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AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:43 pm

AS is supposed to get their first 737-900ER soon. When does AS get their first -900ER?
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:32 pm

The first one is in final assembly now, so it should roll out in a week or so. Depending on how much certification work is required since it is the first 739ER for ASA, it should be a month or so away from delivery.
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:04 pm

First one comes in October. There is another coming in November and 2 coming in December.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 2):
There is another coming in November and 2 coming in December

And I believe they keep on comin' at ~ 1 per month thru next June, right?

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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:04 pm

Any guesses on the routes they'll fly??
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
Any guesses on the routes they'll fly??

I can tell you that one possibility is being discussed here right now:
AS History At BOS (by MAV88 Sep 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

  

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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Thread starter):
AS is supposed to get their first 737-900ER soon. When does AS get their first -900ER?

RNT r/o Sep21, B1 planned for Sep28. Delivery not set yet.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:58 pm

My guess would be some of the longer routes out of SEA that the current 737-900s can't do. SEA-EWR and SEA-BOS and maybe even SEA-ATL and SEA-PHL. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the 737-900ERs will be ETOPS certified, so you won't see them in Hawaii.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:36 am

I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)

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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:10 am

Would AS flying ANC-EWR work? Sure would be nice. I could see UA flying that route in the future.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:35 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)

Runway length is too short. The 737-900 and -900ER are both big runway pigs.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 9):

Would AS flying ANC-EWR work? Sure would be nice. I could see UA flying that route in the future.

Too long for any 737, except possibly a 73G, which would have disastrous yields on a route that long. That's really a 757 route.

[Edited 2012-09-14 22:37:48]
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:43 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Runway length is too short. The 737-900 and -900ER are both big runway pigs.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):

I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)

Alaska flew 737-900s SEA-DCA for years (and IAD, post 9/11). They were replaced for good when the 737-800s came online, though the route saw a 73G right after 9/11. In fact, the only reason AS got the SEA-DCA route in 2001 was because of the 737-900--they had to have an aircraft with similar capacity to the TWA 757.

[Edited 2012-09-15 00:40:37]
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:06 am

apparently I can't read, haha  butthead 

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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:16 pm

Hey guys, does all of their current fleet of 12 739 have winglets?
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 11):
Alaska flew 737-900s SEA-DCA for years (and IAD, post 9/11).

With major restrictions. The 737-800 has significantly greater effective capacity on a transcon from DCA than the -900. Offering a -900 as a substitute for a 757 from DCA was a nice snow job.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 13):
Hey guys, does all of their current fleet of 12 739 have winglets?

All but the first three built, which apparently have different wing structure that would make a winglet conversion prohibitively expensive.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting 24fan (Reply 7):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the 737-900ERs will be ETOPS certified, so you won't see them in Hawaii.

The new 737-900 ER's will be ETOPS certified.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:18 pm

When I flew out to Boston over the summer it was on a 737-900 with no winglets. So they can fly the route but probably only when the winds are not too bad.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 16):
When I flew out to Boston over the summer it was on a 737-900 with no winglets. So they can fly the route but probably only when the winds are not too bad.

The 739 can fly it when loads are low. A 739 is unlikely to make BOS-SEA without payload restrictions that impact capacity. I'd be surprised if the plane didn't have blocked seats unless the winds were favorable.
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 16):
The new 737-900 ER's will be ETOPS certified.

Okay I stand corrected.   So then we may see the 737-900ERs in Hawaii.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:12 pm

The 900ER's are planned for west coast-Hawaii...particularly routes out of SAN and the Bay Area (OAK, SJC, SMF). Depending on the jet stream, they might be used out of the Pacific NW to Hawaii as well. Strong headwinds westbound would require using the 800ER.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 19):
Strong headwinds westbound would require using the 800ER.

The what?   
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 20):
The what?

The Pacific jetstream moves south in the winter...with strong westerly upper-level winds of up to 100+ knots. It will often park itself on a straight line between Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, bringing drenching tropical rains in the winter. This can add an hour or more to the flight time between Seattle and Hawaii.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 21):
The Pacific jetstream moves south in the winter...with strong westerly upper-level winds of up to 100+ knots. It will often park itself on a straight line between Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, bringing drenching tropical rains in the winter. This can add an hour or more to the flight time between Seattle and Hawaii.

That's nice dear, but that is this mythical 800ER you speak of?
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:29 am

As others have said , the -900ER's will be ETOPS. They will also join the starliner in not having lei's installed. Which makes me think that Hawaii is not going to be a primary destination for them, at least in the near term.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 23):

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by not having lei's installed?

Also, as per your comment about not being used for Hawaii routes, see below:

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 19):
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 24):
I'm sorry, but what do you mean by not having lei's installed?

I think he means not putting that lei on the tail around the eskimo dude's face.
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 22):
That's nice dear, but that is this mythical 800ER you speak of?

Sorry love....meant 800ETOPS
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 24):
Also, as per your comment about not being used for Hawaii routes, see below:

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 19):

Didn't say they wouldn't be flown on Hawaii routes. I just don't believe that will be their primary use.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 25):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 24):I'm sorry, but what do you mean by not having lei's installed?I think he means not putting that lei on the tail around the eskimo dude's face.

But isn't there only a handful of 738s with the lei's actually installed? Would that really have anything to do with where they are primarily used? Pardon my ignorance.....

Quoting yeelep (Reply 27):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 24):Also, as per your comment about not being used for Hawaii routes, see below:Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 19):Didn't say they wouldn't be flown on Hawaii routes. I just don't believe that will be their primary use.

Aaaah...gotcha   Sorry for my misunderstanding.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 28):
But isn't there only a handful of 738s with the lei's actually installed? Would that really have anything to do with where they are primarily used? Pardon my ignorance.....

I'm not exactly sure how many 738s have the leis on them, but the primary reason they were put on was when AS introduced service to hawaii a few years back.
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 29):

Oooh. Did not know that. Thanks for the info
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting yeelep (Reply 23):
As others have said , the -900ER's will be ETOPS. They will also join the starliner in not having lei's installed.
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 28):
But isn't there only a handful of 738s with the lei's actually installed? Would that really have anything to do with where they are primarily used? Pardon my ignorance.....

Correct in that the 900ER ETOPS A/C will not have the lei installed. Currently all but 2 of the 800 ETOPS A/C have the lei installed.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
Any guesses on the routes they'll fly??

Took some logic thinking but found what appears to be the first scheduled revenue flight:
AS 606 from SEA to LAS. Departs SEA at 3:15 pm and arrives LAS at 5:32 pm.

Looks like the aircraft will turn in LAS back to SEA as AS 613 departing LAS at 6:25 pm and arriving SEA at 9:00 pm. Can tell by how many seats on the seat map.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:26 am

Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 31):
Correct in that the 900ER ETOPS A/C will not have the lei installed. Currently all but 2 of the 800 ETOPS A/C have the lei installed.

How can you install a sticker?  
Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 31):
Looks like the aircraft will turn in LAS back to SEA as AS 613 departing LAS at 6:25 pm and arriving SEA at 9:00 pm. Can tell by how many seats on the seat map.

When do they start on this route? I might need to make a quick LAS-SEA trip.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:33 am

Quoting yeelep (Reply 27):
Didn't say they wouldn't be flown on Hawaii routes. I just don't believe that will be their primary use.

While the -900ER will occasionally see Hawaii service, their main use will be transcon and midcon markets, along with high-density needs (the occasional ANCSEA, for example or even LAXSJD from time to time).
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:47 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 32):
When do they start on this route? I might need to make a quick LAS-SEA trip.

Oops, forgot to add the start date...November 13th.

[Edited 2012-09-17 01:48:55]
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 21):
The Pacific jetstream moves south in the winter...with strong westerly upper-level winds of up to 100+ knots. It will often park itself on a straight line between Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, bringing drenching tropical rains in the winter. This can add an hour or more to the flight time between Seattle and Hawaii.

Ah, the pineapple express, when this winter pattern takes hold, we gets buckets of rain for days on end, when the Arctic blasts meet up over the Northwest with the pineapple express is when we get freezing rain, warm rain on the top layer drops through colder air closer to the ground and creates a thick coating of ice over every outside surface.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 25):
the eskimo dude's

Eskimo Dude = Chester

Quoting chrisair (Reply 32):
How can you install a sticker?

First you get a super tall ladder, and a really big sticker of a lei, put the ladder against the side of the tail of the plane, climb the ladder, then put the sticker around Chesters neck, it makes it look like an eskimo went to Hawaii. I couldn't resist.   
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 28):
But isn't there only a handful of 738s with the lei's actually installed?
Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 31):
Currently all but 2 of the 800 ETOPS A/C have the lei installed.

There are currently 47 ETOPS -800's, all but N512AS (Spirit of Seattle) and N569AS (Starliner 75) have lei's installed.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 29):
I'm not exactly sure how many 738s have the leis on them, but the primary reason they were put on was when AS introduced service to hawaii a few years back.

Originally there was to only be a few planes with the lei's for promotion of the new service. We were told they were going to be removed within 6 months. Obviously minds were changed and now all ETOPS planes with standard livery have them.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 32):
How can you install a sticker?

First you get a super tall ladder, and a really big sticker of a lei, put the ladder against the side of the tail of the plane, climb the ladder, then put the sticker around Chesters neck, it makes it look like an eskimo went to Hawaii. I couldn't resist.   

Substitute lift truck for ladder and your'e right on.
 
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RE: AS 737-900ER's: When Do They Deliver?

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 34):
Oops, forgot to add the start date...November 13th.

Thanks. That flight still shows a regular 739 at least on Expertflyer. What's the code for a 737-900ER anyway?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):
First you get a super tall ladder, and a really big sticker of a lei, put the ladder against the side of the tail of the plane, climb the ladder, then put the sticker around Chesters neck, it makes it look like an eskimo went to Hawaii. I couldn't resist.   

Thanks wise guy.