 9/1-9/3
370 9/5-9/7
388 9/6-9/8
377 9/7-9/9
373 9/8-9/10
7375A 9/9-9/11
399 9/10-9/12
369 9/11-9/13
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

TIMCO got the contract in BOS to do the work. I spoke with an AA MTC man and he said it was a month long process to start. I think he said it took 1.5-2 days per aircraft. AA management has to "guard" the plane while the work is being done for fear of union employees harrassing the contract employees.
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:13 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 14):
here's what FlightAware shows on the AA 763 fleet at SAN.

Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

Correct, the inbound aircraft slips out of rotation while the completed aircraft slips into the next day's operation.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

It takes a bit of digging. I went to Planespotters to get the N numbers of AA's 763s. Then put each N number into FlightAware and looked for SAN flights. If you see SAN flights (not very many as there is just one per day), then you can see the arrival dates and departure dates. All had a minimum of 1.5 days (departure 2 calendar days after arrival).
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:41 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

Correct, the inbound aircraft slips out of rotation while the completed aircraft slips into the next day's operation. There would be a single ferry, cancellation, extra section or substitution on either end of the program to move the added aircraft into and out of SAN.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

It takes a bit of digging. I went to Planespotters to get the N numbers of AA's 763s. Then put each N number into FlightAware and looked for SAN flights. If you see SAN flights (not very many as there is just one per day), then you can see the arrival dates and departure dates. All had a minimum of 1.5 days (departure 2 calendar days after arrival).
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:37 am

Seat maps seem to indicate row 10 from the mini coach cabin has been removed. Possibly Lavatory on L side removed and a single seat of 14A in it's place (maybe an error?)
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting jcarv (Reply 15):
AA management has to "guard" the plane while the work is being done for fear of union employees harrassing the contract employees.

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:01 pm

Speaking of AA and SAN, why does AA only fly 1x daily SAN-NYC (at least that's the schedule i'm seeing for March 2013) ? Is SAN such a ridiculously small unimportant market ?
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:35 pm

There are eight daily non-stops to the New York area from AA (1x), DL (2x), Jet Blue (2x) and UA (3x). This is hardly a small, insignificant market given the size of the cachement area as well as high tech businesses and the U.S. military.
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
J', please know that I didn't mean any offense

lol, no problem, Mr. SANFan. This being a.net, I half-expected someone to reply along the lines "you fool, (1) this has been discussed in threads x,y, z," or (2) "you fool, had you looked at flightaware you would have figured this out for yourself," or (3) "you fool, why do we let people like you post online," together with a request to the moderator that the post be immediately deleted and my membership reviewed. So your pleasant query was a big relief.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 7):
My roommate was in SAN yesterday and said the 767 was sitting at one of AA's gates, all closed up, jetbridge pulled back, no lights on or anything.

Ahah!, When I drove by yesterday, the apron area was devoid of AA767s, which made me think I had been seeing things!

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

And see, my question has resulted in us learning something previously not known - AA is ferrying 767s to San Diego -of all places - for main cabin configuration! Who knew? What exactly will this entail? Is this part of the AA cabin realignment and refurbishment announced in May across the entire fleet?

I think San Diego should bid to reconfigure the AA 777-200s next - wouldn't that be a great sight to see?
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
Speaking of AA and SAN, why does AA only fly 1x daily SAN-NYC (at least that's the schedule i'm seeing for March 2013) ? Is SAN such a ridiculously small unimportant market

AA has often flown daily double flights in the market (and they may have even had 3x daily on a couple of occasions years ago) but in recent years, when the widebody is used between SAN and JFK, it's usually the only flight.

AA has flown nonstop between JFK and SAN continuously since the mid-60s (not sure exactly what year the route commenced but it was not flown in '62 but was operated in 1967) and I would say that makes it a fairly senior and important market for the carrier.

Considering the AA strategy recently of only op'ing flights to and from their cornerstone/major hubs, I think SAN is fortunate to have retained the JFK flight as this is the only one above and beyond mainline flights to only the ORD and DFW hubs -- and we are still not connected with that other large AA hub in southern Florida...


Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
And see, my question has resulted in us learning something previously not known

Hey JA', it's been a great thread and I for one am glad you started it. This is one of the nice things about A.net! (And another thanks to JD' for solving our little riddle.)

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:53 pm

well thank you for finally answering this!!! I've been dying to know why it's been sitting there for ages!!! I live in Bankers Hill and it just drove me crazy!!!
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
AAs timetable shows the single 763 departing for JFK at 0735 and arriving at 1920,

I show it arriving JFK at 1600 (AA160). 0735-1920 would be much too long for a nonstop.
 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
I think San Diego should bid to reconfigure the AA 777-200s next - wouldn't that be a great sight to see?

Would be nice to see a 777-200 on the JFK-SAN route.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 24):
AA has flown nonstop between JFK and SAN continuously since the mid-60s (not sure exactly what year the route commenced but it was not flown in '62 but was operated in 1967

It did start in 1967 and coincided with the new terminal building opening on the south side of the field. That was in March 1967. Transcontinental service and a new terminal all at the same time...SAN grew up that spring!
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
I think San Diego should bid to reconfigure the AA 777-200s next - wouldn't that be a great sight to see?

I was thinking the same thing!   
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

We have a winner!

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 20):
Speaking of AA and SAN, why does AA only fly 1x daily SAN-NYC (at least that's the schedule i'm seeing for March 2013) ? Is SAN such a ridiculously small unimportant market ?

Because it's 100 miles south of a cornerstone, but important enough to have daily JFK service.

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
AAs timetable shows the single 763 departing for JFK at 0735 and arriving at 1920,

I show it arriving JFK at 1600 (AA160). 0735-1920 would be much too long for a nonstop.

You are correct, but I didn't put enough info into the post. We only care about SAN in this thread, the returning flight arrives back into SAN at 1920.
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:40 am

It is a bad picture, but here is N399AN sitting in its odd place:

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:07 am

And there's the proof that this wasn't just a fantasy thread!   (Thanx for always having your camera handy, C7', and for hanging out near SAN a lot! Glad you're in town.)

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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:27 am

Not the best picture, but here it is at gate 32. Photo was taken at 10:40 am

 
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RE: AA 767 Parked At SAN

Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

  I can confirm this.

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 19):
Seat maps seem to indicate row 10 from the mini coach cabin has been removed.

From what I could gather, the mini coach cabin will now be 3 rows instead of 4.
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