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Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:14 pm

Well, just found this article, when reading the electronic edition of the Cancun paper "Novedades" ( sorry, spanish only http://sipse.com/noticias/174534-anu...an-vuelo-directo-china-cancun.html

It is mentioned that authorities from the Chinese province of Hainan, recently visited the Mexican Caribbean resort of Cancun to meet with local authorities. The top topic was to discuss the feasibility of commencing directs flights by Hainan Airlines, during the third quarter of 2013, between Beijing and Cancun. No further details were given, but it is mentioned in the article, that HU would be using 787-8s to run the proposed new service.

Lots of talking in the past, in regards to flights from China to Mexico by a Chinese carrier. Nothing has materialized just yet. At his time, Aeromexico remains the only airline providing direct links between the two countries ( MEX-PVG v v ).

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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
The top topic was to discuss the feasibility of commencing directs flights by Hainan Airlines, during the third quarter of 2013, between Beijing and Cancun
PEK-CUN, a 12,817 km VFR route.... That would be a first!

Even a one stop via say, MEX, would make little sense.

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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:49 pm

LOL, perhaps with almost FULL government subsidy....

BTW, the only logical stopping point would either be in Canada or the US, and I doubt any of that will happen. I'm not sure a flight could take off from MEX and fly nonstop to PEK, giving altitude at MEX.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 2):
LOL, perhaps with almost FULL government subsidy....

There was a fascinating article in the last Economist about countries and cities trying to court the Chinese tourist markets. Apparently, Chinese tourists spend a ton more money than most others, and are becoming a very, VERY important demographic in the travel business. Not saying there would be a full government subsidy, of course, but Cancun trying hard to attract Chinese tourists would not be a crazy thing.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:42 pm

I see Hainan airlies starting services to Mexico City with the 787 in the next two or three years, and I think they would be succesfull there.

I don't know about Cancun, might be better to code-share it through MEX
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:24 pm

At one time, HU had expressed interest in tagging their SEA service with MEX...along with KE.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:45 pm

Longest non-stop flight CUN has is the UN B744 from DME. And that is 10,067 km. (they use a 352 seat B744)

SU also flies SVO-CUN, which is 10,003 km, but they use an A332 with 241 seats. That's 30% less revenue, albeit with a more fuel efficient airframe.

Interesting if someone knows how these airlines are doing into CUN.

All of this being said, i fail to see how a tiny little B788 with 215 seats will perform profitably on such a long and thin segment that is PEK-CUN.

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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 4):
see Hainan airlies starting services to Mexico City with the 787 in the next two or three years, and I think they would be succesfull there.

I don't know about Cancun, might be better to code-share it through MEX

I concur !!!

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 6):
All of this being said, i fail to see how a tiny little B788 with 215 seats will perform profitably on such a long and thin segment that is PEK-CUN.

You are very right here. Like g500 mentioned, It would be more feasible to code share, a possible servicee to CUN, ex MEX with Aeromexico.

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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 6):
All of this being said, i fail to see how a tiny little B788 with 215 seats will perform profitably on such a long and thin segment that is PEK-CUN.

Well, the 788 was designed for long, thin routes...
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Well, the 788 was designed for long, thin routes...

Yes, but to fly businessmen on premium fares, not tourists on cheap tickets.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 4):
I don't know about Cancun, might be better to code-share it through MEX

My guess is the Chinese would want to fly nonstop to their destination and spend as little time as possible making connections after a ULH flight in a strange and foreign nation that is suseptible to crime.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:05 am

I am looking at my calendar. Today is NOT April 1.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 2):
the only logical stopping point would either be in Canada or the US,

Could they even get 5th freedom rights between USA/Canada and Mexico? That's the only way they would have a chance to succeed on such a route, and I'm not giving that much of a chance either.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:12 am

If true, this route would be even more poorly conceived than MH's KUL-LAX-MEX route. It's amazing that in this day in age, there are airlines who completely lose their minds on absurd routes.
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:22 am

My first reaction was this just proves the US needs to streamline it's visa process for Chinese citizens.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:28 am

Or just behave like so many other parts of the world with a normal transit process sans the need for a visa, just change planes at LAX like I can go from LA to BKK via Beijing Without a China Visa.

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RE: Hainan Airlines To Cancun In 2013!

Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 12):
If true, this route would be even more poorly conceived than MH's KUL-LAX-MEX route. It's amazing that in this day in age, there are airlines who completely lose their minds on absurd routes.

Well, believe it or not, MH's fifth freedom sectors LAX-MEX-LAX, were averaging 90 PLF, when traffic rights were removed from the airline by the Mexivan government, back in 1998.

Yes, as absurd as it may sound to you !!!

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